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SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Aug 12 @ 3:50 PM ET
you can make the case that the flames got a better return for bennett


Emil Heineman alone may be a better nhl player than levi and our late first from the panthers


and the flames got a second rd pick as well

- homiedclown


And they are all prospects. Isn't it conceivable that all 4 players bust? Or any one of them turn out to be roll players, or good players with top positional upside? We'll see. We all think the return is light, don't think you are finding many that view it not. Wish we coulda gotten Denisenko or tippett thrown in as well. O well, I'm moving on.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Aug 12 @ 3:53 PM ET
Never said it doesn't matter. Said it doesn't matter 7/8 years into your career. Different thing, choose to ignore it if you want.
- SDSabre

Sam Bennett is literally 7-8 years into his career, a career .33 PPG player, and got back the equivalent of 2 second round picks

It’s laughable to suggest his draft status didn’t play a huge part in that return

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 12 @ 3:53 PM ET
Yet you keep pegging Fla as a lock to make that pick like 28.. Playoff team? Yeah. They still will have to go through the Lightning and a couple other juggernauts in the East for that to happen.
- SDSabre

it wont be pick 14



best case for sabre fans, pick 20


realistic to see panthers as a final 4 team in the east making the pick somewhere between pick 25 and 32
QuinnFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Formerly Visionville, Now Purgatory
Joined: 07.29.2021

Aug 12 @ 3:55 PM ET
He gone unfortunately, time to move on!!
- Buff36


I don't wake up crying anymore.

It's a step in the right direction.
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Aug 12 @ 3:56 PM ET
Sam Bennett is literally 7-8 years into his career, a career .33 PPG player, and got back the equivalent of 2 second round picks

It’s laughable to suggest his draft status didn’t play a huge part in that return

- sbroads24


Do Yakupov.. Bet you wont..
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Aug 12 @ 3:56 PM ET
I don't wake up crying anymore.

It's a step in the right direction.

- QuinnFan

You have Quinn to keep your spirits bright.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Aug 12 @ 3:56 PM ET
Sorry I was MIA yesterday, long day at work

SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Aug 12 @ 3:58 PM ET
it wont be pick 14



best case for sabre fans, pick 20


realistic to see panthers as a final 4 team in the east making the pick somewhere between pick 25 and 32

- homiedclown


This is a reasonable take, they're going to be good. Idk if they have established themselves above the Lightning yet. We'll see. Just keep building the prospect pool. All we really can hope for.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Aug 12 @ 3:59 PM ET
Do Yakupov.. Bet you wont..
- SDSabre

What about Yakupov? If a guy is absolutely terrible, and not a hard worker, and doesn’t really want to play in the NHL, then of course he’s gonna flame out.

I’m not exactly sure why you think that a point in your direction. He’s the exception



Cam Barker played for 5 different teams despite being awful.
Hank Balling
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.18.2021

Aug 12 @ 4:03 PM ET
Just like we don't know if Portillo will turn out or if UPL takes the next step. Just cause Levi was a 7th rnd pick doesn't mean Sh!t right know he could end up being the best goalie in are system. Ullmark was a 6th round pick.
- Buff36


The only knock is his height but I think he's a dang good prospect
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Aug 12 @ 4:05 PM ET
The only knock is his height but I think he's a dang good prospect
- Hank Balling

Is he ranked anywhere on any top 50, top 75 prospect rankings?

He’s a C prospect. Hopefully he turns out
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Aug 12 @ 4:07 PM ET
The only knock is his height but I think he's a dang good prospect
- Hank Balling

Yes that hurts him, but he makes up for it with hie athleticism and edge work. He's a prospect Just like the other 2, we just have to see how it turns out.
Hank Balling
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.18.2021

Aug 12 @ 4:07 PM ET
Is he ranked anywhere on any top 50, top 75 prospect rankings?

He’s a C prospect. Hopefully he turns out

- sbroads24


I think that's the height thing and it very well might prevent him from being much more than a career backup but the kid is a battler. I'm sick of 6'5" goalies everywhere so I hope he beats the odds
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Aug 12 @ 4:09 PM ET
What about Yakupov? If a guy is absolutely terrible, and not a hard worker, and doesn’t really want to play in the NHL, then of course he’s gonna flame out.

I’m not exactly sure why you think that a point in your direction. He’s the exception



Cam Barker played for 5 different teams despite being awful.

