We can meet up for a game and I’ll
Buy your beers if Boqvist comes close to sniffing karlsson offensively. I don’t see that at all. Leddy was great at carrying the puck in…had speed…Boqvist to me didn’t stand out close to leddy.

And to others he’s a huge injury risk and h was man handled by Vegas. I can still see that game 4/5 play where he was smoked flat footed on an entry.

He’s gone. Hope he pans out.

No reason to be sorry.
- SteveRain

Sorry was for calling LBR a he initially in my post.

For sure but part of that was JC playing Kampf above his role. He faced much lower QOC when he was paired with Carpenter vs playing 1/2C. I'd need to see Khaira against better players before making a real judgement on him.

Transition is worse for Khaira but he was good at exits at least. He's not my first choice obvs - I'd have rather seen what Entwistle or someone like that could do.
- L_B_R

I can save you time and pain. He is not good.

This makes sense. So theoretically if he has a bounce back year would that flip his chart pointing upwards and stop an earlier regression?

Think if that’s the case that’s where the great organizations have scouts who can see the tools but need the consistency to pan out. Ie….new team, etc.

Same here. I hope he does well. I think he will.
- SteveRain

The models that chart is based on actually already predicts Jones will be better than last year - just not back to his very best. The normal minor decline was there (like 0.1 GSVA which is normal) but it never was saying he's fall off a cliff which was really the point of contention imo.

It'll def be interesting to see if the model (or more than cause almost all had similar trends for him) under predicted the possible jump back up. It's possible - it's about historical data and probability, but it's not a guarantee. Let's hope the Hawks are good at projections of that magnitude. Idk if it's possible to hit his contract value but he could still be good for the team if the bump is higher than predicted.

Khaira isn't a center.
- Elbows15

Elbows, he has played center and left wing for Edmonton. Natural left wing, shift Entwistle to center then. Still like that as a 4th line. Big bodies, not afraid to hit you either.

We can meet up for a game and I’ll
Buy your beers if Boqvist comes close to sniffing karlsson offensively. I don’t see that at all. Leddy was great at carrying the puck in…had speed…Boqvist to me didn’t stand out close to leddy.

And to others he’s a huge injury risk and h was man handled by Vegas. I can still see that game 4/5 play where he was smoked flat footed on an entry.

He’s gone. Hope he pans out.

No reason to be sorry.
- SteveRain

Boqvist was on close to PPG pace when he came back from COVID. The whole team was manhandled by Vegas. Every one of them

I would pay money to see Pius in the Detroit scrimmages. Okay, in all seriousness, sucks to lose him, but that cap hit is a bit steep. It's a shame they couldn't at least have dealt his rights, but I'm guessing they wanted all possible options available leading into today. Otherwise, they're probably getting a 4th for the rights at best at this late stage. The front office flow chart/spreadsheet must look interesting for this summer.

Still haven't signed Nylander or Hagel. I get that there isn't any room under the cap just yet, and they need to move some money out in order to comfortably sign them.

So does De Haan get traded or bought out?

And did anybody see this buyout calculation for Strome? https://www.capfriendly.c...t-calculator/dylan-strome

Elbows, he has played center and left wing for Edmonton. Natural left wing, shift Entwistle to center then. Still like that as a 4th line. Big bodies, not afraid to hit you either.
- ChicagoHope

Fine. He shouldn't play center then. He wasn't playing much center. Look at his FO totals. He might have a bit last season for some reason but his FO totals aren't that of a player who plays center.

@frank_seravalli

So, after Kuemper trade to #Avs, here is goalie carousel as it slows on Day 1 of #SigningSeason:

#Sabres have zero #NHL goalies.
#Blackhawks looking should Fleury not report.
#Oilers were in on Kuemper, so they want to improve.
#Yotes need partner for Hutton, unless it's Korenar

What are some of the other moves still to come? Who is available?

UFAs - Devan Dubnyk, Tuukka Rask (inj), Henrik Lundqvist Mending heart, Domingue, Dell, Lyon, Pickard.

Trade - Georgiev (requested trade), Koskinen, Korpisalo is also available. Also crowded crease in DAL.
- Theo Fox

Fleury better not be Richarding around. poop or get off the pot.

