An early message for Artemi Panarin

I’ve heard you are upset that the Rangers traded Buch to St. Louis. Understandable, players like regular every day folks form bonds with people in all walks of life. But now, it’s incumbent upon you as the most gifted, talented leader on the team to embrace the guys being brought in to help make players like yourself have an easier time of it. They’ll bang the opponents forwards, and defense every shift. They’ll create time an space for you, so that you can make those marvelous passes. Tom Wilson will never again throw you around like a rag doll, not on their shift. As much as an asshat the owner might be he didn’t shell out 11 mil per year for you to be abused . It got two good hockey men fired, they failed to act quickly enough, when it was apparent the team was full of talent and soft on grit.

Play hockey, no one wants to hear or read your political views regarding mother Russia or its president. Don’t cause the team to suffer with another absence while you holed up in Westchester while you debunk an obviously trumped up charge, when you and I know it was a matter of your safety and well being that kept you out of the lineup.

And by all means, please do not mention the return the Rangers got for a Buch, as though he was the second coming of Bobby Hull. Blias will go through the end boards for you and your linemates, greet this guy with a hug, and stop whining like a Ranger fan. Play hockey!
- OLDSCHOOL#6

It’s so awesome they play the Caps opening night so we can get the Wilson beatdown right away. He is going to get pummeled beyond belief all season by Ranger players..get yer popcorn ready

I think it's pretty obvious that the Rangers thought his arbitration numbers were gonna skyrocket because of this past season, and it doesn't look like the Rangers believed they were numbers based on reality in a normal season

it's why the rumors are out there that if they didnt like the aribtration ruling they may actually walk away
- jimbro83

I’m sure I’m in the minority, but the Buch trade was a positive to me.

-Sold high on a player for once
-opens up room for our future “Buch’s”
-return was average, but looks like it was the going rate for a winger
-less cap tied up at a position of strength

Love Buch and would have been interesting to see him follow up on a career year with a coach like Gallant that could have gotten more out of him, but the roster management benefits far outweigh the positives if he were still here.

I’m sure I’m in the minority, but the Buch trade was a positive to me.

-Sold high on a player for once
-opens up room for our future “Buch’s”
-return was average, but looks like it was the going rate for a winger
-less cap tied up at a position of strength

Love Buch and would have been interesting to see him follow up on a career year with a coach like Gallant that could have gotten more out of him, but the roster management benefits far outweigh the positives if he were still here.
- Bean_Dip

It’s the return people were freaking about. Like they were in the room and know for a fact they could’ve gotten more?. I swear I hate that more that anything in life assuming. you know what’s happens when you assume

Newsflash: they know as much as that spider I just killed last night haha

A solid bottom 6 player and 2nd rd pick (top 50’s-ish pick) isn’t terrible. But you can’t get through to some 🤷🏻‍♂️

It’s the return people were freaking about. Like they were in the room and know for a fact they could’ve gotten more?. I swear I hate that more that anything in life assuming. you know what’s happens when you assume

Newsflash: they know as much as that spider I just killed last night haha

A solid bottom 6 player and 2nd rd pick (top 50’s-ish pick) isn’t terrible. But you can’t get through to some 🤷🏻‍♂️
- Slimtj100

Nope..Drury could've gotten more..Wake up!!!

Nope..Drury could've gotten more..Wake up!!!
- rrentz

If the second was a first, I imagine most would at least be okay with the trade.

Jan, what do you think?

It’s the return people were freaking about. Like they were in the room and know for a fact they could’ve gotten more?. I swear I hate that more that anything in life assuming. you know what’s happens when you assume

Newsflash: they know as much as that spider I just killed last night haha

A solid bottom 6 player and 2nd rd pick (top 50’s-ish pick) isn’t terrible. But you can’t get through to some 🤷🏻‍♂️
- Slimtj100

I could say we can’t get through to u that the return was bad. It’s cute u stood up for ur brother when no one even mentioned him u dweeb.

I could say we can’t get through to u that the return was bad. It’s cute u stood up for ur brother when no one even mentioned him u dweeb.
- nyrangers9479

I find it interesting that when we trade a 3rd for Reaves it's the end of the world. But, if we trade for a 3rd it's just a player that has 13% chance of making the league, 4 years from now.
For Buch we got a guy we need, precious cap space and a better pick than the one we bemoan giving away.
I don't get it.

I find it interesting that when we trade a 3rd for Reaves it's the end of the world. But, if we trade for a 3rd it's just a player that has 13% chance of making the league, 4 years from now.
For Buch we got a guy we need, precious cap space and a better pick than the one we bemoan giving away.
I don't get it.
- Tonybere

We have plenty of cap space, i don’t understand this whole cap space argument. We had plenty of time to trade Buch during the season or at the deadline. I don’t think you should trade a top 6 winger that developed a complete 200 ft game and was probably our best PKer for a bottom 6 role player and future 2nd. Buch was a RFA, he wouldn’t have a choice but to accept a 1 year deal at arb worst case scenario. I’ve also never said trading a 3rd for Reaves was the end of the world, overpayment by a round? I think so. End of the world? No.

