Great signing for sure. Prob $1M a year less than I thought he’d get.
- TC88

Probably a good sales pitch to him...

"Look at our core, we need you but this is all we can give"

Probably a good sales pitch to him...

"Look at our core, we need you but this is all we can give"
- climbdenali12

“We havent won a playoff series in 20 years, youre the missing piece”

“We havent won a playoff series in 20 years, youre the missing piece”
- aecliptic

Did he have Leafs pajamas too?

So, again, if you ignore the fact that Fox is under 6’ because he’s a Norris winner and we all agree he’s a different breed and his size doesn’t matter, 7 out of 12 cup winners have someone under 6’.
- Bean_Dip

What I’m saying is come playoff time you need bigger defenseman. Having Fox is fine, but having 2 smaller guys on your defense come playoff time could be an issue. I’m not saying this is a science or that it can’t be done, I’m just saying having Fox and Nils (Nils is 5’10 175) come playoff time could be an issue. If you look at the teams that make deep playoff runs this “stat” follows the same trend, bigger defenseman 6’+ with teams only having 1 defenseman under 6’.

What I’m saying is come playoff time you need bigger defenseman. Having Fox is fine, but having 2 smaller guys on your defense come playoff time could be an issue. I’m not saying this is a science or that it can’t be done, I’m just saying having Fox and Nils (Nils is 5’10 175) come playoff time could be an issue. If you look at the teams that make deep playoff runs this “stat” follows the same trend, bigger defenseman 6’+ with teams only having 1 defenseman under 6’.
- nyrangers9479

I wonder what the height of forwards were. Maybe the D are big, but the forwards smaller? Our forwards definitely have some size now.

I don't know if anyone on here would know the answer to this question...

Regardless of whether you want Eichel or not....

What if he decided, I'm 24 years old, already have made over $30M, This is my life we are talking about... and decided to get the surgery he wants done on his own.

What would happen? Would his contract get voided by the Sabres? What could they do?
- ELew11

https://twitter.com/Fried...tatus/1421451518004416518

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1421451518004416518
- dashripdot

Done a couple disc replacements at work. I dont get to see the post-op results but damn, spine surgery is still spine surgery.

I wonder what the height of forwards were. Maybe the D are big, but the forwards smaller? Our forwards definitely have some size now.
- Bean_Dip

No idea, I’m not saying small players can’t do well or be a part of success come playoff time. But the stats regarding defenseman kinda speak for themselves. I remember a few years back watching CGY in the playoffs and Gudreau (I know he’s a F) was getting ran over all over the ice and had no room to do anything. You could tell mentally it affected him, he was swinging his stick, yelling at the refs and at one point had a look of such aggravation it looked like tears were swelling up in his eyes. He couldn’t understand why his razzle dazzle wasn’t working in the playoffs when guys were allowed to hit a little more, clutch a little more, rough stuff after the whistle etc. That’s playoff hockey, and unless you’re willing to go down that road you’re not going to have much success. Now someone similar in size to him that’s willing to play like that is Zucc. Does the size matter for Zucc? Not so much, but I wouldn’t want an entire team of guys Zucc size. I don’t think for the forwards size matters as much, but if you look at the trend for defenseman it certainly seems like it does.

No idea, I’m not saying small players can’t do well or be a part of success come playoff time. But the stats regarding defenseman kinda speak for themselves. I remember a few years back watching CGY in the playoffs and Gudreau (I know he’s a F) was getting ran over all over the ice and had no room to do anything. You could tell mentally it affected him, he was swinging his stick, yelling at the refs and at one point had a look of such aggravation it looked like tears were swelling up in his eyes. He couldn’t understand why his razzle dazzle wasn’t working in the playoffs when guys were allowed to hit a little more, clutch a little more, rough stuff after the whistle etc. That’s playoff hockey, and unless you’re willing to go down that road you’re not going to have much success. Now someone similar in size to him that’s willing to play like that is Zucc. Does the size matter for Zucc? Not so much, but I wouldn’t want an entire team of guys Zucc size. I don’t think for the forwards size matters as much, but if you look at the trend for defenseman it certainly seems like it does.
- nyrangers9479

Look at what the Isles did to McAvoy in their series. They pounded him for 6 straight games and it really took its toll on him.

Look at what the Isles did to McAvoy in their series. They pounded him for 6 straight games and it really took its toll on him.
- Isles

But that’s the forward group. Team size is the more relative stat to look into, not just the height of the d. Not to mention, style of play. An aggressive forecheck is what took a toll on McAvoy, right?

Done a couple disc replacements at work. I dont get to see the post-op results but damn, spine surgery is still spine surgery.
- aecliptic

Eichel wants one type, the organization wants a different type. Under the CBA the organization gets to choose what they're paying for. He wants the trade for a number of reasons, not the least of which (and maybe the most important in the long run) is so he can choose the procedure he wants to be performed on his neck.

Eichel wants one type, the organization wants a different type. Under the CBA the organization gets to choose what they're paying for. He wants the trade for a number of reasons, not the least of which (and maybe the most important in the long run) is so he can choose the procedure he wants to be performed on his neck.
- dashripdot

Im curious which one he wants and the team wants.

Im curious which one he wants and the team wants.
- aecliptic

He wants the artificial replacement. They want the more typical surgery, but NFL players have had success with the surgery he wants. No NHL player has tried it yet.

He wants the artificial replacement. They want the more typical surgery, but NFL players have had success with the surgery he wants. No NHL player has tried it yet.
- dashripdot

Ok so the team wants the fusion.

