Fixed.

And, what kind of dude knows the rules of broom ball??? You guys are so knowledgeable and amazing!
- underhill14

Ha! Turns out that’s not actually how broomball works - I looked it up on the internet.

Although that’s how it worked at the broomball tournament I played in university - many, many years ago.

It's true


Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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15m
Hearing also we are getting closer on the much-anticipated Darnell Nurse extension in EDM. Expected to come in around 8x$9.25M

We thought Chiarelli was bad, holy smokes.
- winsix

He better be buying Nuge his meals after the paycut he took lol

I’m not talking about gimmicks (used wrong word). I’m talking about women who have been running their asses off for mor than two hours now having to cover the full field with 3 or 4 players. Anyway synchro rules

https://vimeo.com/353695716
- Canada Cup

Simple rule:

My kids are not allowed to do any sport that they can’t continue to do in their 20s and 30s.

And if they can do it with friends in their 40s and go out for a beer afterwards, I’m twice as supportive.

Nurse 8x$9.25
- Canada Cup

I know it’s an awful lot of money, but it’s still committing to spend the next eight winters in Edmonton.

I do'nt think I'd say either are better at this point. Karlsson is even worse of a tire fire defensively than he was for years, but now without the offense. Burns is rather average offensively, and meh defensively. oh and he's 36 years old.

Hughes in vancouver is rather debateable as well. He's shown he can contribute but he was also one of the worst messes in his own end in the entire league this year.
- prock

I hedge on those with this: Right now, no one would trade Hughes for Rielly. Hughes is younger and has more upside. He's weak and a terrible defender, but he's smart enough to hopefully learn better than Rielly has how to at least perform perfunctory defensive tasks (like playing a 2 on 1). I like Hughes' offensive game more than Rielly's.

With Karlsson . . .I know he was always a bad defender, but I almost felt that with a stronger team in front of him and a goalie that wasn't Jones, he'd probably still look good. Similar to Doughty - if there was more to work with, he'd probably work well. But your point is not lost on me. I am certainly not adamant in how I feel about Burns or Karlsson these days.

Simple rule:

My kids are not allowed to do any sport that they can’t continue to do in their 20s and 30s.

And if they can do it with friends in their 40s and go out for a beer afterwards, I’m twice as supportive.
- Atomic Wedgie

I hope I can still play hockey in 40's.

Most likely gonna need to be in another league though, it's getting harder and harder to faceoff against guys in their 20's.

I hedge on those with this: Right now, no one would trade Hughes for Rielly. Hughes is younger and has more upside. He's weak and a terrible defender, but he's smart enough to hopefully learn better than Rielly has how to at least perform perfunctory defensive tasks (like playing a 2 on 1). I like Hughes' offensive game more than Rielly's.

With Karlsson . . .I know he was always a bad defender, but I almost felt that with a stronger team in front of him and a goalie that wasn't Jones, he'd probably still look good. Similar to Doughty - if there was more to work with, he'd probably work well. But your point is not lost on me. I am certainly not adamant in how I feel about Burns or Karlsson these days.
- Monkeypunk

Doughty was pretty dominant for most of last year.

If you're going to talk about hedging "nobody would trade Hughes for Rielly", let's talk about who would trade Rieilly for Burns or Karlsson? Anybody taking on Karlsson at this point would be looking for multiple first round picks as a sweetener (except apparently Ken Holland). He wasn't even NHL caliber last year.

Doughty was pretty dominant for most of last year.

If you're going to talk about hedging "nobody would trade Hughes for Rielly", let's talk about who would trade Rieilly for Burns or Karlsson? Anybody taking on Karlsson at this point would be looking for multiple first round picks as a sweetener (except apparently Ken Holland). He wasn't even NHL caliber last year.
- prock

22 points in 52 games.

He better step up a little otherwise no one is touching him with a 12 feet pole.

He better be buying Nuge his meals after the paycut he took lol
- AdamFrench

Agree, and the other ten forwards and goalie and two d-man that the Oilers will need to have in the lineup for just under $20M

It's a great point, and I was thinking about that earlier in the off-season. Where does Rielly fit? Which teams would Morgan Rielly be a #1 defenseman on? Here's my thinking (TL; DR: I think Pittsburgh, Seattle and Detroit).


Teams that could (at least in theory) use Rielly and would consider him a #1 by talent contrast:

Pittsburgh: He would be a #1 there. Letang was better at his peak, but not anymore.

Boston: McAvoy and Carlo are very good. Not as offensively skilled, but more rounded. To your point: on Boston, Rielly is probably not what they want.

