All 3 of Makar, Fox, and McAvoy are looking like they are going to be elite d-men for a long time.

Makar would be my pick of the 3 but I mean you can’t go wrong with any one of them.

It’s like comparing luxury sports cars.
- Pegullaville

For whatever it's worth, Makar has missed more games to injury thus far vs Fox in their young careers

My only question on Fox is how much he wears down physically with the minutes he plays based on his size, as he's not a big guy.
- kingcong39

Trouba Miller eat big minutes too. Nils if not traded will play a lot of the pp also. Fox seems pretty durable also and is rarely hit

Out of curiosity, what do Kakko's analytics look like vs Eichel and other top forwards based on analytics?
- rangerdanger94

I'm going to use Eichel's last full season, considering he was battling 3 separate injuries and played 21 games. I'll also use 20-21 for Kaapo, and keeping in mind that he's still developing (same could honestly be said for Eichel)

19-20 Eichel - xGAR 21.8, xWAR 3.9, xSPAR 7.5
20-21 Kakko - xGAR 7.5, xWAR 1.4, xSPAR 2.5

I'm going to use Eichel's last full season, considering he was battling 3 separate injuries and played 21 games. I'll also use 20-21 for Kaapo, and keeping in mind that he's still developing (same could honestly be said for Eichel)

19-20 Eichel - xGAR 21.8, xWAR 3.9, xSPAR 7.5
20-21 Kakko - xGAR 7.5, xWAR 1.4, xSPAR 2.5
- TheSabresTaco

Obviously it looks like Eichel absolutely blows Kakko out of the water, but are Kakko's stats considered good?

Genuinely do not know much about advanced analytics at all.

Obviously it looks like Eichel absolutely blows Kakko out of the water, but are Kakko's stats considered good?

Genuinely do not know much about advanced analytics at all.
- rangerdanger94

Yes.

Kakko’s underlying numbers were good this year but his finishing is a genuine concern.

It’s why he absolutely can’t be the main piece for Eichel.

You literally can't.

The stats show Makar is better. Everywhere. especially Offence.
- DirtyDan

Sure you can.

Norris trophies - Fox
Durability - Fox

Those are pretty big considerations when determining who is better.

You also need to consider the talent on each team. I wonder how much better Fox's stats would be if he was on the Avs last year vs the Rangers?

Yes.

Kakko’s underlying numbers were good this year but his finishing is a genuine concern.

It’s why he absolutely can’t be the main piece for Eichel.
- sbroads24

No doubt. Guy has been on the wrong side of puck luck his entire career thus far.

Yes.

Kakko’s underlying numbers were good this year but his finishing is a genuine concern.

It’s why he absolutely can’t be the main piece for Eichel.
- sbroads24

He cant even be the second piece. He's piece #4 if Shesterk is involved

He cant even be the second piece. He's piece #4 if Shesterk is involved
- DirtyDan

Sure you can.

Norris trophies - Fox
Durability - Fox

Those are pretty big considerations when determining who is better.

You also need to consider the talent on each team. I wonder how much better Fox's stats would be if he was on the Avs last year vs the Rangers?
- rangerdanger94

It's entirely possible that the opposite is true as well. What if Makar is better on the Rangers than he is on the Avs? Can you say for certain that he wouldn't be?

It's entirely possible that the opposite is true as well. What if Makar is better on the Rangers than he is on the Avs? Can you say for certain that he wouldn't be?
- TheSabresTaco

Not for certain, but generally you'd think Fox would do better if he was on the president's trophy winning team vs a team that missed the playoffs.

...huh.

Not for certain, but generally you'd think Fox would do better if he was on the president's trophy winning team vs a team that missed the playoffs.
- rangerdanger94

Logically it lines up, but how many times has Ville Leino left the Flyers and absolutely bombed on the Buffalo Sabres?!

I mean, come on!

He cant even be the second piece. He's piece #4 if Shesterk is involved
- DirtyDan

Agreed and Laf would be a realistic add.

Not for certain, but generally you'd think Fox would do better if he was on the president's trophy winning team vs a team that missed the playoffs.
- rangerdanger94

Fox for powers and Eichel? Yes/no?

Hunter Henry going for a MRI on his Shoulder. That would hurt NE.

Hunter Henry going for a MRI on his Shoulder. That would hurt NE.
- Buff36

Frank the pats

Fox for powers and Eichel? Yes/no?
- Cptmjl

Yes easily

Fox for powers and Eichel? Yes/no?
- Cptmjl

Barzal for Fox?

Frank the pats
- DirtyDan

Exactly!!

Fox for powers and Eichel? Yes/no?
- Cptmjl

No easily

Exactly!!
- Buff36

As a Giants fan first we have some common ground.

Yes.

Kakko’s underlying numbers were good this year but his finishing is a genuine concern.

It’s why he absolutely can’t be the main piece for Eichel.
- sbroads24

Agreed 👏👏👏

Barzal for Fox?
- rangerdanger94

Barzal, Komarov, Hickey, Bellows for Fox and signed Zibenajad.

Barzal, Komarov, Hickey, Bellows for Fox and Zibenajad.
- Cptmjl

What package would you offer up for Eichel from the Islanders perspective?