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Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Jul 30 @ 12:43 PM ET
No idea what a Monaghan would cost. But I think the Sens can offer up a 1st next year (lottery protected) and a decent player (Colin White, Thompson?).
- spatso

A 1st and Thomson is more than what Buffalo got for Reinhart... so I really don't think that would be a reasonable ask for Monahan, given his performance over the past 2 seasons. And if that's where the negotiations are at, they should be doubling-down on the UFA-offer for Krejci.

None of these guys are the endgame solution for the team at #1C, so there's no point in giving up 1st-round-quality assets in the process... unless they start talking about a more significant addition.
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Jul 30 @ 1:29 PM ET
... and Krejci literally just left the continent.
https://www.tsn.ca/boston...-czech-republic-1.1675499

Well that sucks.
SensFan25
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 08.24.2006

Jul 30 @ 2:34 PM ET
... and Krejci literally just left the continent.
https://www.tsn.ca/boston...-czech-republic-1.1675499

Well that sucks.

- khawk

Disappointing for sure. Krejci would have been the ideal add for a 2 year term as the team would really challenge for the playoffs without having to sacrifice prospects/draft picks.
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Jul 30 @ 3:14 PM ET
Crazy idea of the day... but is it remotely possible that Ottawa could target Alexander Barkov?

Rationale:
- Barkov is going into the final year of his contract at $5.9M, and there's virtually no chance they'd trade him at the deadline
- Florida just traded for Reinhart, added Bennett at last year's trade deadline, and drafted Lundell last year
- Panthers have way too much cap space being used on the F/G, and have big gaps on D, with relatively limited prospect depth
- Bobrovsky, Ekblad, and Huberdeau all have NMC, which makes Barkov the most flexible of their major contracts
- Ottawa just dropped $5M/yr of cap space for the next 2 years, and have many good young d-prospects

This strikes me as the kind of player that could legitimize the entire rebuild, make Cup contention a realistic goal within the next few years, and allow Dorion to swallow his Brannstrom pride as well.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jul 30 @ 6:10 PM ET
David Krejci has 12G 23PTS when the Bruins won the cup (in 25GP)

Ottawa needs to develop their center ice. Josh Norris and Shane Pinto aren't Connor McDavid and Leon Draitstl
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jul 30 @ 6:36 PM ET
Crazy idea of the day... but is it remotely possible that Ottawa could target Alexander Barkov?

Rationale:
- Barkov is going into the final year of his contract at $5.9M, and there's virtually no chance they'd trade him at the deadline
- Florida just traded for Reinhart, added Bennett at last year's trade deadline, and drafted Lundell last year
- Panthers have way too much cap space being used on the F/G, and have big gaps on D, with relatively limited prospect depth
- Bobrovsky, Ekblad, and Huberdeau all have NMC, which makes Barkov the most flexible of their major contracts
- Ottawa just dropped $5M/yr of cap space for the next 2 years, and have many good young d-prospects

This strikes me as the kind of player that could legitimize the entire rebuild, make Cup contention a realistic goal within the next few years, and allow Dorion to swallow his Brannstrom pride as well.

- khawk


It’s a good idea…..but probably as unlikely as getting Mcdavid, Mackinnon, or Makar.
Pingleheimer
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Member at Cazenovia CC
Joined: 07.24.2021

Jul 30 @ 6:44 PM ET
This is totally off the wall but if Eichel was available to the Sens...
1) would you want him? and...
2) would you give up Tkachuk as part of a deal?

This is an honest question and I'm fully aware something has to give between Eichel and Buffalo. Wondering what Sens fans might be willing to sacrifice (if anything) to bring him in? FYI - I wouldn't want him in our division period. But if it happened, curious to know what might be on the table (again, if anything.) Thanks all!

PS I'm so glad you guys have the old logo back. I think it's one of the best in the league hands down
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Jul 30 @ 11:11 PM ET
Kevin Do you know what other piece Wilson want for Hertl. I have no problem giving Thomson but not on top of a first. A second no problem
- Crosside


Sorry for the delayed reply, between my family and fulltime job this week, been a little nuts.

Personally, no way the Sens pay a higher price than what they woudlve for Reinhart. The asking was 1st round pick and Ridly Greig.

Lassi T, personally is more than enough. Maybe a mid round pick with him. Regardless, getting Hertl would be nice with Krejci out now.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Jul 30 @ 11:13 PM ET
This is totally off the wall but if Eichel was available to the Sens...
1) would you want him? and...
2) would you give up Tkachuk as part of a deal?

This is an honest question and I'm fully aware something has to give between Eichel and Buffalo. Wondering what Sens fans might be willing to sacrifice (if anything) to bring him in? FYI - I wouldn't want him in our division period. But if it happened, curious to know what might be on the table (again, if anything.) Thanks all!

