I was only doing RHD. It gets far uglier for Seth if we move to the LHD.
- Elbows15

I love me some Pulock and Pelech, man do they hold down the fort, here’s hoping that McCabe and Murphy can play a similar role. As far as Jones, yes they gave away more than I’d have liked, and paid him more than I’d have liked. Yes, I know that your metrics showed that he struggled last year, but that Columbus team sucked last year as well, which am sure had some impact on those metrics. Dcat improved his 200’ game, Kubalik improved his 200’ game, Dach hopefully plays a full season, Hagel will have another season under his belt, Kurashev showed signs of being a contributor defensively and offensively, Toews back. The bottom line is they will be more entertaining to watch than the last few years, cup contenders, not even close, but me, I’m looking forward to this season. JMHO..
- Angotti

They aren't my metric. If it were just one site, I wouldn't pay it much attention. It is across many different sites and it isn't just one season. He has been trending in the wrong direction for 2-3 seasons.

- breadbag

Hedman
Slavin
McDonagh
Heiskenen
Chabot. There are 5

Hedman
Slavin
McDonagh
Heiskenen
Chabot. There are 5
- Elbows15

I think at this time next year you will be a fan of Seth, not sure if you’ll admit it, but I think you will

Hedman
Slavin
McDonagh
Heiskenen
Chabot. There are 5
- Elbows15

He's not as bad as you make him out. He is what he is, a #1 Dman who is a workhorse on the back end. He has his strengths and weakness but a lot of the issues with how he is trending is more about his team than him personally. The career trajectory of each player isn't a perfect curve or formula, so he can have some years better than others, but he fills a need for the Hawks. The Hawks paid him, but it's pretty much in line with a guy of his track record.

I think at this time next year you will be a fan of Seth, not sure if you’ll admit it, but I think you will
- rwilliams88

Even if he plays better, he should, he isn't going to move the needle much for the team overall. They are at best a bubble team. Like they were last season.

He's not as bad as you make him out. He is what he is, a #1 Dman who is a workhorse on the back end. He has his strengths and weakness but a lot of the issues with how he is trending is more about his team than him personally. The career trajectory of each player isn't a perfect curve or formula, so he can have some years better than others, but he fills a need for the Hawks. The Hawks paid him, but it's pretty much in line with a guy of his track record.
- breadbag

He is not a good as you believe him to be.

He is not a good as you believe him to be.
- Elbows15

I really hate to butt in 🤥 but he’s an excellent hockey player, a really good defenseman and we are better with him then without

I m just speculating what would you sign them to in there next contracts? Know it all
- Scott1977

Na, don't actually know much, just wouldn't want either of those two at those numbers. Hopefully it doesn't get to that.

He's not as bad as you make him out. He is what he is, a #1 Dman who is a workhorse on the back end. He has his strengths and weakness but a lot of the issues with how he is trending is more about his team than him personally. The career trajectory of each player isn't a perfect curve or formula, so he can have some years better than others, but he fills a need for the Hawks. The Hawks paid him, but it's pretty much in line with a guy of his track record.
- breadbag

I mean how many posters made excuses about Toews play for a few years there....it was his line mates and the Hawks relying on him to do too much of the heavy lifting.

The fact Jones was on bad teams doesn't matter.

I love this narrative that Jones is on the decline and not a top 10 RHD. Or I guess top 15 RHD now? But then we list all these guys in there early to mid 30s. Who I guess are not on the decline? Pretty sure every GM in the league would take Seth Jones over Justin Faulk or Jeff Petry. Give me a franking break.

Na, don't actually know much, just wouldn't want either of those two at those numbers. Hopefully it doesn't get to that.
- vabeachbear

What if they put up numbers to warrant being paid that much?

I mean how many posters made excuses about Toews play for a few years there....it was his line mates and the Hawks relying on him to do too much of the heavy lifting.

The fact Jones was on bad teams doesn't matter.

I love this narrative that Jones is on the decline and not a top 10 RHD. Or I guess top 15 RHD now? But then we list all these guys in there early to mid 30s. Who I guess are not on the decline? Pretty sure every GM in the league would take Seth Jones over Justin Faulk or Jeff Petry. Give me a franking break.
- bhawks2241

^^👍🏻

I’d rather have Boqvist, Sillinger, and next year’s 1st
- Ogilthorpe2

I'm kinda tired of sucking don't think Boqvist will ever carry Jones' jock.

I mean how many posters made excuses about Toews play for a few years there....it was his line mates and the Hawks relying on him to do too much of the heavy lifting.

The fact Jones was on bad teams doesn't matter.

I love this narrative that Jones is on the decline and not a top 10 RHD. Or I guess top 15 RHD now? But then we list all these guys in there early to mid 30s. Who I guess are not on the decline? Pretty sure every GM in the league would take Seth Jones over Justin Faulk or Jeff Petry. Give me a franking break.
- bhawks2241

Toews decline was so exaggerated by fans because they get carried away too easily. It's no question that linemates matter, no matter who you are in the NHL. It's a team game. Players can have good years and bad, but generally good players are good players until they are over the hill. I think the Hawks can't be upset about adding a dman who received Norris votes 4 of the last 5 seasons and has a lot of good years left in him assuming he doesn't suffer some form of injury or illness.

