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Aug 2 @ 6:00 PM ET
Okslowpoke was bad signing, we have to live with it.
Pegula is just asking high, ZERO% chance this team gets moved - hehateme
They said that about the Buffalo Braves. Granted this isn't the 1970's but don't be so arrogant about this. You'll be going to Buffalo Bisons games in 6 years wondering what happened to our professional sports teams.
I tend to agree. Let me ask you this since you seem pretty level headed and open to a conversation. Would you rather take less for Eichel this offseason (not way less, but taking your deal, maybe Chytil, Kravtsov, Jones, Georgiev) to get things wrapped up this summer or would you prefer to go into next season with Jack and see how things play out?
This is of course assuming that no better offers from out west are made. Part of me sees the point that you can't let a guy like Eichel go for less than "value" but part of me also thinks that if he's as good as gone it's almost better to get this season started on fresh and start building something new.
To a much lesser extent, I had a similar thought with Buchnevich. He was definitely leaving, and you can make an argument that he would have gotten more at the trade deadline than he did this summer, but I think there are a lot of positives to starting fresh and letting the kids assume those roles and not be blocked by a player that wasn't going to be here past this season.
I tend to agree. Let me ask you this since you seem pretty level headed and open to a conversation. Would you rather take less for Eichel this offseason (not way less, but taking your deal, maybe Chytil, Kravtsov, Jones, Georgiev) to get things wrapped up this summer or would you prefer to go into next season with Jack and see how things play out?
This is of course assuming that no better offers from out west are made. Part of me sees the point that you can't let a guy like Eichel go for less than "value" but part of me also thinks that if he's as good as gone it's almost better to get this season started on fresh and start building something new.
To a much lesser extent, I had a similar thought with Buchnevich. He was definitely leaving, and you can make an argument that he would have gotten more at the trade deadline than he did this summer, but I think there are a lot of positives to starting fresh and letting the kids assume those roles and not be blocked by a player that wasn't going to be here past this season. - SkjeiStadium
Why not both?
Eichel isn't playing for the Sabres this year (tank v3.2) and there will be a massive bidding war at the draft in '22 prior to the NTC kicking in on July 1.
Eichel won't come near the team this year in any scenario. There's literally no downside to holding onto him as far as I'm concerned.
Eichel isn't playing for the Sabres this year (tank v3.2) and there will be a massive bidding war at the draft in '22 prior to the NTC kicking in on July 1.
Eichel won't come near the team this year in any scenario. There's literally no downside to holding onto him as far as I'm concerned.
Pony up GMs, or wait it out - Hank Balling
Well because the two scenarios were whether Jack gets traded this summer or not, cant be both
Wouldn't a downside be that the Sabres are throwing away yet another year by not essentially losing Eichel for another year with no return? I agree that if he heals by next year there will be a market for him for sure but I wonder how teams would feel trading for someone that hasn't played in well over a year. You could also make an argument that teams would offer less knowing they owe Jack a $7.5M signing bonus before he plays a game for them which is due at the same time that the NTC kicks in.
Well because the two scenarios were whether Jack gets traded this summer or not, cant be both
Wouldn't a downside be that the Sabres are throwing away yet another year by not essentially losing Eichel for another year with no return? I agree that if he heals by next year there will be a market for him for sure but I wonder how teams would feel trading for someone that hasn't played in well over a year. You could also make an argument that teams would offer less knowing they owe Jack a $7.5M signing bonus before he plays a game for them which is due at the same time that the NTC kicks in. - SkjeiStadium
Yes it can be. You asked whether he'd rather:
"get things wrapped up this summer or would you prefer to go into next season with Jack and see how things play out?
Things can be "wrapped up with Jack" while they also "Go into next season with Jack and see how things play out."
He's never playing for the Sabres again but they can very much go into next season knowing things are over. If the offers are retention + b prospects, the Sabres should wait. It's as simple as that
"get things wrapped up this summer or would you prefer to go into next season with Jack and see how things play out?
Things can both be "wrapped up with Jack" and "Go into next season with Jack and see how things play out."
He's never playing for the Sabres again but they can very much go into next season knowing things are over. If the offers are retention + b prospects, the Sabres should wait. It's as simple as that - Hank Balling
Ok that's fair. I meant "wrapped up" as "traded" but can see what you're saying.
