Sorry Dots and Breadman, you beat me to it, lol
- ChicagoHope

No worries, i wish Yzerman was our GM, he is methodically building a nice team

Think the Johnson acquisition signaled the end of Suter, but agree with everything you said. Still like a trio of centers of Dach, Toews, and Johnson if it means Strome is gone.
- ChicagoHope

Depends on if Johnson is playing center. He has been bouncing back and forth with TB.

My hope is they don't rush reicel or borgstrom unless they amazing training camps let them start in Rockford along with Mitchell and beaudin.
- Scott1977

I don't believe Borgstrom will clear waivers so you might as well include him on the 23 man roster

He is already on his way out of his prime. That is what we have been trying to tell people. I hope the hell he isn't as bad as he was last year but he wasn't very good the year prior.
- Elbows15

I thought I read most analytical people believe at 30 is where the drop begins? So don’t we get at least 4 years before he starts to regress?

I get his last year sucked. Hopeful we will see a reverse trajectory..

So Pius Suter signed with the Wings, 2 years at $3.25 million. I can't blame the kid for wanting to get paid but I can see why the Hawks passed.
- DarthKane

Agreed. Far too much for 50 game sample size playing with Kane.

What are the opinions of today's moves here? I haven't finished fully formulating my thoughts on them all, I don't think.

Like in a vacuum where it's just about the players, I like the additions of McCabe and Johnson. Cap hit is high for the value of the latter.

Khaira will be interesting to watch because he's not as good as Kampf in transition with possession, but he's better at puck retrieval after dump-in. Neither can offense.

If Fleury decides to play, that's neat cause it'd be good for someone to mentor Lankinen. Need to watch out for workloads for each since Flower trailed off in the playoffs after workload finally caught up. If Flower doesn't play, not the end of the world.
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Losing Suter sucks but understand the number of games played factored into not wanting to pay too much too soon.
- L_B_R

The difference in QoC between Kampf and Khaira is pretty big, tho. He also has problems getting the puck to the other end to retrieve pucks

So Pius Suter signed with the Wings, 2 years at $3.25 million. I can't blame the kid for wanting to get paid but I can see why the Hawks passed.
- DarthKane

Just to clarify, The contract of Pius Suter with the Detroit Red Wings is worth 6.5M total for 2 years (2.75 and 3.75).

He played well but yeah, a little too much maybe.

Agreed. Far too much for 50 game sample size playing with Kane.
- SteveRain

The thing is of all the centers on this team Suter was the most effective with Cat and Kane. To me that's something. I'm assuming Johnson will fill that role, Dach will actually be on line 3

I thought I read most analytical people believe at 30 is where the drop begins? So don’t we get at least 4 years before he starts to regress?

I get his last year sucked. Hopeful we will see a reverse trajectory..
- SteveRain

Jones will be 27 at the of the season. He also wasn't very good the previous season.

I believe they think a decline/plateau begins at 23/24 for forwards and a couple years older for D-men. It doesn't mean a sharp decline, tho.

He is never going to live up to his contract cause even on his best days, he was never worth that amount.

I thought I read most analytical people believe at 30 is where the drop begins? So don’t we get at least 4 years before he starts to regress?

I get his last year sucked. Hopeful we will see a reverse trajectory..
- SteveRain

It'd be 3 years cause he turns 27 before the season starts. There's a plateau with minor regression that starts around then but the decline gets stepper after 30-33, depending on the position.

The issue is that Jones' floor lowered the last two seasons already so there's risk he's either declining more rapidly than normal or he won't reach back up to his best anyway because he's already older.

Honestly, Jones is so 5 days ago at this point to me lol. He's on the team, it's done, we'll have to see what happens. I hope he does extremely well and makes those of us doubting him look bad, honestly.

Someone said I was just being bitter analytics jerk about Jones somewhere else and I'm like I don't have anything to be bitter about lol? As a fan of the team I root for, I lose if the stat trends are right but I win if the trend is wrong. I'm rooting for the latter.

The thing is of all the centers on this team Suter was the most effective with Cat and Kane. To me that's something. I'm assuming Johnson will fill that role, Dach will actually be on line 3
- BetweenTheDots

If it was so easy, Kampf/Carpenter/Kurashev would have performed at the same rate. In Kurashev's case, he really didn't much time to find out whether he could or not. Strome certainly didn't last season.

Always enjoy people losing their poop over posts on Hockeybuzz...relax people.
- NamedSources

Before posting attacks, you should look at your post from earlier. Otherwise it makes you a hypocrite.

