Just read the last few pages and clearly you guys don't like the offers that have been floated out there (Kravtsov, Jones, Georgiev, etc.) and frankly I don't blame you guys.

I'm curious what package from the Rangers you would a) see as a win for the Sabres, or b) not be thrilled with but also could live with

Not trying to stir things up here just looking for a genuine answer from the other side. If you look at the Ranger's blog most people don't even want him unless its for peanuts which I think is unlikely, but I also think some of the other deals i've seen (Laf + Kakko + picks) are obvious non-starters for the Rangers. There's gotta be something in the middle where both sides are upset
- SkjeiStadium

if you do not part with laf and a 1st or kakko and a 1st, with either having a little something else

there is no trade that can be made

Some of them said they would consider Fox + Laf + 2nd
- rangerdanger94

And most understand that that's just as silly as Vatali ".5 ppg in the MHL" Kravtzov being the main piece. I think you're better than this. Be better.

And most understand that that's just as silly as Vatali ".5 ppg in the MHL" Kravtzov being the main piece. I think you're better than this. Be better.
- SDSabre

Kakko + Nils + Georgiev + 1st for Eichel with 2.5 mil retained?

Just read the last few pages and clearly you guys don't like the offers that have been floated out there (Kravtsov, Jones, Georgiev, etc.) and frankly I don't blame you guys.

I'm curious what package from the Rangers you would a) see as a win for the Sabres, or b) not be thrilled with but also could live with

Not trying to stir things up here just looking for a genuine answer from the other side. If you look at the Ranger's blog most people don't even want him unless its for peanuts which I think is unlikely, but I also think some of the other deals i've seen (Laf + Kakko + picks) are obvious non-starters for the Rangers. There's gotta be something in the middle where both sides are upset
- SkjeiStadium

Chytil, Lundqvist, Kravtsov, Georgiev

"ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Bills general manager Brandon Beane told The Associated Press on Monday he is giving himself until the start of the regular season to negotiate a long-term extension with quarterback Josh Allen before putting off discussions until next year.

Beane wouldn't specify an exact date in saying the two sides have agreed to suspend talks before Week 1 in September so as not to serve as a distraction for the fourth-year starter, whose rookie contract runs through the end of the 2022 season.

"Josh and I are in lockstep on that," Beane said during a brief interview after practice. "There will be no negotiating in-season. At some point we will press the pause button.""

https://www.espn.com/nfl/...k-1-gm-brandon-beane-says

Kakko + Nils + Georgiev + 1st for Eichel with 2.5 mil retained?
- rangerdanger94

zero retention. But it's probably not that far off.

any trade has to start with Laf, Kakko or Fox, then add from from here.
- hehateme

Fox and Laf I have to believe are absolute non-starters. Not that when healthy Eichel isn't the best player of the 4, but the huge contract and injury in a flat-cap world I can't see the Rangers parting with either. Kakko is interesting in that he's a little redundant as a winger for the Rangers, but he's also 20 and just scratching the surface. Will he ever be as good as Jack was pre-injury? Probably not, but he's cost controlled for the next year and won't be due a hefty raise so will likely be cheap for another 3-4 years at least.

This isn't to say you guys are wrong to want that. I think a deal centered around Kakko would make both sides somewhat disappointed so maybe we're onto something

Kakko + Nils + Georgiev + 1st for Eichel with 2.5 mil retained?
- rangerdanger94

retain this


..!..

I know a young Russian forward that you could trade for
- rangerdanger94

sorry the Sabres want good players.

Kakko + Nils + Georgiev + 1st for Eichel with 2.5 mil retained?
- rangerdanger94

You keep pushing this salary retention.

Will not happen.


The Pegulas have a yacht to build.

if you do not part with laf and a 1st or kakko and a 1st, with either having a little something else

there is no trade that can be made
- homiedclown

Ranger trade, Laf, Georgiev & Mika Z, 2 first rounder's & cap dump to sabers for

Eichel.

Eichel replaces Mika Z, and we turn around and trade him at the deadline for more picks or a younger center.

