And here we are again... back to having to do dumb poop to stay cap compliant.

Fun.
- Tomahawk

This is good business according to the corporate overlords that are running the team.

Hart is the 23rd highest paid goalie

Thank you! Yes! I don’t even understand why we protected him. Vigneault was frustrated with his penalties. He would even get scratched. When NAK saw his next opportunity to play…he’d take another penalty.
- SuperSchennBros

Good lord.

Nothing ideal about it, losing a quality player simply because of mismanaging the cap.

Thompson’s deal is only an example, but it’s wasting money on a player that further signifies Fletcher’s poor talent evaluation.

Meltzer will never mention it but that Hayes deal, as much as they love to force feed him on the fanbase is quickly looking like the albatross it is.
- FlyerFan3260

4th line players are a dime a dozen. Your 4th line should not cost more than 5 million. Laughton is overpaid for what he is a quality player who can slide into top 9 if injuries occur but best on line 4 in a checking/PK role who will chip in 10 goals 20 points. Aka Raffl/Pitlick who both make less than 2 million.

With Lindblom obviously his diagnosis derailed his trajectory.

Thompson is not a NHL regular but his 800k is not the problem. 800k for a 12/13 forward is standard & your 12/13 forward is not good hence why he is the 12/13 forward.

Not signing Thompson literally would have fixed this issue

Do you think Hart got too much?
-Therabbi

I think he did but not by a lot. If you compare this contract to the 2nd contract of Visilevskiy, which was 3 years at $3.5M AAV, it seems high to me because Hart really hasn't demonstrated he is in Vasilevskiy's league. However, that 2nd contract was signed in 2014, 7 years ago, so is it crazy to think just by normal contract inflation that a $3.9 AAV contract is an overpay? But then factor in the flat cap now and maybe there is a case to be made. Based on these considerations I would say the Flyers overpaid, but not by a lot. I would have preferred and AAV of $3.5M to give Fletcher more wiggle room with the cap.

Not signing Thompson literally would have fixed this issue
- ClaudeFather

If Thompson wasn’t signed to be the 12/13 forward who would it have been?

4th line players are a dime a dozen. Your 4th line should not cost more than 5 million. Laughton is overpaid for what he is a quality player who can slide into top 9 if injuries occur but best on line 4 in a checking/PK role who will chip in 10 goals 20 points. Aka Raffl/Pitlick who both make less than 2 million.

With Lindblom obviously his diagnosis derailed his trajectory.

Thompson is not a NHL regular but his 800k is not the problem. 800k for a 12/13 forward is standard & your 12/13 forward is not good hence why he is the 12/13 forward.
- Fopa21

Your 4th line should consist of a vet on 1 or 2 year deal making 1.5 give or take and young guy on ELC. They need or should be able t plug in prospects on ELC in the bottom 6. This will then allow you tp pay your top 6 scorers.

Same with the bottom pair d; of which they are doing. Good value there.

Laughton also struggled mightily the last 30 games. Didn't produce squat point wise. Guys like him should never ever get 5 year contracts.

Your 4th line should consist of a vet on 1 or 2 year deal making 1.5 give or take and young guy on ELC. They need or should be able t plug in prospects on ELC in the bottom 6. This will then allow you tp pay your top 6 scorers.

Same with the bottom pair d; of which they are doing. Good value there.

Laughton also struggled mightily the last 30 games. Didn't produce squat point wise. Guys like him should never ever get 5 year contracts.
- hello it's me 2050

Exactly!

If Thompson wasn’t signed to be the 12/13 forward who would it have been?
- Fopa21

Sam Morin as extra defenseman and forward. Problem solved.

They have helped put themselves into the position with the Laughton deal, when it arguably could have been explored to move him last season.

They seemingly forgot about Hart’s last season when negotiating this new deal.

With what they gave up for Ristolainen there no reason why Buffalo shouldn’t have been pushed to retain at least a million.


Fletcher bleeding value/cap space is a trend, and it’s on display with their limited aggression for a backup goaltender, as well as now.

Chuck loses in the margins, continuously.
- FlyerFan3260

I disagree on Laughton. He is the kind of player that every team needs. Can play wing or center and can move up and down the lineup. Re-signing him was the right move.
I think they could've resigned Hart for about 500K less. I agree that they overpaid for Ristolainen.

