I think they want EP locked up long term and QH on a bridge deal. EP is who they're going to try to build around so it would make sense to lock him up as long as they can right now at a reasonable rate. I could see him taking a MacKinnon-like deal 7.5x8 and QH getting maybe 6-6.5x3. That's fairly doable with the cap space available.

I'm also curious as their intentions with Boeser since he's now up this year, would he sign long term at or slightly more than his QO (7~ mil I believe) or is he going to hold out for more money and if so, is it time to move on from him in that case because you have Hog and Pod on ELCs that could conceivably replace his offense and a trade might give you an embarrassment of riches for him.
- DariusKnight

Boeser could go either way and should be explored . The obvious answer is he should be signed at 7.5 for 6 years or 7 but look at the alternative. I like also going the Carolina route of wheeling and dealing and acquiring young players and prospects.

Example ( it could be any team) Boeser for a young stud Dman like Logan Stanley and prospect Chaz Lucious. With the two young players it also leaves 6.5 mil available to fill a spot with another key piece. So it turns it into a 3 for 1 .

The names don't have to be the players mentioned but check team to team to see what the offer would be .

I'm also curious as their intentions with Boeser since he's now up this year, would he sign long term at or slightly more than his QO (7~ mil I believe) or is he going to hold out for more money and if so, is it time to move on from him in that case because you have Hog and Pod on ELCs that could conceivably replace his offense and a trade might give you an embarrassment of riches for him.
- DariusKnight

Boeser is an RFA so he can hold out for more money but that means he doesn't play - which is moronic. The Canucks have 27mil for next year - after EP & QH deals it'll be probably closer to 10-12 plus whatever moves they make next off season.

The money will be there to extend and that should be in the interest of the team considering he'll only be 25, so even with an 8 year deal, you'll be getting a lot of prime years/value. I don't even think Boesers reached his ceiling yet.

Replacing Boesers lost production with "hope" that a younger player will fill in the gaps is not a smart bet. If they can lock him up long term between 7-8mil its a no brainer. If for some reason things don't work out later you can always consider a trade for "riches" - but that should be a plan D or F

Boeser could go either way and should be explored . The obvious answer is he should be signed at 7.5 for 6 years or 7 but look at the alternative. I like also going the Carolina route of wheeling and dealing and acquiring young players and prospects.

Example ( it could be any team) Boeser for a young stud Dman like Logan Stanley and prospect Chaz Lucious. With the two young players it also leaves 6.5 mil available to fill a spot with another key piece. So it turns it into a 3 for 1 .

The names don't have to be the players mentioned but check team to team to see what the offer would be .
- VANTEL

I always like what Carolina does on draft day but man they got significantly worse this off season in pretty much every area and arguably made some of the most horrific moves of any team.

Out - Hamilton, Bean, Hakanpaa, Foegele, McGinn, Geekie, Nedeljkovic, Reimer
IN - Stepan, Leivo, Cole, Bear, Deangelo, F Anderson, Rantta - WOW/YIKES!

I always like what Carolina does on draft day but man they got significantly worse this off season in pretty much every area and arguably made some of the most horrific moves of any team.

Out - Hamilton, Bean, Hakanpaa, Foegele, McGinn, Geekie, Nedeljkovic, Reimer
IN - Stepan, Leivo, Cole, Bear, Deangelo, F Anderson, Rantta - WOW/YIKES!
- Brooks_Light

This year was really bad for them and I wonder what effect the pandemic had on that seeing the owner lost money ? Up until then they were somewhat of a model franchise in building .

I really do like this flat cap. It sure adds excitement to the offseason. I am keeping an eye on Arizona. They are going to ice an AHL team this year but they are collecting picks and prospects and I wonder how quick they turn the corner if the owner wants to get his head in the game. Arizona have 7 picks in the first two rounds in the next draft.

This year was really bad for them and I wonder what effect the pandemic had on that seeing the owner lost money ? Up until then they were somewhat of a model franchise in building .

