Devin dubynk seems likely. Don’t see the king coming where. Anyone else?
- SteveRain

The only other one I can think of in this category is Holtby but he's with the Stars now.

If Lundqvist is healthy and it's between him and Dubnyk, sign the King.

Wise man. I should try that.

I agree and I think when you have holes because you traded away previous assets you either sign veterans to band aid it (if you have cap room) or else you play kids earlier.

Hawks seemed to not have cap room and not have previous draft classes holding spots while younger kids progressed.

I don’t know…more I think about it more I think player development in ahl and draft classes is a fair thing to point as a substantial blemish on bowman s resume.

Google hawks 1st round picks. Check out Wikipedia list starting with toews. It’s rough.
- SteveRain

Very true. The Hawks have not drafted well. I think Bowman or his scouting staff got too cute drafting off the board all the time. Trying to constantly hit home runs on long shots. Like Rico I was really hoping the hawks had drafted Dobson instead of Boqvist. While Boqvist’s ceiling may be higher i think Dobson was the safe pick

The thing with Fleury is, That it could be 1 year in Chicago (or a half year then off to another new team), then he hits Free Agency and it's off to another location, all which requires him to be away from his family all year or pick up and move them multiple times

Does an extension with the Hawks with a NMC where he knows he'll be playing here for a few years convince him to report?

Or, Do the Hawks allow him to talk to other teams that may offer that extension, and the Hawks are compensated by that new team for their trouble (or some retention)

He's just in a spot where he could be in 4 cities within 12 months and it just isn't worth the hassle Vegas > Chicago > TDL Team > FA 2022
- TheGame316

That's actually a good way to detail out why this is a tough decision for Fleury given his reasoning to not uproot his family.

(referring to your whole post, not just the bolded part but the itinerary is what wouldn't be attractive to him)

@FriedgeHNIC

TOR has indicated it is protecting its remaining cap space — approximately $3.5M — for a forward, likely a winger for the top six. Could be someone remaining in free agency, or from another team needing cap relief. We will see where this goes. Stay tuned.


Strome's a great winger, Dubas!!
- pdx2ord

Yeah, a top 6 winger is exactly what they need

Curious LBR, do you get involved in prospect evaluations and if so how do you find the availability of fancy stats for these kids at the Jr level? ..... I know there are some from just listening to pregame interviews with a few coaches. They'll mention entry/exit numbers as well as corsi and shot shares.

Are fancies available to you and is there availability improving?
- Mr Ricochet

Never mind. Nice work here on 1st rd pick Nolan Allan. https://www.secondcityhoc...-scouting-report-analysis

Torts said Seth needed surgery at the end of the season? Anyone know what it was?

No way around it, the fancies/charts show Boqvist on about the same path as a young Karlsson. ... I'm not knocking it just pointing it out. Of course Rundblad had very good fancies too, and my God that kid could not skate, a near ankle bender, so nothing is certain.
- Mr Ricochet

You know what fancy charts and stats I like Mr.R? Only a couple - Team Win/Loss and Goals For and Against. Nothing else much matters in hockey.

I wish Boqvist the best on a long career but I'm far away from comparing him to a 2 time Norris winner. And I don't think he was anywhere close to busting out as a standout #1 Dman on the Hawks blueline.

A guy who I don’t have a whole lot of respect for, Brian Burke has an interesting take. Analytics don’t tell you if a guy is willing to put his face in front of a slap shot. His way of saying that analytics need to be backed up with your eyes, and vice versa. The great thing about analytics is enough data will show trends and is almost always accurate. The bad thing is analytics don’t allow for new team, teammates coaches etc that may affect the performance for a player. The other bad thing about analytics (for some people) is it’s hard to understand.

Because of that I’m willing to put analytics aside and see if a new environment allows Jones to buck the trend his stats show he’s on.
- paulr

I think there is a lot of love hate for some of fans concerning fancy stats. The biggest problem is it sure can be confusing but basic Corsi, shot share, expected goals for and against, zone starts anyone can grasp if they know where to find them, and that's another problem, knowing where to find the fancies.

Then you see a Leddy or a Rundblad play and the fancies say they're good and your eye says, what??? Then some people walk away from them..... Or they watch the Jackets and the fancies say Jones is in the bottom TWO percent of Dmen and they say, what???

But the fancies are science man, they are the numbers/facts/data but the eye puts them into context for me. In the modern game you can't have one without the other to get a really fair understanding of a player.

The only other one I can think of in this category is Holtby but he's with the Stars now.

