Which players "coming off the books" gives us 21M?

If you are including McAvoy and Bergeron ... don't. If Bergeron comes back for a bit less that more than offset by the raise McAvoy will get.
- Nasty_Duck

Would you prefer it if we just said the Bruins will have 21 million in cap space to resign Bergeron & McAvoy and whatever is left over can be used to help address other needs? This is all semantics.

Good luck to Ullmark truly...whenever he's not playing my horrendous team. I have always really liked him as both a quality human being and a solid to very good goaltender at times. He missed a lot of games to injury with us but if he can stay healthy with you he should help you guys win a lot of games surrounded by a better team. No love for your franchise in this corner but no hate either. Wishing Ullmark nothing but success, he dealt with some hard years here and was nothing but a super positive person and a good goaltender for a terrible team.

We will miss Linus the Pinus

Would you prefer it if we just said the Bruins will have 21 million in cap space to resign Bergeron & McAvoy and whatever is left over can be used to help address other needs? This is all semantics.
- RickJames77

Saying it one way is misleading. The other - less so since we won't actually have 21M to go shopping with to improve the team.

DeBrusk 3.7 - but he's an RFA. So re-sign (ugh) or trade. unless it's purely for picks, it's not gonna be 3.7
Three other fowards adding up to 2.3
And Zorbril at .75

It's not really a lot IMO.

Saying it one way is misleading. The other - less so since we won't actually have 21M to go shopping with to improve the team.

DeBrusk 3.7 - but he's an RFA. So re-sign (ugh) or trade. unless it's purely for picks, it's not gonna be 3.7
Three other fowards adding up to 2.3
And Zorbril at .75

It's not really a lot IMO.
- Nasty_Duck

How is it misleading? Capfriendly does their calculations based on contracts currently in place for next season. That total is a hair over $60M which leaves $21M to do what you want. The assumption is that both Bergy and McAvoy will be negotiated before the end of this season so that number would then change. If you think Bergy is going to be looking for big money you really haven't been following who he is. I expect repeated one year deals similar to Chara in his out years. Bergy isn't going anywhere and is going to sign a contract that works best for the Bruins to build/keep a team.

How is it misleading? Capfriendly does their calculations based on contracts currently in place for next season. That total is a hair over $60M which leaves $21M to do what you want. The assumption is that both Bergy and McAvoy will be negotiated before the end of this season so that number would then change. If you think Bergy is going to be looking for big money you really haven't been following who he is. I expect repeated one year deals similar to Chara in his out years. Bergy isn't going anywhere and is going to sign a contract that works best for the Bruins to build/keep a team.
- bluemoon737

How much per year do you honestly think Bergy will sign for?

How much per year do you honestly think Bergy will sign for?
- Nasty_Duck

No idea but suspect it will be incentive laden.

No idea but suspect it will be incentive laden.
- bluemoon737

Consider he's making 7+ now, and most 1st line C have signed deals over 9+M, and players like JT are making 11M.

Based on Bergeron's performance and his chemistry with the "perfection line" what is his worth?

Take a guess - else why comment on how much money might be available next year.

Consider he's making 7+ now, and most 1st line C have signed deals over 9+M, and players like JT are making 11M.

Based on Bergeron's performance and his chemistry with the "perfection line" what is his worth?

Take a guess - else why comment on how much money might be available next year.
- Nasty_Duck

Yes, and wingers of Pasta's status make will into 8 figures but that's not what he was paid. That is not the Bruin way. Of course Bergy could easily make north of $10M. Spreading the wealth is the Bruins philosophy and the players buy into that. It is the culture that has been created here not only by management but by the team leadership as well. The one unknown is we have no idea how much longer Bergy even wants to play. That is why suspect it would likely be repeated incentive laden one year deals that are team friendly. Actual value for each (after incentives which will likely be reached...it is Bergy after all) will likely be in the $4M-$5M range. Just my guess. Of course he could have a clear cut plan to play x number of more years in which case that WILL be the contract. Even then, I would not expect more than about $4M-$5M per. Not that he's not worth more (obviously he is) just that those numbers help the team.

Of course I could be completely out to lunch and he could sign a 3 year $28M deal...

Yes, and wingers of Pasta's status make will into 8 figures but that's not what he was paid. That is not the Bruin way. Of course Bergy could easily make north of $10M. Spreading the wealth is the Bruins philosophy and the players buy into that. It is the culture that has been created here not only by management but by the team leadership as well. The one unknown is we have no idea how much longer Bergy even wants to play. That is why suspect it would likely be repeated incentive laden one year deals that are team friendly. Actual value for each (after incentives which will likely be reached...it is Bergy after all) will likely be in the $4M-$5M range. Just my guess. Of course he could have a clear cut plan to play x number of more years in which case that WILL be the contract. Even then, I would not expect more than about $4M-$5M per. Not that he's not worth more (obviously he is) just that those numbers help the team.

Of course I could be completely out to lunch and he could sign a 3 year $28M deal...
- bluemoon737

I'd say you are quite short with 4-5M. He's way more effective now than most of the 35+ contracts you might try to compare him to.

I'm not suggesting he will ask for what the open market would pay for him. But 7M/year is the minimum, and that's considering a "home-town" discount.

In any event, after paying Bergy (or his replacement) and giving a new deal to McAvoy (don't see less than 7-8M/year) Bruins won't have nearly as much wiggle room as some are suggesting.

