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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 12:17 PM ET
Hence the categorization of "team friendly". If G wants top $$, I really believe he will not be playing for the Flyers.
- jd250


Have to be realistic. I'd be shocked if Giroux is not re-signed.
Bayareaflyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.10.2008

Aug 10 @ 12:18 PM ET
Hello, time to wake up from your dreams. Giroux is not taking 4M a year.
- MJL

If he's the ultimate team player he will take a series of $1M one year deals until he hangs them up
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Aug 10 @ 12:18 PM ET
Is Laughton much different than Raffl or Pitlick in the grand scheme of things? The answer is no & certainly not 2 million different
- Fopa21

I'm still miffed about the Raffl deal last year.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 10 @ 12:18 PM ET
Disagree. His deal was market value.
- MJL

Just like the risto trade was market value.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 12:19 PM ET
Thompson is junkyard trash, and if you want to believe different because the Flyers beats spew out fantasyland nonsense, by all means.

He got shattered playing shutdown against Barzal, and he has no business on a quality club at this point in his career.

- FlyerFan3260


Thompson is very capable of taking defensive zone shifts and playing on the PK as a 4th line center.
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

Aug 10 @ 12:19 PM ET
Thompson is junkyard trash, and if you want to believe different because the Flyers beats spew out fantasyland nonsense, by all means.

He got shattered playing shutdown against Barzal, and he has no business on a quality club at this point in his career.

- FlyerFan3260


No one is arguing he’s good. He is a perfect junkyard trash player to sit in the press box & occasionally play 7 minutes a game as 4th line center if injuries happen
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 10 @ 12:20 PM ET
& he’s developing by not playing? That is the opposite of developing. The point is to get the kids meaningful minutes. So you sign a stiff like Thompson to eat popcorn cuz he’s okay with it
- Fopa21

I’m sure it will figure itself out through injuries or whatnot, if someone has to sit for a bit so be it
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 10 @ 12:22 PM ET
To be fair I think the entire Flyers team struggled the last 30 games of the season. I mean, Fletcher described what it was like on the team last year, no energy, no smiles, just a glaze over the team. I really think we need to understand this and discount a lot of the struggles that were going on last year, especially towards the end of the season.
- jd250

tired of the BS excuses when it comes to this team
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 10 @ 12:24 PM ET
Hence why he is the 12/13 forward. It’s not like the signed him for PP minutes
- Fopa21

He will be overplayed like the first time he was here. Remember when he was getting more minutes in a game than Jake and Giroux. I member
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Aug 10 @ 12:25 PM ET
I'm going to keep an open mind on Ristolainen but I don't think he is ever going to be the player that you're glad you gave up what you did and on top of it had to re-sign to a relatively big contract. I think it is a big mistake to give up what they did for a player that is not cost controlled moving forward. I hope I'm wrong, I really do. As far as the 13th pick. You've continually down played the value of that pick. The comment on Hextall is absurd. Most of Hextall's 1st round picks have been good ones.
- MJL


I guess 3 out of 5 are good, glad i didn't get 60% in school though, but for hextall we can say that is good.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 10 @ 12:25 PM ET
If he's the ultimate team player he will take a series of $1M one year deals until he hangs them up
- Bayareaflyer

being a team player doesn't equate to being stupid. The flyers have wasted his career. Now that also falls on him as he should have wanted out years ago.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 10 @ 12:26 PM ET
No one is arguing he’s good. He is a perfect junkyard trash player to sit in the press box & occasionally play 7 minutes a game as 4th line center if injuries happen
- Fopa21

He will not be in the press box though. That is part of the argument I believe.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Aug 10 @ 12:27 PM ET
One of Laughton, Lindblom or NAK are gone b4 the season starts
- Bayareaflyer

Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

Aug 10 @ 12:28 PM ET
He will not be in the press box though. That is part of the argument I believe.
- hello it's me 2050


Well that we have to wait & see on. I think that basically comes down to Frost’s camp. He has to show he can play at 3C pushing laughts to 4C & Thompson to 13th forward
sasquatch519
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: VA
Joined: 08.10.2021

Aug 10 @ 12:29 PM ET
I don't mind the Hart deal and it seems like they don't have to do too much extreme stuff to get Sanheim in. I'm more worried about next year:

I think we'll be lucky to get Giroux at 5M and Coots at 8M. Could easily be more.
If Farabee keeps up his pace, he'll be due a large raise.
I have to assume Fletcher is going to extend Risto after paying so much to get him and he's not taking a pay cut in his prime age range.

The cap might go up a small amount next year, but I don't see any way to pull this off without paying someone to take JVR's 7M.


THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Aug 10 @ 12:35 PM ET
If Risto doesn’t pan out, we could theoretically flip him at the deadline for a first. How many teams were already willing to give a first for him?
- black_francis

with chuck negotiating
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 10 @ 12:36 PM ET
tired of the BS excuses when it comes to this team
- hello it's me 2050

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 12:36 PM ET
I guess 3 out of 5 are good, glad i didn't get 60% in school though, but for hextall we can say that is good.
- bradster



I'm a big fan of yours.

I'm no math wiz but I do know that Hextall made 8 first round picks as Flyers GM
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Aug 10 @ 12:37 PM ET
I don't mind the Hart deal and it seems like they don't have to do too much extreme stuff to get Sanheim in. I'm more worried about next year:

I think we'll be lucky to get Giroux at 5M and Coots at 8M. Could easily be more.
If Farabee keeps up his pace, he'll be due a large raise.
I have to assume Fletcher is going to extend Risto after paying so much to get him and he's not taking a pay cut in his prime age range.

The cap might go up a small amount next year, but I don't see any way to pull this off without paying someone to take JVR's 7M.

- sasquatch519


form what I looked at, JVR has to go, then they should be able to fit everyone in. JVR with one year left will have some takers.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Aug 10 @ 12:37 PM ET
I'm a big fan of yours.

I'm no math wiz but I do know that Hextall made 8 first round picks as Flyers GM

- MJL


well how do you want to grade some of the others like frost and JOB.... oh you just chalked them up as good picks? Nice job ding dong
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 10 @ 12:38 PM ET

- MBFlyerfan


omg
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Aug 10 @ 12:38 PM ET
well I hope the Flyers are reading this board.

I am thinking they can get some free training on how to negotiate, cap management and building a cup champ.

Someone call Chicken Little, we found out where the sky fell.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 12:39 PM ET
well how do you want to grade some of the others like frost and JOB.... oh you just chalked them up as good picks? Nice job ding dong
- bradster


Even if we exclude Frost and O'Brien, Hextall still has more than 3 hits. You have such a thirst to come at me that you don't even realize how you make yourself look. It's very humorous.
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

Aug 10 @ 12:40 PM ET
well I hope the Flyers are reading this board.

I am thinking they can get some free training on how to negotiate, cap management and building a cup champ.

Someone call Chicken Little, we found out where the sky fell.

- wcorvette


They have shown to actually be quite in tune with fan perception.

Or at the very least, trying to influence it. There was very pro organization leaks immediately post Hextall being fired, as just an example.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 10 @ 12:41 PM ET
Risto on NHL radio Sirius atm.
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