Why should the team doctor decide what happens to Eichel?

If he wants a specific procedure to improve his health that should be his decision.

Not an Eichel fan, but can't believe any fans are siding with the team on this one. It's his health and future.
- Nasty_Duck

The collective bargaining agreement says the team and player's doctors agree on medical treatment.

This has always been a ploy by his agents to get him moved. The fact that they haven't filed for arbitration proves it.

The Sabres are a few years from playoff caliber, they are in no hurry to move him for less that they feel is fair compensation.

Because Jack is a hockey player, and hockey players are not necessarily known for their medical expertise.

The neurosurgeon is the expert, paid by the team for their decades of training and experience.

In signing a multimillion dollar contract to provide a service, he is bound to abide be the fine details of the contracts, which include the necessity for the team to be intimately involved in these decisions.

That’s the logic. Opinions and feels are on the side of the lawyers in this case…and apparently you too?
- halo63

And if he gets an independent expert opinion not paid by the team that says the procedure is viable?

You think Eichel does not want to be healthy?

My body my choice? Like the vaccine
- sabresfan69

No not really.
Not getting vaccine is just DUMB. Plain and simple. Extreme STUPID

Elective surgery in an athlete especially…you seek the best of the best

Stripes, how the hell do we know what market value is for Eichel?

We can all post constantly that Eichel is worth a Zegras, or Byfield, or Rossi, etc., but if no team will give that up, isn't that an indication that his market value isn't what many think it is?

Further, why is there an assumption that if Eichel is healthy and plays well, that it means his market value goes up?

Isn't there a damn good chance that his market value is what it is due to the very public divorce that's going on where every single person involved in the NHL knows the Sabres are going to trade him?

The better time to get the best value for Eichel was the offseason before the 20-21 season. The Sabres missed their window.
- kingcong39

I mean it is pretty obvious that other GMs are trying to get Eichel while his trade value is at his lowest. Who wouldn't want a ppg center who is 24 years old signed for 5 more years?

His value is at it's lowest because he is hurt (and in my opinion using it as leverage to get out of Buffalo). I can't blame him for wanting out. Hell I would want out as well.

But Adams cannot sell his best asset at it's lowest value. It's like selling Apple or Amazon stock right before it went public.

The collective bargaining agreement says the team and player's doctors agree on medical treatment.

This has always been a ploy by his agents to get him moved. The fact that they haven't filed for arbitration proves it.

The Sabres are a few years from playoff caliber, they are in no hurry to move him for less that they feel is fair compensation.
- sfhfan

This!

My body my choice? Like the vaccine
- sabresfan69

hmmmm...from what i've gathered, spinal surgery doesn't transmit a virus that has killed over 600,000 'muricans...i could be wrong or am not watching/listening to the right media outlets

The collective bargaining agreement says the team and player's doctors agree on medical treatment.

This has always been a ploy by his agents to get him moved. The fact that they haven't filed for arbitration proves it.

The Sabres are a few years from playoff caliber, they are in no hurry to move him for less that they feel is fair compensation.
- sfhfan

I never said they should move him for less than fair compensation.

This very much has less to do with Jack and more to do with the Agents posturing. Adams power played them with his statement, and they had egg on their faces and had to say something. Its not like that statement had any new information, and they put it out late Friday (because that is when you announce things you want the least number of people to see). Nothings change except for fan's "fear" and "urgency".

I believe that Adams point was a statement to put the issue to bed through the media, and his Agents wanted to keep the pressure on. Stupid for his agents to erode Jacks value if they truly want a deal done. Perfect for a team that wants to draft as high as possible in 22...

Check my facts on what? The Sabres doctors said no

He went for a second and third opinion
- Stripes77

and found doctors that agree with his camp?

hockeybuzz is probably the last place anyone should go to for hockey rumors, examples of how to live a moral life, or medical advice

And if he gets an independent expert opinion not paid by the team that says the procedure is viable?

You think Eichel does not want to be healthy?
- Nasty_Duck

sure he does...just not sure what he wants more, to be healthy or to be traded

And if he gets an independent expert opinion not paid by the team that says the procedure is viable?

You think Eichel does not want to be healthy?
- Nasty_Duck

the only reason the eichel camp has not filed for medical arbitration is because they most likely would not win the arbitration

I mean it is pretty obvious that other GMs are trying to get Eichel while his trade value is at his lowest. Who wouldn't want a ppg center who is 24 years old signed for 5 more years?