I'd say you are quite short with 4-5M. He's way more effective now than most of the 35+ contracts you might try to compare him to.

I'm not suggesting he will ask for what the open market would pay for him. But 7M/year is the minimum, and that's considering a "home-town" discount.

In any event, after paying Bergy (or his replacement) and giving a new deal to McAvoy (don't see less than 7-8M/year) Bruins won't have nearly as much wiggle room as some are suggesting.
- Nasty_Duck

What I think is the total currently allotted to Bergy and McAvoy will be very close to the same, only proportioned differently. Unless of course McAvoy has a strong desire to play on the island (which may be the case) in which case we could see him go to arbitration and cost the Bruins more than they plan. The Bruins are never going to win a bidding war for any player, again, not their way...

Ritchie to the Leafs.

Ritchie to the Leafs.
- RickJames77

Is that an RJ-4 ?

Is that an RJ-4 ?
- Nasty_Duck

Ahjay-4

I’m fine with not resigning him. I don’t think he’s what our bottom 6 needed. What do you think?

Ahjay-4

I’m fine with not resigning him. I don’t think he’s what our bottom 6 needed. What do you think?
- RickJames77

He provided a physical presence the Bruins needed. Was also doing well on the PP - don't know why he was removed.

Not sure someone like Foligno can fill that spot - and he costs even more.

Guess we'll know if Bruins made a mistake when we see how much he eventually signs for. If it's ~ 2M ...

The players the bruins signed are good players but did Sweeney improve this team that is suppose to be going for it ? Their defense that every year he talks about the need for big strong physical defensemen got easier to play against. He would have had a nice 3rd line of Foligno-haula- Coyle when you figured your top 2 lines were set . Now no Krecji so that’s out. Ritchie played well and could have been at least a 4th line tough guy who could play. Now Nosek is there and he is no tough guy. Kuraly was about the same. Then he signs Ullmark to a 20 million dollar contract and says Rask is still an option. Really , so what is Rask going to sign for peanuts. And of course he moves on from lots of players but none of his great 2015 1st rounders. 7 years later and Senysen ( whatever) , Zboril and the stud Debrusk are still signed.

So let’s review is the goaltending better. Big question mark. Are Fobert and Reilly harder to play against then Miller and Lauzon. Are the forwards better Haula, foligno, Nosek or Kreci, Kuraly, Ritchie . One thing for sure they WERE way tougher. no more Miller, lauzon, Ritchie, JT. Sweeney better have something cooking because to me I don’t see the big improvement with the money spent.

He provided a physical presence the Bruins needed. Was also doing well on the PP - don't know why he was removed.

Not sure someone like Foligno can fill that spot - and he costs even more.

Guess we'll know if Bruins made a mistake when we see how much he eventually signs for. If it's ~ 2M ...

- Nasty_Duck

It looks like 2 years for an AAV of 2.5 million.

Hullo gentlemen.

Was Coyle suffering from an injury last season?

Hullo gentlemen.

Was Coyle suffering from an injury last season?
- Wildschwein

He was apparently suffering through a pretty bad injury.

He was apparently suffering through a pretty bad injury.
- RickJames77

Then he should not have played 51 games. Is that on him? Or Bruins trainers?

If the Bruins knew Krejci was leaving. They should have hit up San Jose to see what the ask was for Hertl. Replace the Czech with a younger Czech.

He has been very solid over the last few years and is winning face offs at 55%. Pipe dream now.

The players the bruins signed are good players but did Sweeney improve this team that is suppose to be going for it ? Their defense that every year he talks about the need for big strong physical defensemen got easier to play against. He would have had a nice 3rd line of Foligno-haula- Coyle when you figured your top 2 lines were set . Now no Krecji so that’s out. Ritchie played well and could have been at least a 4th line tough guy who could play. Now Nosek is there and he is no tough guy. Kuraly was about the same. Then he signs Ullmark to a 20 million dollar contract and says Rask is still an option. Really , so what is Rask going to sign for peanuts. And of course he moves on from lots of players but none of his great 2015 1st rounders. 7 years later and Senysen ( whatever) , Zboril and the stud Debrusk are still signed.

So let’s review is the goaltending better. Big question mark. Are Fobert and Reilly harder to play against then Miller and Lauzon. Are the forwards better Haula, foligno, Nosek or Kreci, Kuraly, Ritchie . One thing for sure they WERE way tougher. no more Miller, lauzon, Ritchie, JT. Sweeney better have something cooking because to me I don’t see the big improvement with the money spent.
- johnnypie

Hard to count Miller - as he was injured more often than not.
And Forbert at 6'4 219lbs is more than a replacement for Lauzon.

But I do agree about those 2015 draft picks. Sweeney is hanging onto them as though his career depended on it.

He was apparently suffering through a pretty bad injury.
- RickJames77

Gotcha.

Thank you.

It looks like 2 years for an AAV of 2.5 million.
- RickJames77

And Bruins fans balked because they were worried it would be closer to $4M.

Did they even try to sign him?

Ritchie to the Leafs.
- RickJames77

Yep, they picked up both of our discarded RFAs...

Then he should not have played 51 games. Is that on him? Or Bruins trainers?
- Nasty_Duck

I don’t know? 🤷🏻‍♂️