But you don't get it...you don't like anyone's opinion but your own....We get it...you like to be told you're right even against facts that tell you you're wrong. These pages are filled with knowledgeable people...you're not one of them. You don't have it and you're not good at faking it...in fact you don't know enough to fake it...you should probably just read these posts and have debate with yourself
- NamedSources

I’ve been reading this long enough to understand that anyone new on here that posts or anyone that has some knowledge on the game puts his input out there gets blasted by the same 5 or 6 people that just agree with each other. Usually you are actually not part of that group, I’ll throw that out there. There used to be more actual knowledgeable hockey posters on here...still some, wiz comes to mind. But go ahead and discuss how much you actually know about all these players with your 5 or 6 hockeybuzz forum besties. Or just look at the charts, whatever.

My fear with Boqvist are injuries.

You’re right, let’s see how this all plays out. Let’s hope Jones’ downward trending numbers turn themselves around in a new environment. And if MAF decides to play in Chicago that will certainly help. Johnson will improve the depth and the biggest thing is can Toews play a whole season and will a full year off nor impact him? I’m prepared to give them a chances even with all the questions. I’m surprised you are considering you were one of the biggest detractors when the hawks were winning cups.
- paulr

Championship window I’m all for going all in and exhausting resources to win as many as possible. I hate wasting chances when guys are healthy and team has a chance. To bank on that always being there isn’t a lock. Cubs are example A.

When not in the window I’m patient. Odd I know but I like these moves which mean they’ll all blow up in my face. Lol. I just think too much is made of picks. It’s a chance game.

Here we go
Toews
Kane
Beach
Olsen
K Hayes
McNeil
Danault
Teuvo
Hartman
Schmaltz
No pick
No pick
Joker
Boqvist
Dach
Reichel
Kid this year

I mean some are still nhl players but some were used to keep window open or used to gain assets at deadline….and some were dealt earlier for whatever reason

Again no lock at all 1sts become boba fide building blocks.

Alright here goes, ideally what I would like to see from the forward group. Flame away, this would be a very nice forward group IMO.

DeBrincat - Dach - Kane
Kubalik - Toews - Reichel
Hagel - Johnson - Kurashev
Hardman - Khaira - Entwistle

Extras: Carpenter and Gaudette

Borgstrom starts in Rockford. Move on from Connolly, if it means, he is buried in Rockford, so be it. The 4th line would be an absolute pain in the ass to play against. Carpenter can shuffle in and out for Khaira depending who is playing better. Also, no Strome, I deal him for a pick, for 3 million at his salary, can be done IMO rather easily. If Nylander is the sweetener to move de Haan, fine by me as well.
- ChicagoHope

Decent balance. I love the idea of a playmaker with Kubalik-Toews because they were at their best offensively with Kane in short bursts. Saad-Toews had similar issues where playmakers made them better (Hossa obvs, Schmaltz to a lesser degree). Reichel might need time in the AHL, though.

1st and 3rd are good on paper too. Kurashev might be a casualty of being on a non-waiver required contract, though. They have Borgstrom, Gaudette, and then possibly Nylander and/or Strome to figure out (I think the latter is traded but currently speaking). I don't care for Gaudette but I don't think they'd want to risk Borgstrom to waivers.

Same might be true for Hardman and Entwistle - I like the latter more than the former in general. Could be a good defensive, energy line though.

Well are
The pope at 3.25 x2
Kampf at 1.5 x 2

Fair contracts?

You think Stan told JC before he didn’t offer Kampf a deal?
Or did he pull a vegas on him and let him find out over Twitter?
- Abadseed

More like a Hammer / Q situation

You really don't wanna see a Boqvist chart. He was trending into some very good territory. TBF, some weren't as good as others but his top comp was prime Erik Karllsson. His sample size was smallish due to injuries, which are a legit concern.

And BTW. Lady B is both, also. She uses stats to back up her opinions.


Sorry.
- Elbows15

We can meet up for a game and I’ll
Buy your beers if Boqvist comes close to sniffing karlsson offensively. I don’t see that at all. Leddy was great at carrying the puck in…had speed…Boqvist to me didn’t stand out close to leddy.

And to others he’s a huge injury risk and h was man handled by Vegas. I can still see that game 4/5 play where he was smoked flat footed on an entry.

He’s gone. Hope he pans out.

No reason to be sorry.