His value is at it's lowest because he is hurt (and in my opinion using it as leverage to get out of Buffalo). I can't blame him for wanting out. Hell I would want out as well.

But Adams cannot sell his best asset at it's lowest value. It's like selling Apple or Amazon stock right before it went public.
- Stripes77

I believe the bold is a massively incorrect assumption.

His value is low because everyone with a pulse knows he wants out and the Sabres want him out.

My body my choice? Like the vaccine
- sabresfan69

Well, no different from Walmart, Disney, Goldman sachs. Want to work here, this is what you are going to do, not do.

the only reason the eichel camp has not filed for medical arbitration is because they most likely would not win the arbitration
- homiedclown

That and he's a lot more healthy than he is letting on.

hockeybuzz is probably the last place anyone should go to for hockey rumors, examples of how to live a moral life, or medical advice



- homiedclown

AMEN!

and found doctors that agree with his camp?
- Michael Pachla

I've always looked at it like this, especially since my wife was in a similar situation.

We also went for second and third opinions.

Dr Cappuccino did my wife's surgery.

Surgeons want to cut open a person first and ask questions later. It's in their DNA. The good ones are the ones that make surgery the last option. The great ones are the ones who look for better methods. The best ones are the ones that help breakthrough new technology.

Dr Cappuccino helped develop the artificial disc replacements. He has performed more disc replacement surgeries than any doctor in the United States. He is the best of the best. If he said no to this, then I would question any other doctor that is gun hoe to do this surgery.

https://twitter.com/fried.../1421451518004416518?s=21

The collective bargaining agreement says the team and player's doctors agree on medical treatment.

This has always been a ploy by his agents to get him moved. The fact that they haven't filed for arbitration proves it.

The Sabres are a few years from playoff caliber, they are in no hurry to move him for less that they feel is fair compensation.
- sfhfan

One minor point to the bold is the Sabres want Eichel out just as much as Eichel himself wants out, and they do not want him around the team.

https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1421451518004416518?s=21
- k1234

I'm stunned and shocked by the timing of this podcast coming out. Surely it's entirely coincidental timing...🤔

https://podcast.sportsnet...wants-a-disc-replacement/

One minor point to the bold is the Sabres want Eichel out just as much as Eichel himself wants out, and they do not want him around the team.
- kingcong39

Just because both parties want him out doesn't mean they will settle for less than what they want.

I want to sell my $300,000 doesn't mean I would take $150,000 for it no matter how badly I want to sell it.

https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1421451518004416518?s=21
- k1234

Dr. Chad Prusmack, MD


Specialize mainly in all minimally invasive surgical procedures, do over 400 cases per year. Primary neurosurgical consultant for the Denver Broncos and UFC and have an interest in sports injury. Spine tumors, infections, degenerative disk disease, spondylolithesis in all spine areas: cervical, thoracic, lumbar and skull base. My partners are two board certified orthopedic spine surgeons specializing in deformity. Drs. John Barker and Eric Jamrich. I graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Univeristy; Graduated AOA from Columbia College of Physicians and Surgeons; Completed a Neurosurgery residency at the University of Miami under Roberto Heros and Barth Green. I then completed a skull base/cerebrovascular fellowship at U of M with Dr. Heros. Then a Spine fellowship with Drs. Green and Eismont.

https://doctor.webmd.com/...7e2-13f718c61d28-overview

Why should the team doctor decide what happens to Eichel?

- Nasty_Duck

The artificial disc likely wasn’t designed to handle the compressive forces Eichel would put it thru. Even if it does, it will wear out faster. They’re saying around 10yrs for an average joe.

Another thing to consider is how the disc fails on an athlete, if it gets crushed like a coke can then that could lead to paralysis. Even if the Dr and the sabres agree, insurance won’t touch it with a 1000ft pole.

One minor point to the bold is the Sabres want Eichel out just as much as Eichel himself wants out, and they do not want him around the team.
- kingcong39

if they hold on to him in training camp, do you think he reports?

I'm stunned and shocked by the timing of this podcast coming out. Surely it's entirely coincidental timing...🤔

https://podcast.sportsnet...wants-a-disc-replacement/
- kingcong39

definitely a tool