Also curious on this and hopefully I'm not poking the bear with this one. Are any Sabres fans on Jack's side with regards to the surgery he's requesting? Take how things have been handled and who has what right out of it because I'm sure that you guys are rightfully pissed about this whole process, but looking from the outside do any of you agree that the disc replacement is a better option than fusion?
I tend to agree. Let me ask you this since you seem pretty level headed and open to a conversation. Would you rather take less for Eichel this offseason (not way less, but taking your deal, maybe Chytil, Kravtsov, Jones, Georgiev) to get things wrapped up this summer or would you prefer to go into next season with Jack and see how things play out?
This is of course assuming that no better offers from out west are made. Part of me sees the point that you can't let a guy like Eichel go for less than "value" but part of me also thinks that if he's as good as gone it's almost better to get this season started on fresh and start building something new.
To a much lesser extent, I had a similar thought with Buchnevich. He was definitely leaving, and you can make an argument that he would have gotten more at the trade deadline than he did this summer, but I think there are a lot of positives to starting fresh and letting the kids assume those roles and not be blocked by a player that wasn't going to be here past this season. - SkjeiStadium
I feel like the Sabres will have to take the best offer this offseason, however as you have mentioned the Rangers and Sabres are not good trading partners for a variety of reasons
Ok that's fair. I meant "wrapped up" as "traded" but can see what you're saying.
Also curious on this and hopefully I'm not poking the bear with this one. Are any Sabres fans on Jack's side with regards to the surgery he's requesting? Take how things have been handled and who has what right out of it because I'm sure that you guys are rightfully pissed about this whole process, but looking from the outside do any of you agree that the disc replacement is a better option than fusion? - SkjeiStadium
You're not. I appreciate the reasonable conversation.
I'm not a doctor so ima pass on the rest though. Both sides - I believe - have legitimate concerns
Ok that's fair. I meant "wrapped up" as "traded" but can see what you're saying.
Also curious on this and hopefully I'm not poking the bear with this one. Are any Sabres fans on Jack's side with regards to the surgery he's requesting? Take how things have been handled and who has what right out of it because I'm sure that you guys are rightfully pissed about this whole process, but looking from the outside do any of you agree that the disc replacement is a better option than fusion? - SkjeiStadium
Any reason why the Rangers org prioritized over Kreider over Buch ?
Any reason why the Rangers org prioritized over Kreider over Buch ?
Genuine question - Pegullaville
Timing. We signed Kreider before we won the lottery and drafted Laf and before the cap went flat. I think they would have opted to sign Kreider over Buch regardless, but it was never a decision to be made. Kreider making $6.5 to be the 2LW behind Panarin wasn't a bad signing with the cap expected to go up. After drafting Laf it looks like its going to be an overpayment with him on the 3rd line but he is a leader and brings a lot of things that nobody else on the rangers does so it's not the end of the world.
You're not. I appreciate the reasonable conversation.
I'm not a doctor so ima pass on the rest though. Both sides - I believe - have legitimate concerns - Hank Balling
Fair enough. I just listened to the 31 Thoughts podcasy with the doctor that recommended the artificial replacement and it's an intriguing discussion but I'm not qualified to give any real opinion either
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Aug 2 @ 6:36 PM ET
Realistically, in a flat cap era, you may have to retain a little to maximize the return. Not ideal obviously, but if it helps boost the return you could get, or gets more teams that would like Eichel but can't fit him in at his full 10mm cap hit to start to negotiate and raise demand a bit, then why not? Other than the principal of it - rangerdanger94
Realistically, the "flat cap" is a bullpoop excuse
Timing. We signed Kreider before we won the lottery and drafted Laf and before the cap went flat. I think they would have opted to sign Kreider over Buch regardless, but it was never a decision to be made. Kreider making $6.5 to be the 2LW behind Panarin wasn't a bad signing with the cap expected to go up. After drafting Laf it looks like its going to be an overpayment with him on the 3rd line but he is a leader and brings a lot of things that nobody else on the rangers does so it's not the end of the world. - SkjeiStadium
Very fair.
I personally would have tried to keep Buch and move Kreider but I obviously don’t watch very many Rangers games
I personally would have tried to keep Buch and move Kreider but I obviously don’t watch very many Rangers games - Pegullaville
They're both good players but the rangers have made the priority this offseason to become tougher to play against. Kreider is harder to play against than Buch is just because of his speed and size. I don't disagree that it would be a tough choice but like I said, they never really even had the opportunity to make one.