PS I'm so glad you guys have the old logo back. I think it's one of the best in the league hands down

- Pingleheimer


Ah yes, we all love the old logo! Thanks for stopping in to chat. In most Sens fans eyes, Brady is the next captain, no injury history and the glue in that locker room. So I don't ever see that trade happening, but great for discussion.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Jul 30 @ 11:15 PM ET
Crazy idea of the day... but is it remotely possible that Ottawa could target Alexander Barkov?

Rationale:
- Barkov is going into the final year of his contract at $5.9M, and there's virtually no chance they'd trade him at the deadline
- Florida just traded for Reinhart, added Bennett at last year's trade deadline, and drafted Lundell last year
- Panthers have way too much cap space being used on the F/G, and have big gaps on D, with relatively limited prospect depth
- Bobrovsky, Ekblad, and Huberdeau all have NMC, which makes Barkov the most flexible of their major contracts
- Ottawa just dropped $5M/yr of cap space for the next 2 years, and have many good young d-prospects

Dorion is known for swinging for the fences.....it certainly would be something worth looking at if the asking price was fair!

This strikes me as the kind of player that could legitimize the entire rebuild, make Cup contention a realistic goal within the next few years, and allow Dorion to swallow his Brannstrom pride as well.

- khawk

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 31 @ 9:54 AM ET
Sorry for the delayed reply, between my family and fulltime job this week, been a little nuts.

Personally, no way the Sens pay a higher price than what they woud have for Reinhart. The asking was 1st round pick and Ridly Greig.

Lassi T, personally is more than enough. Maybe a mid round pick with him. Regardless, getting Hertl would be nice with Krejci out now.

- Kevin Francis


Provocative.

Sens have a player and prospect pool that should enable them to match just about any offer on any player. Does the mere fact that the Sens do not show at the finish line (especially on Reinhart) tells us something.

1. Are the Sens dabbling on the edges with no real intention of doing anything other than making a veteran addition (Krejci, Henrique) to cover off the next year or two at minimal cost from their asset pool?

2. Are the Sens looking for a solid fix with a top 6 player coming in as a centre for multiple years as a longer term fix (Monaghan, Khadri, Strome)?

3. Are they playing a long term negotiation? Waiting to deal for an elite centre that would immediately go to the top of their salary pyramid (Eichel).

I hate and despise option 3. I loved Toronto's plan to build around the young players. How could you not like the additions of Rielly, Nylander, Matthews and Marner. But everything turned sour the day the Leafs signed Tavares. Nothing against Tavares (nice player) but the Leafs interrupted the natural harmony and growth of a very good young team. Rather than having a fan base fully engaged in the growth of a young and improving team, the Leafs created a fan base increasingly disappointed, embarrassed and now bitter over their inability to achieve any post season success.
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Jul 31 @ 11:01 AM ET
Sens have a player and prospect pool that should enable them to match just about any offer on any player. Does the mere fact that the Sens do not show at the finish line (especially on Reinhart) tells us something.
- spatso

You're making a critical assumption that the Sabres were ever offering Reinhart to the Senators for the same price they accepted from Florida, or that they were ever going to let them match. GM's do this all the time, especially if they have multiple interested parties, of which one has a lot more expendable assets. Basically, you agree to a trade in principle for one price with one team, then try to get a higher value from another team by a certain date. Now it doesn't work if you're targeting a specific player in return, obviously, but in the case of the Sabres its about acquiring picks/young assets at virtually any position.
SENS-sational
Ottawa Senators
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jul 31 @ 3:54 PM ET
Provocative.

Sens have a player and prospect pool that should enable them to match just about any offer on any player. Does the mere fact that the Sens do not show at the finish line (especially on Reinhart) tells us something.

1. Are the Sens dabbling on the edges with no real intention of doing anything other than making a veteran addition (Krejci, Henrique) to cover off the next year or two at minimal cost from their asset pool?

2. Are the Sens looking for a solid fix with a top 6 player coming in as a centre for multiple years as a longer term fix (Monaghan, Khadri, Strome)?

3. Are they playing a long term negotiation? Waiting to deal for an elite centre that would immediately go to the top of their salary pyramid (Eichel).

I hate and despise option 3. I loved Toronto's plan to build around the young players. How could you not like the additions of Rielly, Nylander, Matthews and Marner. But everything turned sour the day the Leafs signed Tavares. Nothing against Tavares (nice player) but the Leafs interrupted the natural harmony and growth of a very good young team. Rather than having a fan base fully engaged in the growth of a young and improving team, the Leafs created a fan base increasingly disappointed, embarrassed and now bitter over their inability to achieve any post season success.

- spatso




ITS MONAHAN!!!! NO G lol
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