We have plenty of cap space, i don’t understand this whole cap space argument. We had plenty of time to trade Buch during the season or at the deadline. I don’t think you should trade a top 6 winger that developed a complete 200 ft game and was probably our best PKer for a bottom 6 role player and future 2nd. Buch was a RFA, he wouldn’t have a choice but to accept a 1 year deal at arb worst case scenario. I’ve also never said trading a 3rd for Reaves was the end of the world, overpayment by a round? I think so. End of the world? No.
- nyrangers9479

Yea, sure at the immediate moment we do.

But we wont next year once Fox, Zib, Kakko and Krav all get extensions. The 4 of them will eat up probably like 22m in cap space.

Furthermore, the team had to make the decision what direction they planned to go in on the right side. If Kravtsov is the choice, then we have to give him the opportunity to play an appropriate amount of minutes to develop his game. You dont sign Buch to a 5.8m contract, then dump him on the third line so Krav can get minutes. Then you hurt Buch's value by not playing him as much.

Yea, sure at the immediate moment we do.

But we wont next year once Fox, Zib, Kakko and Krav all get extensions. The 4 of them will eat up probably like 22m in cap space.

Furthermore, the team had to make the decision what direction they planned to go in on the right side. If Kravtsov is the choice, then we have to give him the opportunity to play an appropriate amount of minutes to develop his game. You dont sign Buch to a 5.8m contract, then dump him on the third line so Krav can get minutes. Then you hurt Buch's value by not playing him as much.
- aecliptic

We didn’t have to sign him to a multi year deal. Could’ve given him his 1 year of RFA and traded him at the deadline.

I could say we can’t get through to u that the return was bad. It’s cute u stood up for ur brother when no one even mentioned him u dweeb.
- nyrangers9479

i know you’ve never been wrong on this board, but...
..you ASSUME. YOU Sir Narcissist, insist you know what Drury could’ve gotten for him and then you constantly constantly shove it down our throats...Can I have his phone number to find out the same info you know?

Jimmy does the same thing. I’ve told him that lol

We didn’t have to sign him to a multi year deal. Could’ve given him his 1 year of RFA and traded him at the deadline.
- nyrangers9479

So, then he would've been a UFA after that, right? Which hurts his trade value. What if his good year doesn't last? What if he gets hurt? What do we get then?
This is what the market for an RFA winger was in July 2021 and Drury pulled the trigger. And moved his team forward in the process. Carrying on about how you know better is a waste of time and energy.

TJ knows what the GAG line is, no additional explanation required
- jimbro83

Hello Jimbro:
My explanation of the GAG line wasn't intended there for TJ. It was intended for only some of the closer to "kid" like age members who may not have been aware of it. I knew alone that TJ would have known its meaning since he first posted that nickname there, and with I being aware of him knowing you for ages as a close buddy on Long Island; as per some of your wild times together that you had mentioned on this site involving him in the past.

So, then he would've been a UFA after that, right? Which hurts his trade value. What if his good year doesn't last? What if he gets hurt? What do we get then?
This is what the market for an RFA winger was in July 2021 and Drury pulled the trigger. And moved his team forward in the process. Carrying on about how you know better is a waste of time and energy.
- Tonybere

Also I think Drury always wanted Blias. Just a different player who brings a whole new dynamic to the team

i know you’ve never been wrong on this board, but...
..you ASSUME. YOU Sir Narcissist, insist you know what Drury could’ve gotten for him and then you constantly constantly shove it down our throats...Can I have his phone number to find out the same info you know?

Jimmy does the same thing. I’ve told him that lol
- Slimtj100

I don’t bring it up, but I definitely respond every time u do. It’s amazing how many times you’ve brought it up and then blame everyone else for taking about it. A true bozo

So, then he would've been a UFA after that, right? Which hurts his trade value. What if his good year doesn't last? What if he gets hurt? What do we get then?
This is what the market for an RFA winger was in July 2021 and Drury pulled the trigger. And moved his team forward in the process. Carrying on about how you know better is a waste of time and energy.
- Tonybere

Who said I know better? I said I don’t think the value was there. I haven’t seen a single article written thinking it was either. It’s ok though, u guys think it was so it must be. The amount of times u guys have been wrong on things is amazing.

Also I think Drury always wanted Blias. Just a different player who brings a whole new dynamic to the team
- TPC

I’m fine with Blais. Said it from day 1. Just don’t think we needed to trade Buch to get him

I’m fine with Blais. Said it from day 1. Just don’t think we needed to trade Buch to get him
- nyrangers9479

As long as the rangers use the cap savings from Buch to upgrade at center, I am fine with it

I don’t bring it up, but I definitely respond every time u do. It’s amazing how many times you’ve brought it up and then blame everyone else for taking about it. A true bozo
- nyrangers9479

Wait you haven’t brought up the Buch return like every hour on the hour since it happen?