I really do like this flat cap. It sure adds excitement to the offseason. I am keeping an eye on Arizona. They are going to ice an AHL team this year but they are collecting picks and prospects and I wonder how quick they turn the corner if the owner wants to get his head in the game. Arizona have 7 picks in the first two rounds in the next draft.
- VANTEL

No idea - but they're a tightly run ship, they currently don't have any contracts over 4 years in length. They've been drafting like maniacs for the past 3 years - so maybe they're relying on their prospects to fill in roles/gaps.

I am interested to see what Svechnikovs deal is - as I think it'll be slightly lower than what Petey is expecting.

Do your own research?

Stupid sheep.

No idea - but they're a tightly run ship, they currently don't have any contracts over 4 years in length. They've been drafting like maniacs for the past 3 years - so maybe they're relying on their prospects to fill in roles/gaps.

I am interested to see what Svechnikovs deal is - as I think it'll be slightly lower than what Petey is expecting.
- Brooks_Light

Barzal got 7M on a 3 year bridge deal and you want 5 extra years for 500K a season. Yikes.

Mackinnon had the same amount of points as Petey does when he signed that deal. Except Mackinnon played in 218 games vs Petey's 165.

Mackinnon wasn't as great as he is now when he signed his deal.

Edit: Plus that Mackinnon's cap percentage would be 7M now compared to when he signed.
- manvanfan

I freaking love this narrative. “Does he think he’s better than MacKinnon? He should take $6.5m and be happy about it.”

I freaking love this narrative. “Does he think he’s better than MacKinnon? He should take $6.5m and be happy about it.”
- 1970vintage

That would be great.

Do your own research?

Stupid sheep.
- 1970vintage

Speaking of which, cap friendly has the Canucks at 10.6 but I can't tell if that's with Ferland on LTIR or not? I'm assuming not. So they've got roughly 14.1 million to sign EP40 and QH to 8 and 7 million dollar deals respectively?

Also, that 14.1 million doesn't include Podkolzin at 925K.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/canucks

*Proceeds to post from Canucks Army*


- NewYorkNuck

I figured that comment would draw you in.👍

Speaking of which, cap friendly has the Canucks at 10.6 but I can't tell if that's with Ferland on LTIR or not? I'm assuming not. So they've got roughly 14.1 million to sign EP40 and QH to 8 and 7 million dollar deals respectively?

Also, that 14.1 million doesn't include Podkolzin at 925K.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/canucks
- LeftCoaster

Back read a page and all your questions will be answered.

Back read a page and all your questions will be answered.
- manvanfan

I hate back-reading through all the garbage

But, ok, if I must...

I figured that comment would draw you in.👍
- Reubenkincade

Hook, line and triggered.

I hate back-reading through all the garbage

But, ok, if I must...
- LeftCoaster

I think 5 years 8.5M for Petey and 6 years 6.25M for Hughes. 14.75M combined is do able I'd say.

Speaking of which, cap friendly has the Canucks at 10.6 but I can't tell if that's with Ferland on LTIR or not? I'm assuming not. So they've got roughly 14.1 million to sign EP40 and QH to 8 and 7 million dollar deals respectively?

Also, that 14.1 million doesn't include Podkolzin at 925K.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/canucks
- LeftCoaster

Capfriendly has guys like diGuseppi (sp?) and Bailey on the roster. It’s about $13m without LTI with a reasonable roster, $16m max, which means walking a tightrope during the season.

Their contract/cap guy is pretty smart, I’m sure he knows what’s the what.

I think 5 years 8.5M for Petey and 6 years 6.25M for Hughes. 14.75M combined is do able I'd say.
- manvanfan

With Makar signing for 9 million a year I'd think Quinn Hughes agent is more in the 7.5 million a year range even on a short term deal.