Sam Morin as extra defenseman and forward. Problem solved.
- Ftown19125

So,
Thompson 800k
Morin 750k

The 50k makes the difference

If Thompson wasn’t signed to be the 12/13 forward who would it have been?
- Fopa21

We have 12 forwards without him , one of those younger guys isn’t making the team and it would be them

Looking ahead to next year both Giroux and Couturier are UFAs. With Giroux currently at $8.275M and Couturier at $4.333M they will both have major implications on the Cap.
Where do you see these negotiations going? I would have thought Couturier would certainly command a higher salary. I am not convinced that Giroux would command a pay increase.
Do you see the Flyers trying to keep both players? Can they afford both players?
- MRK66

Realistically, I think both have to accept team friendly deals in order to stay with the Flyers. This means Giroux takes a 3 x $4M deal and Couturier takes a 7 x $7.5M deal. If they accept deals like this and the Flyers trade off JVR, they will be fine moving forward.

I disagree on Laughton. He is the kind of player that every team needs. Can play wing or center and can move up and down the lineup. Re-signing him was the right move.
I think they could've resigned Hart for about 500K less. I agree that they overpaid for Ristolainen.
- MJL

Yes, every team needs a laughton but not at 3 million 1.5 2 million max for that type of player

Pretty rough—at least the Leafs and Bolts are 2 of the top teams in the league. Cap issues yet again for a 'gee I hope they can squeeze into the playoffs team'. Paying the Coyotes a haul to get rid of Gostisbehere just to turn around and ridiculously overpay on Risto. I hope it's all worth it at the end of next season. We shall see.

Nothing ideal about it, losing a quality player simply because of mismanaging the cap.

Thompson’s deal is only an example, but it’s wasting money on a player that further signifies Fletcher’s poor talent evaluation.

Meltzer will never mention it but that Hayes deal, as much as they love to force feed him on the fanbase is quickly looking like the albatross it is.
- FlyerFan3260

You keep harping on the Thompson deal. That is not a bad deal. It's a good deal for a vet 4th line player.

Yes, every team needs a laughton but not at 3 million 1.5 2 million max for that type of player
- Fopa21

Disagree. His deal was market value.

One of Laughton, Lindblom or NAK are gone b4 the season starts
- Bayareaflyer

Can't see Laughton going at all. Very miniscule for Lindblom.

I disagree on Laughton. He is the kind of player that every team needs. Can play wing or center and can move up and down the lineup. Re-signing him was the right move.
I think they could've resigned Hart for about 500K less. I agree that they overpaid for Ristolainen.
- MJL

Regarding Risto, isn't it a fair possibility that he plays well this year and is a staple on our blue line for years to come? Is it also possible that the player Buffalo picked at 13 becomes nothing more than a bottom 6 forward, like most of Hextall's picks? Is it also possible that between now and 2023 the Flyers acquire a 2nd round pick? If all these things are fair possibilities, would you still say the Flyers overpaid for Risto?

We have 12 forwards without him , one of those younger guys isn’t making the team and it would be them
- ClaudeFather

Right but
Frost 863k
Cates 925k
Tanner 925k

Thompson 800k

So again the Thompson signing has nothing to do with screwing up cap space. He is actually saving you space by having him in that role & avoiding one of the kids being scratched or getting stuck playing 8 minutes a game & not developing.

Pretty rough—at least the Leafs and Bolts are 2 of the top teams in the league. Cap issues yet again for a 'gee I hope they can squeeze into the playoffs team'. Paying the Coyotes a haul to get rid of Gostisbehere just to turn around and ridiculously overpay on Risto. I hope it's all worth it at the end of next season. We shall see.
- Pixote Andolini

one of those teams is not like the other.

Realistically, I think both have to accept team friendly deals in order to stay with the Flyers. This means Giroux takes a 3 x $4M deal and Couturier takes a 7 x $7.5M deal. If they accept deals like this and the Flyers trade off JVR, they will be fine moving forward.
- jd250

Realistically ex selke tells you to pound sand. He is gonna get paid no matter where he ends up. 7 or 8 years. 8 million plus easy. Rooting for him to have a career year.

If Risto doesn’t pan out, we could theoretically flip him at the deadline for a first. How many teams were already willing to give a first for him?

You keep harping on the Thompson deal. That is not a bad deal. It's a good deal for a vet 4th line player.
- MJL

the deal is good the player is not.