Id side with Eichel here, theres no going back from the fusion. Atleast if the artificial one doesnt work out for him he can always go back for the fusion.

Ok so the team wants the fusion.

Id side with Eichel here, theres no going back from the fusion. Atleast if the artificial one doesnt work out for him he can always go back for the fusion.
- aecliptic

If he gets surgery isn’t there a possibility he doesn’t play this season?

If he gets surgery isn’t there a possibility he doesn’t play this season?
- nyrangers9479

Online it says recovery time is 3-5 weeks depending on the person for the artificial disc replacement.

Online it says recovery time is 3-5 weeks depending on the person for the artificial disc replacement.
- aecliptic

I just can’t imagine he’s back to full contact hockey 3 weeks after neck surgery. What are the chances of reinjury?

I just can’t imagine he’s back to full contact hockey 3 weeks after neck surgery. What are the chances of reinjury?
- nyrangers9479

Reinjury at that level probably none. I think the risk might be at the other discs herniating.

Eichel's preference to have Artificial Disc Replacement surgery as opposed to one involving fusion, has a big unknown in that it has never been performed yet on any NHL player. However, despite fusion surgery being the most common used complex surgery, its disadvantage is it may result in a loss of range of motion, vs. the former with a greater range of motion, as necessary to play the world's fastest sport; despite a foreseen 6 months recovery period. That was the latest news on his injury status then as I posted late last week & forward, as reported on July 21st by "Buffalo News" per a link I had included:

https://buffalonews.com/n...eb-adf7-938de5ef7445.html

Yesterday, Sabres GM Adams initially informed media, "there is no change on the medical side, & to be clear, EICHEL WANTS TO HAVE A SURGERY THAT THE SABRES WON'T APPROVE," contradicting their word 2 weeks ago.

Adams' words prompted Eichel's agents to reply in dispute last night per a link to Twitter among here:

https://www.foreverbluesh...not-working-expect-trade/

Besides expecting Eichel traded by free agency's start, they mentioned of key, "AFTER THE AGREED UPON & PRESCRIBED PERIOD FOR CONSERVATIVE REHABILITATION LAPSED IN EARLY JUNE, IT WAS DETERMINED BY THE SABRES MEDICAL STAFF THAT A SURGICAL PROCEDURE WAS REQUIRED. Eichel's outside neurosurgeon & other spine specialists made him feel comfortable to have Artificial Disc Replacement surgery to correct the herniated disc in his neck; in being under the impression the Sabres specialist was in agreement with, until becoming no longer the case."

The Eichel situation is a big mess which Drury should have avoided all along, of which his predominance to possibly acquire him, instead led him in part to sell Buch low, (with he being an agreed piece held till then for any trade for Eichel), & being unable to complete other moves starting with acquiring a 2nd line center, outside of all moves (minus one F.A. signing in McKegg) made solely to become tougher to play against.

Eichel's preference to have Artificial Disc Replacement surgery as opposed to one involving fusion, has a big unknown in that it has never been performed yet on any NHL player. However, despite fusion surgery being the most common used complex surgery, its disadvantage is it may result in a loss of range of motion, vs. the former with a greater range of motion, as necessary to play the world's fastest sport; despite a foreseen 6 months recovery period. That was the latest news on hiss injury status then as I posted late last week & forward, as reported on July 21st by "Buffalo News" per a link I had included:

https://buffalonews.com/n...eb-adf7-938de5ef7445.html

Yesterday, Sabres GM Adams initially informed media, "there is no change on the medical side, & to be clear, EICHEL WANTS TO HAVE A SURGERY THAT THE SABRES WON'T APPROVE." That contradicts word around 2 weeks ago of them being willing.

Adams' words prompted Eichel's agents to reply in dispute last night per a link to Twitter among here:

https://www.foreverbluesh...not-working-expect-trade/

Besides expecting Eichel traded by free agency's start, they mentioned of key, "AFTER THE AGREED UPON & PRESCRIBED PERIOD FOR CONSERVATIVE REHABILITATION LAPSED IN EARLY JUNE, IT WAS DETERMINED BY THE SABRES MEDICAL STAFF THAT A SURGICAL PROCEDURE WAS REQUIRED. Recommendation by Eichel's independent neurosurgeon & other spine specialists made him feel comfortable to have Artificial Disc Replacement surgery to correct the herniated disc in his neck; in being under the impression the Sabres specialist was in agreement with, until becoming no longer the case."

The Eichel situation is a big mess which Drury should have avoided all along, of which his predominance to possibly acquire him, instead led him in part to sell Buch low, (with he being an agreed piece held till then for any trade for Eichel), & being unable to complete other moves starting with acquiring a 2nd line center, outside of all moves (minus one F.A. signing in McKegg) just to become tougher to play against.
- RangerSaver

In summation…

Drury should have not got in this mess.

In summation…

Drury should have not got in this mess.
- aecliptic

Yes, that's the case as I mentioned there. But the scarier part are the ramifications that could occur to affect his future life routine off the ice if having either surgery means. That's why I detailed them despite adding those links, for those lazy to not read those articles directly, or can't read at all(???); but still want Eichel here no matter what the effect poses on the Rangers, cap wise or worse.

Another boring day

Another boring day
- picklerick

But good in the end since Drury didn't botch up another trade today, (at least through now with 6+ hours still left to do so), which would have then made him 2 for 3 in bad trades as a 1st time GM.

When the rangers trade for Eichel I am going to be here and love all the hate haha

When the rangers trade for Eichel I am going to be here and love all the hate haha
- TPC

Should tell you a lot that were the only team still interested and the other 30 teams want nothing to do with this mess