Capfriendly has guys like diGuseppi (sp?) and Bailey on the roster. It’s about $13m without LTI with a reasonable roster, $16m max, which means walking a tightrope during the season.

Their contract/cap guy is pretty smart, I’m sure he knows what’s the what.
- 1970vintage

If it is true that Motte won't be ready for camp either. A bit more space as well. A couple hundred at least.

Capfriendly has guys like diGuseppi (sp?) and Bailey on the roster. It’s about $13m without LTI with a reasonable roster, $16m max, which means walking a tightrope during the season.

Their contract/cap guy is pretty smart, I’m sure he knows what’s the what.
- 1970vintage

If Pettersson and Hughes are asking for 8 million (EP40) and 7.5 million (Hughes), that means there's a high likelihood they won't be at camp because there's not enough money....playing devils advocate because we all know if it can go wrong in Canuckland, it will.

With Makar signing for 9 million a year I'd think Quinn Hughes agent is more in the 7.5 million a year range even on a short term deal.
- LeftCoaster

Hughes is really not near Makar.

Makar Ppg is .93 Hughes .75

Makar plus 27 Hughes minus 34

Hughes is really not near Makar.

Makar Ppg is .93 Hughes .75

Makar plus 27 Hughes minus 34
- manvanfan

I'll agree, however, Hughes is one of the most dynamic young offensive players to come around in a long time in the NHL. Furthermore, Makar played on the President Trophy team while Hughes played on a defensively inept Canucks team that finished near the bottom of the league, again. Some of his defensive inabilities is the responsibility of the coaching staff and team.

All that said, 7.5 million is a lot less than 9 million and IMO not out of the question for a kid that can create offense like Quinn Hughes can.

I'll agree, however, Hughes is one of the most dynamic young offensive players to come around in a long time in the NHL. Furthermore, Makar played on the President Trophy team while Hughes played on a defensively inept Canucks team that finished near the bottom of the league, again. Some of his defensive inabilities is the responsibility of the coaching staff and team.

All that said, 7.5 million is a lot less than 9 million and IMO not out of the question for a kid that can create offense like Quinn Hughes can.
- LeftCoaster

He creates more offense for the other team and is fun to play against.

I'll agree, however, Hughes is one of the most dynamic young offensive players to come around in a long time in the NHL. Furthermore, Makar played on the President Trophy team while Hughes played on a defensively inept Canucks team that finished near the bottom of the league, again. Some of his defensive inabilities is the responsibility of the coaching staff and team.

All that said, 7.5 million is a lot less than 9 million and IMO not out of the question for a kid that can create offense like Quinn Hughes can.
- LeftCoaster

When you see the history of players like Hughes. Looking at players that can create offence but are such a liability defensively.

Look at Tyson Barrie. Short contracts, not nearly as much as he should get for what he has scored. How much of an anchor contract has Erik Karlsson turned into.

John Klingberg in Dallas, good contract but doesn't move the 5v5 needle for the team. They got a lot better when they drafted a two way defender in Heiskanen.

When you see the history of players like Hughes. Looking at players that can create offence but are such a liability defensively.

Look at Tyson Barrie. Short contracts, not nearly as much as he should get for what he has scored. How much of an anchor contract has Erik Karlsson turned into.

John Klingberg in Dallas, good contract but doesn't move the 5v5 needle for the team. They got a lot better when they drafted a two way defender in Heiskanen.
- manvanfan

I would argue there's players like Thomas Chabot and Miro Heiskanen who both get paid over 8 million who are very similar to Hughes.

It's easy to cherry-pick older guys like those two but you've got a young guy (QH) who's really only had one bad season defensively, which everyone and their brother will use as it fits their narrative even though it's largely a fault of the team, who has so much potential. Which older guys like Klingberg and Tyson Barrie don't have.

Back read a page and all your questions will be answered.
- manvanfan

I thought that was a pretty clear and easy breakdown of what the Canucks are looking at cap-wise to start the season and how LTIR works specifically with Ferland