I’m sure I’m in the minority, but the Buch trade was a positive to me.

-Sold high on a player for once
-opens up room for our future “Buch’s”
-return was average, but looks like it was the going rate for a winger
-less cap tied up at a position of strength

Love Buch and would have been interesting to see him follow up on a career year with a coach like Gallant that could have gotten more out of him, but the roster management benefits far outweigh the positives if he were still here.
- Bean_Dip

The Rangers didn't "sell high" on a player for once.
They sold Buch WHILE HIS TRADE VALUE WAS HIGH; but instead, sold him for a lot lower than what many had expected, resulting in them upset overall with that trade, including of key, Jan right on this site. Furthermore, St. Louis media were shocked of the low trade cost required, especially with the Rangers wanting Blais so badly, for one who was in Blues head coach Craig Berube's doghouse due to his conditioning issues that affected his play. Maybe Gallant can turn him into a positive, but still, Blais and a 2nd Rounder for next season received were no where near the value of Buch.

I was upset mostly due to the fact that there were initially at least 5 teams interested in acquiring Buch. That despite still having to come to terms with him in a very short time in being a potential free agent soon. Drury even allowed interested teams to talk to Buch's agent, with his side seeking a long term deal which the Rangers couldn't afford at about $6M per year, given next Summer's cap issues facing them.

That was greater reason for Drury to work his butt off to receive as much as possible for Buch; instead of avoiding those others teams besides the Blues, who could no longer wait for his contact in being put on hold. That due to Drury instead working his butt off in attempt to land the uncertainty with Eichel; with Buch being the one roster piece in part up to that point that the Sabres would have accepted.

Who said I know better? I said I don’t think the value was there. I haven’t seen a single article written thinking it was either. It’s ok though, u guys think it was so it must be. The amount of times u guys have been wrong on things is amazing.
- nyrangers9479

Just make sure to remind us how many times youve been right about things because you sure dont miss an opportunity to do so.

Wait you haven’t brought up the Buch return like every hour on the hour since it happen?
- Slimtj100

No

The Rangers didn't "sell high" on a player for once.
They sold Buch WHILE HIS TRADE VALUE WAS HIGH; but instead, sold him for a lot lower than what many had expected, resulting in them upset overall with that trade, including of key, Jan right on this site. Furthermore, St. Louis media were shocked of the low trade cost required, especially with the Rangers wanting Blais so badly, for one who was in Blues head coach Craig Berube's doghouse due to his conditioning issues that affected his play. Maybe Gallant can turn him into a positive, but still, Blais and a 2nd Rounder for next season received were no where near the value of Buch.

I was upset mostly due to the fact that there were initially at least 5 teams interested in acquiring Buch. That despite still having to come to terms with him in a very short time in being a potential free agent soon. Drury even allowed interested teams to talk to Buch's agent, with his side seeking a long term deal which the Rangers couldn't afford at about $6M per year, given next Summer's cap issues facing them.

That was greater reason for Drury to work his butt off to receive as much as possible for Buch; instead of avoiding those others teams besides the Blues, who could no longer wait for his contact in being put on hold. That due to Drury instead working his butt off in attempt to land the uncertainty with Eichel; with Buch being the one roster piece in part up to that point that the Sabres would have accepted.
- RangerSaver

tl;dr

tl;dr
- Bean_Dip

That’s savers middle name

I’m fine with Blais. Said it from day 1. Just don’t think we needed to trade Buch to get him
- nyrangers9479

The bottom line is that this team needs Kakko, Laf, and Kravstov to take the next step and become legit bonafide top 6 wingers for the rangers to take the next step in contending.

What that means is giving those guys an opportunity to succeed with top 6 ice time and line mates.

So what does that mean for Buch? Either you sign him to a 1 year deal and lose him for nothing in free agency next year, or you sign him to what he got extended for just to ultimately slot him on the third line behind the kids?

And let’s be real here - Buch has had one good year in his career thus far, which was last year. You know what other forward was inconsistent as fck and then finally put together a consistent year which resulted in a big extension? Chris Kreider, who has reverted to his inconsistent ways the immediate season after signing.

I would not be surprised one bit if Buch reverts into his inconsistent ways that he’s shown every single year in his career thus far besides the most recent shortened year.

I also think we need to see what Blais can bring. I legitimately have not paid attention to this guy playing, and anyone else on this blog that acts like they know anything about him is full of poop. Yes he’s supposed to be a “4th liner” but a quality 4th liner isn’t that easy to get. When was the last time we had a legit 4th line energy guy that added value? Prust maybe? And we all absolutely loved him.

We need to wait until after the season to determine who won this trade. Is Blais Prust 2.0? Does Buch turn into an inconsistent 3rd liner in the first year of his 6 mil a year extension? What if Laf or Kakko score 30 goals playing in Buch’s spot in his second year?