Coyotes trade Kuemper to the Avalanche for Timmins + 2022 1st + conditional 2024 3rd. Makes you think if Kuemper can net a 1st, Fleury certainly could.

Fleury better not be Richarding around. poop or get off the pot.
- Diamondhands

Some are attributing this "holdout" to his agent Allan Walsh and a perceived vendetta against the Hawks and generally being a hard-to-deal with agent but I also believe in what Fleury is saying in that he simply doesn't want to uproot his family who loves Vegas.

My fear with Boqvist are injuries.

You’re right, let’s see how this all plays out. Let’s hope Jones’ downward trending numbers turn themselves around in a new environment. And if MAF decides to play in Chicago that will certainly help. Johnson will improve the depth and the biggest thing is can Toews play a whole season and will a full year off nor impact him? I’m prepared to give them a chances even with all the questions. I’m surprised you are considering you were one of the biggest detractors when the hawks were winning cups.
- paulr

How many concussions has Boqvist had already? He is a very decent talent but brittle. And brittle is a big problem when baggage smashers like Tommy Williams, Josh Anderson, Ovi, Clutterbuck, Martinook, Bennett, Killorn etc. start taking runs at small, soft Dmen every night. But thats the Eastern Conference.

I don't care what his current improving charts say, he will need to be sheltered to maintain his health. Once he starts to display offensive prowess, he will be a target. I wish the kid good health but I anticipate the worst.

Fine. He shouldn't play center then. He wasn't playing much center. Look at his FO totals. He might have a bit last season for some reason but his FO totals aren't that of a player who plays center.
- Elbows15

Not arguing with you at all, maybe the Hawks’ plan is for him on the wing. Maybe, the Hawks see Entwistle as Kamph’s replacement. I do know this, I really like a 4th line with some snarl, and that is why I suggested the 4th line that I did. I do appreciate any suggestions to the lineup I proposed. Not going to get upset with opinions.

Coyotes trade Kuemper to the Avalanche for Timmins + 2022 1st + conditional 2024 3rd. Makes you think if Kuemper can net a 1st, Fleury certainly could.
- Theo Fox

Theo say fleury says I'm not playing for the hawks then what is next then?

Some are attributing this "holdout" to his agent Allan Walsh and a perceived vendetta against the Hawks and generally being a hard-to-deal with agent but I also believe in what Fleury is saying in that he simply doesn't want to uproot his family who loves Vegas.
- Theo Fox

Then the Hawks get Jarry back from Pittsburgh, Hawks then can develop 2 young goalies in Lankinen and Jarry.

Alright here goes, ideally what I would like to see from the forward group. Flame away, this would be a very nice forward group IMO.

DeBrincat - Dach - Kane
Kubalik - Toews - Reichel
Hagel - Johnson - Kurashev
Hardman - Khaira - Entwistle

Extras: Carpenter and Gaudette

Borgstrom starts in Rockford. Move on from Connolly, if it means, he is buried in Rockford, so be it. The 4th line would be an absolute pain in the ass to play against. Carpenter can shuffle in and out for Khaira depending who is playing better. Also, no Strome, I deal him for a pick, for 3 million at his salary, can be done IMO rather easily. If Nylander is the sweetener to move de Haan, fine by me as well.
- ChicagoHope

Except for the cap space I see no way Entwistle and Reichel are better than Connolly.

The models that chart is based on actually already predicts Jones will be better than last year - just not back to his very best. The normal minor decline was there (like 0.1 GSVA which is normal) but it never was saying he's fall off a cliff which was really the point of contention imo.

It'll def be interesting to see if the model (or more than cause almost all had similar trends for him) under predicted the possible jump back up. It's possible - it's about historical data and probability, but it's not a guarantee. Let's hope the Hawks are good at projections of that magnitude. Idk if it's possible to hit his contract value but he could still be good for the team if the bump is higher than predicted.
- L_B_R

Just curious, doesn't it take a team to play defense? Both Columbus and Chicago were at the bottom of the league at shots against and both teams had no name starters in net. You had the fall out in Columbus and it was apparent our team didn't know how to protect the front of the net. All that being said isn't it difficult or a fair scale to accurately pin an individual player statistically with all these moving parts?