Kakko + Nils + Georgiev + 1st for Eichel with 2.5 mil retained?
- rangerdanger94

No.

zero retention. But it's probably not that far off.
- SDSabre

Have the taxpayers cover the retention

zero retention. But it's probably not that far off.
- SDSabre

probably settle for a second if no retention

Not trying to stir the pot either, but personally I don't think the Rangers are the best partner. The Rags have plenty of talent, but when it comes to prospects (what the Sabres want) other teams are offering some bigger names reportedly. Zegras is an example of a guy who, at least to me, is a higher quality player than anyone the Rags are offering. 1st rounders are nice, but being that they'll likely be in the 20s, they are far from sure bets.
- QuinnFan

I actually agree. If I were buffalo I'd be pursuing Zegras or Boldy/Rossi just to recoup a center back in the deal that the rangers can't offer. I think one of the issues is that if Jack were an FA right now he wouldn't get the contract he is currently on (in my opinion). It's not too far off but with the current injury and his history of missing games I'm not sure I'd go to $10M (and I love Jack as a player). I think the contract that's attached to him has to devalue him a little bit, the question is how much and I think that's where a lot of fans differ

Have the taxpayers cover the retention
- rangerdanger94

It's not that it'll "hurt" capwise. It's that it's clearly a favor at that point. And the offer is at Eichel's value. So to hold 12.5M is space, We need a big favor back.

You keep pushing this salary retention.

Will not happen.


The Pegulas have a yacht to build.
- dadeadhead

Realistically, in a flat cap era, you may have to retain a little to maximize the return. Not ideal obviously, but if it helps boost the return you could get, or gets more teams that would like Eichel but can't fit him in at his full 10mm cap hit to start to negotiate and raise demand a bit, then why not? Other than the principal of it

probably settle for a second if no retention
- homiedclown

Kakko, Nils, Georgiev, and a 2nd for Eichel? I mean, we could do worse. I don't love it. I don't hate it. I'm meeeeeeh about it.

Zib (50% retained)
Kakko
Laf
Fox


For

Eichel
6th rd pick in 2025

Realistically, in a flat cap era, you may have to retain a little to maximize the return. Not ideal obviously, but if it helps boost the return you could get, or gets more teams that would like Eichel but can't fit him in at his full 10mm cap hit to start to negotiate and raise demand a bit, then why not? Other than the principal of it
- rangerdanger94

Nils, Kakko, Georgiev, Vatali, first in 22 (unprotected), top 10 protected first in 23 for Eichel with 2 retained. Best I can do.

Zib (50% retained)
Kakko
Laf
Fox


For

Eichel
6th rd pick in 2025
- ImThatGuy

In our dreams....

Realistically, in a flat cap era, you may have to retain a little to maximize the return. Not ideal obviously, but if it helps boost the return you could get, or gets more teams that would like Eichel but can't fit him in at his full 10mm cap hit to start to negotiate and raise demand a bit, then why not? Other than the principal of it
- rangerdanger94

Realistically the Pegula’s aren’t going to retain any of Jacks salary.

Adams isn’t going to retain salary so you have the money to sign Zibs either.

They’re in pinching pennies mode.

Chytil, Lundqvist, Kravtsov, Georgiev
- Pegullaville

Interesting this is the first offer I've seen from your side that I am slightly hesitant about but would definitely consider.

From the rangers perspective, which I know most of you don't care about, the issue with bringing in Eichel is it likely means Zib is gone. So depending on what we can get for him, which I wouldn't assume would be a crazy amount considering he'd be a UFA that we can't afford, the trade from our standpoint would look like Chytil, Lundkvist, Kravtsov, Georgiev and Zib for Eichel and whatever underwhelming return Zib brings back.

Again, not the Sabres problem, but that's the hesitancy from the Ranger side that if we give up all those assets to get Jack, and then turn around and lose Zib, we're arguably in a worse spot than we were before the trade.

Perhaps despite what the media would want you to believe the two teams are just not good trade partners

Realistically the Pegula’s aren’t going to retain any of Jacks salary.

Adams isn’t going to retain salary so you have the money to sign Zibs either.

They’re in pinching pennies mode.
- dadeadhead

Completely agree that there is no way any money is retained on Eichel. The term is too long and I would imagine that if Buffalo moves him they want to be completely done with him (i.e., not paying him to play for someone else). I'd hope that you can concede, though, that not retaining any salary will of course lead to a smaller return. Not peanuts, mind you, but cap space is incredibly valuable these days as we all know.

Interesting this is the first offer I've seen from your side that I am slightly hesitant about but would definitely consider.

From the rangers perspective, which I know most of you don't care about, the issue with bringing in Eichel is it likely means Zib is gone. So depending on what we can get for him, which I wouldn't assume would be a crazy amount considering he'd be a UFA that we can't afford, the trade from our standpoint would look like Chytil, Lundkvist, Kravtsov, Georgiev and Zib for Eichel and whatever underwhelming return Zib brings back.

Again, not the Sabres problem, but that's the hesitancy from the Ranger side that if we give up all those assets to get Jack, and then turn around and lose Zib, we're arguably in a worse spot than we were before the trade.

Perhaps despite what the media would want you to believe the two teams are just not good trade partners
- SkjeiStadium

Pretty much.

Eichel will go out west.