First, the Flyers may try to make Frost a center, but he is a lot like Giroux, and will play his best hockey of he gets moved to wing. The Flyers don't have a 3C on the roster and after they sign Hart and Sanheim they will have about $2.5M left. Remember that two forwards that will be sent to LV are being counted towards the cap now. They need to use ~ $2M to sign a vet in this role so Laughton can go back to being a 3/4 W where he is effective.
- hockeyal

Realistically only one forward on that list that is currently being counted. They also only have 5 defenseman being counted although you can count Morin, who is listed as a forward. The Flyers don't have the 2M to spend on a center. Your cap accounting is off. After Sanheim and Hart and with carrying an extra forward and an extra defenseman, they will have somewhere around 1M in cap space. Which you need to keep for injuries.

If a player doesn't have a good hockey IQ, that will be exposed at the AHL level. Myers was on track the entire time and was raved about by both the organization and outside sources as a promising NHL prospect. There was no talk of a hockey IQ issue. NHL history is full of players who were successful and not drafted. Once a player is in the NHL, the only thing that matters is how he plays and progresses.
- MJL

Ever now and then a player slips through the draft yes. But athleticism can hide the lack of iq. Organizations usually don’t bash their own prospects. He was noted for his athleticism. Is was his reads he always needed to improve I. E. Iq.

But but he missed a whole season so he deserves a chance !
- ClaudeFather

Agreed, but that season was last season.

York is not going to be hurt by being sent down but the point is he is not going to have a legit shot to make the team. I disagree with that.
- MJL

How does he not have a legit shot? He will come to camp and he will compete for a spot. If he turns heads, the Flyers will easily sit Yandle for him. They are simply not rushing him. Chances are even if he does make the team his play will drop over the course of the season.

Realistically only one forward on that list that is currently being counted. They also only have 5 defenseman being counted although you can count Morin, who is listed as a forward. The Flyers don't have the 2M to spend on a center. Your cap accounting is off. After Sanheim and Hart and with carrying an extra forward and an extra defenseman, they will have somewhere around 1M in cap space. Which you need to keep for injuries.
- MJL

Tampa disagrees. Lol.

Ever now and then a player slips through the draft yes. But athleticism can hide the lack of iq. Organizations usually don’t bash their own prospects. He was noted for his athleticism. Is was his reads he always needed to improve I. E. Iq.
- Peter Richards

Athleticism does not make up for a lack of hockey IQ. Not at the professional level. Inside sources are not the only sources that rate players. There was no talk of hockey IQ issues for Myers before last season that I'm aware of.

Do you watch games or just the highlights and look at the fancy stats also?
- AngryJoe

How does he not have a legit shot? He will come to camp and he will compete for a spot. If he turns heads, the Flyers will easily sit Yandle for him. They are simply not rushing him. Chances are even if he does make the team his play will drop over the course of the season.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

They've already determined that he needs AHL time. Hence the Yandle signing. Unless he blows them away, which is unlikely, he's going to the AHL. The writing is on the wall.

With Patrick's known migraine history he should have been taken off the Flyers draft board. Simple, end of discussion.
- PLindbergh31

To be fair. It has been proven there never was a migraine history.

Athleticism does not make up for a lack of hockey IQ. Not at the professional level. Inside sources are not the only sources that rate players. There was no talk of hockey IQ issues for Myers before last season that I'm aware of.
- MJL

Exactly. Doesn't mean the organization didn't have those concerns.

"Yes, for up to a year. It's up to York to push the issue with his play and beat out a 3-time NHL All-Star. That's not a bad thing." - B.M.

Bill, Any chance - if York plays well - that he bumps Braun out of the line up. for a York-Yandle line 3 D? Or is this a R versus L handed issue?

Except that the hereditary migraine issues, which reportedly presented with him for a while in his early teens apparently and then went away for a number of years, wasn't something that was ever discussed much in any circles. It was his assorted injuries that came after that, especially the bilateral sports hernias, that came up over and over.
- bmeltzer

Exactly. Migraines definitely ARE hereditary. But the funny things is it’s EXTREMELY rare to have episodes of “migraines” and have them just “stop” or go on hiatus for years with no problems ESPECIALLY during teen years when the body is going through many changes. It’s actually extremely MORE COMMON for the migraines to get WORSE during this period.

I think it’s obvious if nopa did suffer some type migraine symptoms for a short period of time in early teens it’s DEFINITELY most likely be probably suffered a minor concussion that wasnt diagnosed. That makes much much more sense

The view here on Nolan Patrick is really weird. The kid puts up back to back 30 point seasons before 20 years old, than career is derailed for a year and a half due to concussions and Covid but the expectation is he should return as the second coming of Mario Lemieux? One bad season by both Patrick and Myers and improvement is out of the question? See, you cannot have a conversation with this kind of stupidity and logic. Like, in what world are Tampa Bay’s 30 year old players comparable to Philly’s 30 year olds? Who in their right mind is proud to have Nate Thompson at 37 when the season begins and talking up Cam Atkinson who has never carried an NHL team in his career, while we give up a guy who wasn’t perfect but did most of our offensive heavy lifting this passed decade outside of our Captain. Do you like giving up multiple draft picks for nothing? Because I don’t.
- SuperSchennBros

But the Flyers didn't give up multiple draft picks for nothing, and its very disingenuous of you to try to spin it this way!