Except for the cap space I see no way Entwistle and Reichel are better than Connolly.
- rpeters01

Fair, thanks. Then Connolly needs to play in the Top 9, he is wasted on the 4th line IMO.

Boqvist was on close to PPG pace when he came back from COVID. The whole team was manhandled by Vegas. Every one of them
- Elbows15

That may be the case but very small sample size.

As rick j pointed out below, which now is above, he’s brittle. He’s going to be beaten to a pulp. Doesn’t have the size or mass to handle the eastern conference and heavy teams.

Fine about rest of team vs Vegas but for a kid who was billed as a future top pair….forget the physical aspect he was exposed. In all facets. Skating. Decision making. May have some raw tools but I’m not worried about Boqvist haunting this team Down the road.

That may be the case but very small sample size.

As rick j pointed out below, which now is above, he’s brittle. He’s going to be beaten to a pulp. Doesn’t have the size or mass to handle the eastern conference and heavy teams.

Fine about rest of team vs Vegas but for a kid who was billed as a future top pair….forget the physical aspect he was exposed. In all facets. Skating. Decision making. May have some raw tools but I’m not worried about Boqvist haunting this team Down the road.
- SteveRain

IF he stays healthy, he's going to be really really good

Fair, thanks. Then Connolly needs to play in the Top 9, he is wasted on the 4th line IMO.
- ChicagoHope

Reichel and Entwistle need to play in Rockford. Stan is icing a team of men next year, not boys. Anybody who gets pushed around will not play. That goes for Strome and Nylander also.

Some are attributing this "holdout" to his agent Allan Walsh and a perceived vendetta against the Hawks and generally being a hard-to-deal with agent but I also believe in what Fleury is saying in that he simply doesn't want to uproot his family who loves Vegas.
- Theo Fox

Yeah, Walsh seems like a drama king, stirring up issues (drawing of Fleury with knives in his back, anyone?) that others later say happened differently. Wonder what his beef with Hawks is?

You do realize I was disagreeing with Elbows and have been since this weekend...and you keep throwing out the besties term...yet your still here. Now do you do want to keep posting these garbage posts or do you want to make your point without calling people idiots and tools...your move sparky
- NamedSources

That’s why I specifically said you’re usually not part of that tandem that just agrees with each other. There’s a couple people here that I’ve seen run some people with some very good insight and that I respected their opinions. Again, you usually aren’t one of them but if you can’t see that then sorry, but you’re ignorant to the fact. Enjoy your night yeah “sparky”

Some are attributing this "holdout" to his agent Allan Walsh and a perceived vendetta against the Hawks and generally being a hard-to-deal with agent but I also believe in what Fleury is saying in that he simply doesn't want to uproot his family who loves Vegas.
- Theo Fox

His agent is an ass bag. That’s 1 thing everyone e can agree on.

Think it’s 3 options

Come here….low risk high reward for hawks
OR
Say you’re not playing but see if he would go elsewhere and deal him mid season if market isn’t there now
OR
Walk away from 7 million

If I were a player I’d sign with anyone on this board to be my agent before Walsh. Guy nukes bridges and takes zero accountability when his players get dealt. All on the team(s)

Yeah, Walsh seems like a drama king, stirring up issues (drawing of Fleury with knives in his back, anyone?) that others later say happened differently. Wonder what his beef with Hawks is?
- pdx2ord

Regrets not listing them on his no trade clause? I think it's odd. I hear he's such a good & supportive player. Could be a great mentor to Lank.

Just curious, doesn't it take a team to play defense? Both Columbus and Chicago were at the bottom of the league at shots against and both teams had no name starters in net. You had the fall out in Columbus and it was apparent our team didn't know how to protect the front of the net. All that being said isn't it difficult or a fair scale to accurately pin an individual player statistically with all these moving parts?
- BetweenTheDots

Ofc but most models factor in data relative to teammates to counteract this. Jones was the only top-4 d-men in the Columbus has saw his numbers fall two years in a row to such extreme in most models, for example - Werenski and Savard saw some small decline year-over-year but not like Jones. That doesn't change of scenery can't be beneficial - different players fit systems differently.

Personally don't think the Hawks' current system will necessarily bring the best out in any defender, much less one looking to rebound, but that's another discussion lol.