Kubs around 6 million
Dach around 4 million on bridge deal
Would imo about right. Just wonder if hawks can afford Kubalik next contract?
- Scott1977

Have to say now that's a bit high, more so for Dach he's trending pretty low right now even if it isn't his fault. He'll be an RFA wo arbitration rights Stan can fill in the blank.

Na, don't actually know much, just wouldn't want either of those two at those numbers. Hopefully it doesn't get to that.
- vabeachbear

I'm guessing but have to think if kubalik has another 30 or close to it season i think him and his agent starts at 6 million same with dach if can take that next hugh step and put up 40 to 50 point have to think a bridge deal starts at 3 to 4 million imo.

I'm kinda tired of sucking don't think Boqvist will ever carry Jones' jock.
- rpeters01

He might get there. Definitely a talented kid, but yet to show he was an NHL dman in his own end.

Agree or could have signed Hamilton who not great defensively but could skate the puck out of trouble lead the rush quaterback a pp take pressure off of bovist and still keep draft picks and boqvist sign McCabe to play with Hamilton. And drafted Sillnger allen and dach and have 2022 1st in deep draft.
- Scott1977

And what makes you think Hamilton would of signed here? Maybe Stan did inquire and Hamilton said not interested.

I'm guessing but have to think if kubalik has another 30 or close to it season i think him and his agent starts at 6 million same with dach if can take that next hugh step and put up 40 to 50 point have to think a bridge deal starts at 3 to 4 million imo.
- Scott1977

Kid's played one teenage season last year was a waste that's a big jump and a lot to ask. Let him play 75 games in one piece just get through it.

I mean how many posters made excuses about Toews play for a few years there....it was his line mates and the Hawks relying on him to do too much of the heavy lifting.

The fact Jones was on bad teams doesn't matter.

I love this narrative that Jones is on the decline and not a top 10 RHD. Or I guess top 15 RHD now? But then we list all these guys in there early to mid 30s. Who I guess are not on the decline? Pretty sure every GM in the league would take Seth Jones over Justin Faulk or Jeff Petry. Give me a franking break.
- bhawks2241

I guess I fall into line as one of those posters, but some opinions were way out there on his play. Toews did have ass linemates for a long time. I liked Hayden, but he is far from a 1st line guy. Panik is not a top line guy either. That list grows as tons of guys were slotted out of position to play with Toews. He also plays in every situation, like Keith did, on bad/bubble teams. It strikes me as fact, not an excuse. They burn out faster. But, here's to hoping for better ...

Have to say now that's a bit high, more so for Dach he's trending pretty low right now even if it isn't his fault. He'll be an RFA wo arbitration rights Stan can fill in the blank.
- rpeters01

Just guessing kubalik been putting 20 to 25 goals in first few years unless an injury occurs have to think he put up the same amount. As for Dach i m just speculating imo if does take next big step who knows.

I'm kinda tired of sucking don't think Boqvist will ever carry Jones' jock.
- rpeters01

Rather be stuck in perpetual mediocrity? You have to get bad to get good in this league, and you have to get good quickly before all of the up and comers get paid. Only way to do it is with good drafting, and high picks, while no gaurantee, help. All Stan has done this off season is kick the can further down the road. So they may not suck as bad as last couple of years, but they are likely now further from contending than if they had kept the 11th pick this year, and their top 15 pick next year. It’s robbing Peter to pay Paul, and that rarely works out for anyone but Paul.

And what makes you think Hamilton would of signed here? Maybe Stan did inquire and Hamilton said not interested.
- LAHawk

Good point at this point it doesn't matter hawks go into next year with what we got and go from there. It was just my opinion.

Rather be stuck in perpetual mediocrity? You have to get bad to get good in this league, and you have to get good quickly before all of the up and comers get paid. Only way to do it is with good drafting, and high picks, while no gaurantee, help. All Stan has done this off season is kick the can further down the road. So they may not suck as bad as last couple of years, but they are likely now further from contending than if they had kept the 11th pick this year, and their top 15 pick next year. It’s robbing Peter to pay Paul, and that rarely works out for anyone but Paul.
- Ogilthorpe2

Possibly no sure thing either way. Believe me I understand being stuck in the middle of the pack. Playing guys above the line they should be on because people think they're great like Kubalik assures that.

I mean how many posters made excuses about Toews play for a few years there....it was his line mates and the Hawks relying on him to do too much of the heavy lifting.

The fact Jones was on bad teams doesn't matter.

I love this narrative that Jones is on the decline and not a top 10 RHD. Or I guess top 15 RHD now? But then we list all these guys in there early to mid 30s. Who I guess are not on the decline? Pretty sure every GM in the league would take Seth Jones over Justin Faulk or Jeff Petry. Give me a franking break.
- bhawks2241

Except Jones was one of the reason they were bad. There is that.