- sbroads24


ROR trade from Colorado.. We traded picks 12 and 16 in Grigerenko and Zadorov for O'Reilly. Before they were off their ELCs. There are a million examples of this, probably both ways. I'll just believe that the further you get from the draft, the less it matters. I'm not gonna convince you, you aren't gonna convince me. Like I said above, wish we had someone like Tippett or Denesinko in the trade. WOuld have made it much more palatable.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Aug 12 @ 4:10 PM ET
I think that's the height thing and it very well might prevent him from being much more than a career backup but the kid is a battler. I'm sick of 6'5" goalies everywhere so I hope he beats the odds
- Hank Balling

I hope he pans out just because he’s a Sabre now, but let’s be honest no one has him on their radar as a future #1 goalie. He’s projected to be a backup/AHL starter.

Hopefully that projections wrong.

It’s just totally awful value for Reinhart
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Aug 12 @ 4:10 PM ET
if we are lucky


in 5 years we got another enroth and paille for the trade


it sucked

- homiedclown

Took 10 years to get where we were with Ullmark.

5 years is i would say ahead of timeline.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 12 @ 4:10 PM ET
Sorry I was MIA yesterday, long day at work
- Stripes77

seems every day is long lately

SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Aug 12 @ 4:11 PM ET
I think that's the height thing and it very well might prevent him from being much more than a career backup but the kid is a battler. I'm sick of 6'5" goalies everywhere so I hope he beats the odds
- Hank Balling


He's not Enroth small, so can be done. Also, it's a possibility that he grows a couple inches. Wouldn't be the first person to continue to grow at age 19.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 12 @ 4:11 PM ET
Took 10 years to get where we were with Ullmark.

5 years is i would say ahead of timeline.

- ImThatGuy

Hank Balling
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.18.2021

Aug 12 @ 4:12 PM ET
I hope he pans out just because he’s a Sabre now, but let’s be honest no one has him on their radar as a future #1 goalie. He’s projected to be a backup/AHL starter.

Hopefully that projections wrong.

It’s just totally awful value for Reinhart

- sbroads24


On a scale of underwhelmed to overwhelmed, I am here (x)

Underwhelmed--------×--whelmed--------overwhelmed
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Aug 12 @ 4:13 PM ET
ROR trade from Colorado.. We traded picks 12 and 16 in Grigerenko and Zadorov for O'Reilly. Before they were off their ELCs. There are a million examples of this, probably both ways. I'll just believe that the further you get from the draft, the less it matters. I'm not gonna convince you, you aren't gonna convince me. Like I said above, wish we had someone like Tippett or Denesinko in the trade. WOuld have made it much more palatable.
- SDSabre

I don’t disagree necessarily. Of course as someone becomes more established the draft status means less

But it absolutely matters IMO for high picks who have been in a singular situation, like Reinhart or Bennett

Florida thought they could get more out of Bennett, because he’s super talented and was a high pick. They look to be right

A team might think the same with Sam. He hasn’t lived up to a #2 pick, but he was highly touted, and only played for a poor organization
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Aug 12 @ 4:15 PM ET
Is he ranked anywhere on any top 50, top 75 prospect rankings?

He’s a C prospect. Hopefully he turns out

- sbroads24

Same could be said about Ullmark. He had a D ranking by Hockey Futures on possibility of success.
QuinnFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Formerly Visionville, Now Purgatory
Joined: 07.29.2021

Aug 12 @ 4:15 PM ET
I think that's the height thing and it very well might prevent him from being much more than a career backup but the kid is a battler. I'm sick of 6'5" goalies everywhere so I hope he beats the odds
- Hank Balling


If I may, you're 100% right on the height thing being way overvalued. Cossa going before Wallstedt is a prime example.

That being said Levi is years off. While he had looked great in that 7 game stretch, that was for a stacked CAN team as well. Keep in mind he hasn't even played major junior or NCAA yet. He's had one year in the CCHL, a lower league in Alberta, he won't be in RCH for at least 3 years unless something amazing happens.
Hank Balling
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.18.2021

Aug 12 @ 4:19 PM ET
If I may, you're 100% right on the height thing being way overvalued. Cossa going before Wallstedt is a prime example.

That being said Levi is years off. While he had looked great in that 7 game stretch, that was for a stacked CAN team as well. Keep in mind he hasn't even played major junior or NCAA yet. He's had one year in the CCHL, a lower league in Alberta, he won't be in RCH for at least 3 years unless something amazing happens.

- QuinnFan


Oh yeah, probably 4-5 years.

Power and Portillo are roommates. I expect them both to go pro next April. Portillo probably spends 22-23 in Roch and then comes up.

I am all aboard the Portillo hype train
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 12 @ 4:19 PM ET
If I may, you're 100% right on the height thing being way overvalued. Cossa going before Wallstedt is a prime example.

That being said Levi is years off. While he had looked great in that 7 game stretch, that was for a stacked CAN team as well. Keep in mind he hasn't even played major junior or NCAA yet. He's had one year in the CCHL, a lower league in Alberta, he won't be in RCH for at least 3 years unless something amazing happens.

- QuinnFan

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