Winnipeg: They have Morrissey who I love. Rielly is probably a better contributor, but it'd be a tough call.

Montreal: He might be a #1 there with Weber down. Petry is pretty good. I still like how tough their back-end is with Chiarot and Edmundson as cross-checking heir apparents.

Philadelphia: Provorov is certainly up for debate. I'm sure a lot would think he's better. He's more rounded, but Rielly is a stronger offensive contributor

NYI: Pelech or Pulock are both good, but Rielly is probably better than either one in terms of controlling offense from the back-end. On a Trotz team, Rielly probably doesn't fit in as well.

Calgary: A couple of years ago, I probably would have thought Hanifin. I'm less impressed now.

Seattle: I think Dunn, Oleksiak, Larsson, Soucy, Giordano . . .they're all fine. They are all great 3/4 guys, but Rielly would be a clear #1 on that team; Gio is 37 so he's just sort of out of consideration, but he was a better all around defenseman.

Detroit: Their defense makes Seattle's look like the best in the league. Jesus Christ. I hadn't looked at it before today. Speaking of Jesus, I expect that defense to have more holes than his hands. Yuck.


Teams that already have a better #1 option, and maybe more than 1:

Tampa: Hedman
Dallas: Heiskanen
Arizona: Chychrun
Chicago: Not now that they have Jones.
Edmonton: Nurse
Vegas: Pietrangelo
St. Louis: Parayko, but even with Krug there's an argument to be made.
Colorado: Makar; I also like Girard and expect a lot out of Byram
Washington: Carlson
LA: Doughty
SJ: Burns and Karlsson. Maybe long in the tooth and way overpaid, but both are better.
Florida: Ekblad
Columbus: Werenski
Carolina: Slavin and frankly I also still really like Pesce
Vancouver: Hughes
NYR: Fox and maybe Trouba. I've never really liked Trouba that much, but some do. I'd rather have Rielly.
Jersey: Hamilton
Nashville: Josi
Anaheim: Manson or Lindholm? Lindholm is basically the same player. Hard to argue you'd rather have Rielly.
Minnesota: Spurgeon, Brodin or Dumba? I like all three for different parts of their game. I suppose Spurgeon is probably the best of them.
Ottawa: Chabot (certainly debatable, but there's not a ton to choose from when they're at their best)
Buffalo: Dahlin. He's not shown it, but no one in Buffalo would do a 1 for 1 swap between them.
- Monkeypunk

man, Ek should sign you up to do a Leafs blog in Lucas' absences.

I need some of what Kenny Holland is smoking. Jesus (frank)

It's true


Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
·
15m
Hearing also we are getting closer on the much-anticipated Darnell Nurse extension in EDM. Expected to come in around 8x$9.25M

We thought Chiarelli was bad, holy smokes.
- winsix

Welp….. goodbye Mr. Reilly. Thank you for your years of service here in Toronto.

And if Dubas doesn’t trade him and let’s him walk for nothing, then I agree with Max….

Fire Dubas

Doughty was pretty dominant for most of last year.

If you're going to talk about hedging "nobody would trade Hughes for Rielly", let's talk about who would trade Rieilly for Burns or Karlsson? Anybody taking on Karlsson at this point would be looking for multiple first round picks as a sweetener (except apparently Ken Holland). He wasn't even NHL caliber last year.
- prock

Doughty may have a year or two left in him but his contract is easily among the worst in hockey. Other really crap deals IMO are Skinner, Karlsson, Trouba, OEL, Duchene, Bobrovsky and Price. This Nurse deal and the Hyman deal will bite the Oilers at some point. Rielly is going to get paid, simple, trade him to a team that wants him and get picks and a young d-man. Not smart to have all your talent at the top end of the earning spectrum at the same time.

Doughty may have a year or two left in him but his contract is easily among the worst in hockey. Other really crap deals IMO are Skinner, Karlsson, Trouba, OEL, Duchene, Bobrovsky and Price. This Nurse deal and the Hyman deal will bite the Oilers at some point. Rielly is going to get paid, simple, trade him to a team that wants him and get picks and a young d-man. Not smart to have all your talent at the top end of the earning spectrum at the same time.
- winsix

yea

trade rielly to VAN

Nurse 8x$9.25
- Canada Cup

crazy

Id rather have Pelech at 5.75 than Nurse at 5.75

and I think id say the same about Rielly.

Doughty was pretty dominant for most of last year.