If Lundqvist is healthy and it's between him and Dubnyk, sign the King.
- Theo Fox

Craig Anderson signs with Buffalo so he's not an option either. I thought I read somewhere that he was contemplating retirement but good to see him keep on trucking.

Didn't Seattle select goalie Vanecek from WSH in the expansion draft? They traded him back to the Caps for a 2nd rounder. Didn't think that was kosher.

Craig Anderson signs with Buffalo so he's not an option either. I thought I read somewhere that he was contemplating retirement but good to see him keep on trucking.
- Theo Fox

What's up with Tuukka Rask?

Didn't Seattle select goalie Vanecek from WSH in the expansion draft? They traded him back to the Caps for a 2nd rounder. Didn't think that was kosher.
- boilermaker100

His name is not Price. Bettman is a joke!

You know what fancy charts and stats I like Mr.R? Only a couple - Team Win/Loss and Goals For and Against. Nothing else much matters in hockey.

I wish Boqvist the best on a long career but I'm far away from comparing him to a 2 time Norris winner. And I don't think he was anywhere close to busting out as a standout #1 Dman on the Hawks blueline.
- RickJ

Context. man, context. No matter what you use if you're dug in on anything, speak/evaluate with absolute certainty you won't hit enough times on players to keep your job.

Usually the best answers are the most simple, and that's wins and losses. Good overseers can tell you why. It's as much art as it is science to guys who put together NHL squads.

What's up with Tuukka Rask?
- powerenforcer

Surgery and wasn't positive he wanted to play anymore....... Think his return date was something like November.

See that list I left for you?

I agree but I think it’s fair to question the organizations ability to develop 1st round picks lately. Jury still out on some but man…..lots of misses and guys being dealt early.

I get draft position during the hey day….but it may be time to reevaluate hockey ops and scouts who are pushing for these guys. Hawks have done pretty well in later rounds which is nice but 1sts have to hit when you have and lately….not so much. Part of the reason I wasn’t bent out of shape to deal a few and if they do make the playoffs that Jones trade gets hopefully easier for others to absorb as that pick will be land in the high teens low 20s
- SteveRain

The undersized guys have been the ones not to develop. You can argue Boqvist was used to get another player before his development was complete. Jones is not the kind of player Joki was traded for, Nylander, somebody else's failed development. We still have Dach and Reichel.

Surgery and wasn't positive he wanted to play anymore....... Think his return date was something like November.
- Mr Ricochet

Thanks for the info.

But you don't get it...you don't like anyone's opinion but your own....We get it...you like to be told you're right even against facts that tell you you're wrong. These pages are filled with knowledgeable people...you're not one of them. You don't have it and you're not good at faking it...in fact you don't know enough to fake it...you should probably just read these posts and have debate with yourself
- NamedSources

Feels like old times good to see some things never change

Torts said Seth needed surgery at the end of the season? Anyone know what it was?
- BetweenTheDots

Torts also said he should be the "Captain" which he can make him after
game 3.

Didn't Seattle select goalie Vanecek from WSH in the expansion draft? They traded him back to the Caps for a 2nd rounder. Didn't think that was kosher.
- boilermaker100

I thought the only rule was you couldn’t pick a player then retain salary and send him back to the original team

so if they can jettison Dehaan and Strome......I'll be very excited.

Not holding out much hope there is a taker for Connolly.....or maybe even Carpenter.

Side note.....very excited Zadorov is gone....may have to have a few adult cocktails to celebrate and can't wait for flames fans to melt down when he's getting torched.

What's up with Tuukka Rask?
- powerenforcer

Rask was hurt won’t available till later in the season

Craig Anderson signs with Buffalo so he's not an option either. I thought I read somewhere that he was contemplating retirement but good to see him keep on trucking.
- Theo Fox

Sabres just signed Aaron Dell so that's two goalies inked in the last hour.

Linus Ullmark was originally asking for $6M x 6 and instead got a $5M x 4 from the Bruins. That original ask was Crawford territory.

What's up with Tuukka Rask?
- powerenforcer

Others answered your question but forgot about Rask also being that veteran category like Fleury, Lundqvist, Dubnyk, and Holtby.

Sabres just signed Aaron Dell so that's two goalies inked in the last hour.

Linus Ullmark was originally asking for $6M x 6 and instead got a $5M x 4 from the Bruins. That original ask was Crawford territory.
- Theo Fox

If Fleury retires the Hawks will have 2 choices for a 2nd goalie - Subban or trade.

If Fleury retires the Hawks will have 2 choices for a 2nd goalie - Subban or trade.
- DarthKane

I like Subban.