Dunno, haven't really seen much evidence to support that assumption.

And AV was never a big fan of Yandle... and that's when he was in his prime.
- Tomahawk

Oh come on .. do you think Yandle would have signed here if he wasn't going to play?? Yandle can still put up points, and is still one of the best offensive defenseman in the league. He obviously can't play 20+ minutes a night any more, and the Flyers did not sign him or pay him to do that. But he was brought in to QB the PP and provide 15 or so minutes a night on the 3rd pair, thus assuring York and Zamula are playing on the Phantoms when the season starts. BTW, I am fine with this personally.

Exactly. Migraines definitely ARE hereditary. But the funny things is it’s EXTREMELY rare to have episodes of “migraines” and have them just “stop” or go on hiatus for years with no problems ESPECIALLY during teen years when the body is going through many changes. It’s actually extremely MORE COMMON for the migraines to get WORSE during this period.

I think it’s obvious if nopa did suffer some type migraine symptoms for a short period of time in early teens it’s DEFINITELY most likely be probably suffered a minor concussion that was diagnosed. That makes much much more sense
- Stayin alive

York is not going to be hurt by being sent down but the point is he is not going to have a legit shot to make the team. I disagree with that.
- MJL

Though I am fine with Fletcher signing Yandle, I was surprised by the signing because I thought York and Braun would be that 3rd pair with Zamula and Morin as your 7 and 8th defenseman. I would have preferred that CF put the money into a better forward that Nate Thompson, but I imagine the coaching staff believe its better for York to get more minutes at the AHL level, thus prompting this signing.

Look around the league, does every team make top prospects play a year or even half a year in the AHL before bringing them up? The answer is no.
- backfire

Good point. But again, what makes you think he’s NHL ready? I thought he played alright in the 3(!) games Ive seen him. If he impresses in camp then I’m sure they will give him a shot.

And that’s kind of the rub here. Most of you are putting the cart before the horse saying he’s not going to get a “shot”. Playing in games is a chance for exposure but a ton more goes into that decision than just, well he’s a first rounder so we have to start him.

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- Tomahawk

Sharks were pretty poop in front of him too

Good point. But again, what makes you think he’s NHL ready? I thought he played alright in the 3(!) games Ive seen him. If he impresses in camp then I’m sure they will give him a shot.

And that’s kind of the rub here. Most of you are putting the cart before the horse saying he’s not going to get a “shot”. Playing in games is a chance for exposure but a ton more goes into that decision than just, well he’s a first rounder so we have to start him.
- AngryJoe

Furthermore, injuries will happen. So, lighten up Francis.

- Ftown19125

Laugh why?

I speak from experience.

That info is straight from my son’s neurologists. Low and behold when he stated migraines at 13 for the next few years they got worse to point of puking 50% of the time from them. At about 16 they calmed down some and now at 17 he manages them and they have become less frequent.

Funny same thing happened to my daughter except for the puking and age started at 14.

Thinking back to my childhood my migraines started early teens and didn’t start to subside until about 18-19 years old.

But certainly laugh on…. Ask ANYONE who’s had actual migraines if they just disappear for years… laughable actually. At best if you’re lucky you might go a year with just a couple migraines.

Again as my children got diagnosed and we’re trying different meds and things it was made quite clear they MORE THAN LIKELY would be WORSE due to their age and body changing. They don’t just say things like this. And it’s exactly what happened.

[quote=MJL]Athleticism does not make up for a lack of hockey IQ. Not at the professional level. Inside sources are not the only sources that rate players. There was no talk of hockey IQ issues for Myers before last season that I'm aware of.


But this has nothing to do with why he struggled. Not that you are aware of doesn’t mean there wasn’t any. On phone. Didn’t mean to bold my response.

At lower levels if you are athletic you could not have certain skills that will not be exposed. Once the level of competition goes up those flaws/ decision making will be.

Exactly. Migraines definitely ARE hereditary. But the funny things is it’s EXTREMELY rare to have episodes of “migraines” and have them just “stop” or go on hiatus for years with no problems ESPECIALLY during teen years when the body is going through many changes. It’s actually extremely MORE COMMON for the migraines to get WORSE during this period.

I think it’s obvious if nopa did suffer some type migraine symptoms for a short period of time in early teens it’s DEFINITELY most likely be probably suffered a minor concussion that wasnt diagnosed. That makes much much more sense
- Stayin alive

Whos saying that he isnt experiencing them all the time? Migraines vary in terms of severity and symptoms. When he missed time they could have just been a lot more severe than usual. Maybe something aggravated his condition

Yandle wasn't brought in as protection in case York isn't ready. He was brought in to play ahead of York. Pre ordaining that York would go to the AHL.
- MJL

Again, you missed the point, i said it earlier, go back and read

They've already determined that he needs AHL time. Hence the Yandle signing. Unless he blows them away, which is unlikely, he's going to the AHL. The writing is on the wall.
- MJL

Exactly, how isnt that fair? He shouldnt just be awarded the position. Fletcher's job is to ice the best team. Signing Yandle is Fletcher setting the bar for what he expects from York to make the team

York is not going to be hurt by being sent down but the point is he is not going to have a legit shot to make the team. I disagree with that.
- MJL

Do you think they should count on a player thats played 3 games in the nhl, and a handful of games in a watered down AHL to be a ready for full time NHL duty?