The difference in QoC between Kampf and Khaira is pretty big, tho. He also has problems getting the puck to the other end to retrieve pucks
- Elbows15

For sure but part of that was JC playing Kampf above his role. He faced much lower QOC when he was paired with Carpenter vs playing 1/2C. I'd need to see Khaira against better players before making a real judgement on him.

Transition is worse for Khaira but he was good at exits at least. He's not my first choice obvs - I'd have rather seen what Entwistle or someone like that could do.

Sorry Dots and Breadman, you beat me to it, lol
- ChicagoHope

It's all good. I'm usually the late one to saying things.

Decent balance. I think the idea of a playmaker with Kubalik-Toews because they were at their best offensively with Kane in short bursts. Saad-Toews had similar issues where playmakers made them better (Hossa obvs, Schmaltz to a lesser degree). Reichel might need time in the AHL, though.

1st and 3rd are good on paper too. Kurashev might be a casualty of being on a non-waiver required contract, though. They have Borgstrom, Gaudette, and then possibly Nylander and/or Strome to figure out (I think the latter is traded but currently speaking). I don't care for Gaudette but I don't think they'd want to risk Borgstrom to waivers.

Same might be true for Hardman and Entwistle - I like the latter more than the former in general. Could be a good defensive, energy line though.
- L_B_R

All good points, thanks for looking at it.

But its not a second round pick.
- NamedSources

Historically it is.

It'd be 3 years cause he turns 27 before the season starts. There's a plateau with minor regression that starts around then but the decline gets stepper after 30-33, depending on the position.

The issue is that Jones' floor lowered the last two seasons already so there's risk he's either declining more rapidly than normal or he won't reach back up to his best anyway because he's already older.

Honestly, Jones is so 5 days ago at this point to me lol. He's on the team, it's done, we'll have to see what happens. I hope he does extremely well and makes those of us doubting him look bad, honestly.

Someone said I was just being bitter analytics jerk about Jones somewhere else and I'm like I don't have anything to be bitter about lol? As a fan of the team I root for, I lose if the stat trends are right but I win if the trend is wrong. I'm rooting for the latter.
- L_B_R

This makes sense. So theoretically if he has a bounce back year would that flip his chart pointing upwards and stop an earlier regression?

Think if that’s the case that’s where the great organizations have scouts who can see the tools but need the consistency to pan out. Ie….new team, etc.

Same here. I hope he does well. I think he will.

Decent balance. I love the idea of a playmaker with Kubalik-Toews because they were at their best offensively with Kane in short bursts. Saad-Toews had similar issues where playmakers made them better (Hossa obvs, Schmaltz to a lesser degree). Reichel might need time in the AHL, though.

1st and 3rd are good on paper too. Kurashev might be a casualty of being on a non-waiver required contract, though. They have Borgstrom, Gaudette, and then possibly Nylander and/or Strome to figure out (I think the latter is traded but currently speaking). I don't care for Gaudette but I don't think they'd want to risk Borgstrom to waivers.

Same might be true for Hardman and Entwistle - I like the latter more than the former in general. Could be a good defensive, energy line though.
- L_B_R

Khaira isn't a center.

I’ve been reading this long enough to understand that anyone new on here that posts or anyone that has some knowledge on the game puts his input out there gets blasted by the same 5 or 6 people that just agree with each other. Usually you are actually not part of that group, I’ll throw that out there. There used to be more actual knowledgeable hockey posters on here...still some, wiz comes to mind. But go ahead and discuss how much you actually know about all these players with your 5 or 6 hockeybuzz forum besties. Or just look at the charts, whatever.
- rwilliams88

You do realize I was disagreeing with Elbows and have been since this weekend...and you keep throwing out the besties term...yet your still here. Now do you do want to keep posting these garbage posts or do you want to make your point without calling people idiots and tools...your move sparky

@frank_seravalli

So, after Kuemper trade to #Avs, here is goalie carousel as it slows on Day 1 of #SigningSeason:

#Sabres have zero #NHL goalies.
#Blackhawks looking should Fleury not report.
#Oilers were in on Kuemper, so they want to improve.
#Yotes need partner for Hutton, unless it's Korenar

What are some of the other moves still to come? Who is available?

UFAs - Devan Dubnyk, Tuukka Rask (inj), Henrik Lundqvist Mending heart, Domingue, Dell, Lyon, Pickard.

Trade - Georgiev (requested trade), Koskinen, Korpisalo is also available. Also crowded crease in DAL.