If you're going to talk about hedging "nobody would trade Hughes for Rielly", let's talk about who would trade Rieilly for Burns or Karlsson? Anybody taking on Karlsson at this point would be looking for multiple first round picks as a sweetener (except apparently Ken Holland). He wasn't even NHL caliber last year.
- prock

I can accept that. I also think San Jose was dreadful last year. I didn't watch any of their games that I can recall, but the highlights I saw, they looked sleepy and unmotivated.

If they both made $5m - and let's say their contract durations were the same and not something that made your sphincter tighten like Karlsson's does - who would you rather have? Rielly or Karlsson?

Rielly is 4 years younger.

Neither can play defense.

I still Karlsson would have more offensive upside on a team like the Leafs - for instance he probably would be more dynamic on our power play.

If Karlsson's skating / offense has dried up, then he's the owner of the worst contract in the league.

22 points in 52 games.

He better step up a little otherwise no one is touching him with a 12 feet pole.
- Scabeh

I think "nobody touching him with a 12 foot pole" is a foregone conclusion.

I think him being worth half his salary would require better health, a system that allows him to focus on nothing but offense again, along with a partner that does the same, again. and a team willing to give him 5 mins of PP a game, again (i.e. a team without any other offensive dmen). Then maybe he picks up 50 to 60 points.

Otherwise, I think him and his contract remain as the worst liability in the league at this point.

Welp….. goodbye Mr. Reilly. Thank you for your years of service here in Toronto.

And if Dubas doesn’t trade him and let’s him walk for nothing, then I agree with Max….

Fire Dubas
- .HOHO.

oh yeah, if Rielly walks for nothing... that inexcusable

Doughty may have a year or two left in him but his contract is easily among the worst in hockey. Other really crap deals IMO are Skinner, Karlsson, Trouba, OEL, Duchene, Bobrovsky and Price. This Nurse deal and the Hyman deal will bite the Oilers at some point. Rielly is going to get paid, simple, trade him to a team that wants him and get picks and a young d-man. Not smart to have all your talent at the top end of the earning spectrum at the same time.
- winsix

Doughty played some top notch hockey last year, to those that were paying attention. If LA has a bit of a resurgence, don't be surprised if you see Doughty as a top NHL dman again.

I can accept that. I also think San Jose was dreadful last year. I didn't watch any of their games that I can recall, but the highlights I saw, they looked sleepy and unmotivated.

If they both made $5m - and let's say their contract durations were the same and not something that made your sphincter tighten like Karlsson's does - who would you rather have? Rielly or Karlsson?

Rielly is 4 years younger.

Neither can play defense.

I still Karlsson would have more offensive upside on a team like the Leafs - for instance he probably would be more dynamic on our power play.

If Karlsson's skating / offense has dried up, then he's the owner of the worst contract in the league.
- Monkeypunk

The interesting thing about Rielly is that he CAN play defense. He was used often as a defensive dman when Phaneuf was around, especially in the latter years. It seems like plays all offense, or all defense, never a combo of the two.

As far as who I would prefer, I would be shocked if there is any GM int he league that takes Karlsson over Rielly at this point, even ignoring contracts.

I think "nobody touching him with a 12 foot pole" is a foregone conclusion.

I think him being worth half his salary would require better health, a system that allows him to focus on nothing but offense again, along with a partner that does the same, again. and a team willing to give him 5 mins of PP a game, again (i.e. a team without any other offensive dmen). Then maybe he picks up 50 to 60 points.

Otherwise, I think him and his contract remain as the worst liability in the league at this point.
- prock

It's a tough battle between him and Skinner.

The interesting thing about Rielly is that he CAN play defense. He was used often as a defensive dman when Phaneuf was around, especially in the latter years. It seems like plays all offense, or all defense, never a combo of the two.
- prock

I feel like he has, for some reason, become underappreciated in Toronto.

Rielly is a very good defenseman.... one that you cannot easily replace.

You have to be good enough.

Loljegren seems to not be able to take that next step. He’s been given the opportunities. Menell, Duszak, Kral are also likely to surpass him if they haven’t already.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

He's been the best player on the Marlies for over 3 years. All that's left is to be given the opportunity to play at the NHL level.

Whether or not he can do it is something that can only be determined by playing him. Which is what I said. He needs and deserves the chance to show.

I feel like he has, for some reason, become underappreciated in Toronto.

Rielly is a very good defenseman.... one that you cannot easily replace.
- Scabeh

He really is. He may not be Norris level, but he's a solid number 1.

Toronto's best players always get scapegoated and chased though, it's nothing new.