I'm going to use Eichel's last full season, considering he was battling 3 separate injuries and played 21 games. I'll also use 20-21 for Kaapo, and keeping in mind that he's still developing (same could honestly be said for Eichel)

19-20 Eichel - xGAR 21.8, xWAR 3.9, xSPAR 7.5
20-21 Kakko - xGAR 7.5, xWAR 1.4, xSPAR 2.5
- TheSabresTaco

Wow, I've been thinking I was wrong, I do want this kid. Not sure the Pegula's are keen on trading him to an east team.

What package would you offer up for Eichel from the Islanders perspective?
- rangerdanger94

I can’t imagine an Eichel trade that doesn’t involve Andrew Ladd.

I can’t imagine an Eichel trade that doesn’t involve Andrew Ladd.
- Cptmjl

Hmm...what about Barzal + Lee + Whalstrom + Pulock + Ladd (as a cap dump) + 1st (for them taking on Ladd)

Hmm...what about Barzal + Lee + Whalstrom + Pulock + Ladd (as a cap dump) + 1st (for them taking on Ladd)
- rangerdanger94

Can’t do it we got rid of Ladd. Maybe we can get him back and make this happen sounds like a rare good trade for both teams.

Can’t do it we got rid of Ladd. Maybe we can get him back and make this happen sounds like a rare good trade for both teams.
- Cptmjl

I don't think Buffalo would agree to it honestly

I don't think Buffalo would agree to it honestly
- rangerdanger94

Add Sorokin?

I don't think Buffalo would agree to it honestly
- rangerdanger94

Barzal Whalstrom Pulock and a first definitely gets accepted. If they need to add more ill take Sorokin as well

Add Sorokin?
- Cptmjl

Beat me to it

Barzal Whalstrom Pulock and a first definitely gets accepted. If they need to add more ill take Sorokin as well

- DirtyDan

Really??

Kakko >>> Whalstrom
Nils > Pulock (Nils has higher ceiling)
Barzal >>>> Georgiev

That's 4 > for the Rangers and 4 > for the Islanders offer

How come you accept the Isles package but think the Rangers is laughable?

Makar is better offensively, but overall when you take into account both offense and defense, I would say Fox edges him out.

At the end of the day, the title of best player in any position is always up for debate. There are some people that would argue McDavid isn't the best player in the league because Crosby is better defensively and as a leader.

You can make the case that Hedman or Makar are better than Fox, but you can also make the case for Fox over them too. The fact that it's a debate you can make solidifies Fox as an elite defenseman that is top 3, no less than top 5.

Regardless - Fox for Eichel straight up would be fair value wise, if Eichel was fully healthy and wasn't pushing his way out of Buffalo. Because of those factors, Eichel's value takes a hit so it would have to be Eichel plus a pick.
- rangerdanger94

This is the first time I have ever seen someone say fox is better defensively than makar

Really??

Kakko >>> Whalstrom
Nils > Pulock (Nils has higher ceiling)
Barzal >>>> Georgiev

That's 4 > for the Rangers and 4 > for the Islanders offer

How come you accept the Isles package but think the Rangers is laughable?
- rangerdanger94

No. Kakko blows.

Really??

Kakko >>> Whalstrom
Nils > Pulock (Nils has higher ceiling)
Barzal >>>> Georgiev

That's 4 > for the Rangers and 4 > for the Islanders offer

How come you accept the Isles package but think the Rangers is laughable?
- rangerdanger94

Because we have a nice package.

This is the first time I have ever seen someone say fox is better defensively than makar
- Mentalorgasm5

Have you seen a lot off people explicitly say Makar is better than Fox defensively?

No. Kakko blows.
- Mentalorgasm5

The most factual thing posted so far today on this thread. Maybe for the month.

No. Kakko blows.
- Mentalorgasm5

Yea, blows Whalstrom out the water

Yea, blows Whalstrom
- rangerdanger94

Fixed

This is fun!!

Yea, blows Whalstrom out the water
- rangerdanger94

Kakko sucks ......... please stop trolling its annoying

Kakko sucks ......... please stop trolling its annoying
- Sabretooth9

Kakko was brutal his first year. Barkov sucked his first two. Hughes sucked. Dahlin has not looked like 1st overall. Not everyone is Mcdavid and Crosby. Give it time

Out of curiosity, what do Kakko's analytics look like vs Eichel and other top forwards based on analytics?
- rangerdanger94

Kakko was brutal his first year. Barkov sucked his first two. Dahlin has not looked like 1st overall. Not everyone is Mcdavid and Crosby. Give it time
- nyrangers2

Year 1:




year 2:






Very nice improvement from year 1 to year 2

- Hank Balling

Pretty close.

Pretty close.
- Cptmjl

KK is trending in the right direction. My one concern would be that his actual 5on5 offensive impact is sub-replacement both years, although it's still a small sample size and at 20 years old he has plenty of time to improve. He made a nice jump in year 2

Year 1:




year 2:






Very nice improvement from year 1 to year 2
- Hank Balling

Yup year 3 he must put up points. If not the bust card is warranted then.

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I like them...