Too smart for his own good sometimes

- Stripes77

Happens

Guess we won't find that out for a few years.
- Buff36

not really worth the debate. Kisakov, 2022 1st, Levi, and whatever top picks and prospects Jack gets back all have the potential to be high impact.

Sadly when you're trading away a top player and getting pieces back, they're never individually as strong as the single player you're trading. Of course, they could be at a later date.

https://buffalonews.com/sports/sabres/sabres-prospect-jack-quinns-journey-from-first-cut-to-first-round/article_67a5b136-29c2-11eb-979e-5f03fb6e4fcc.html

I'm sure you've read but Tis a very good article on Quinn
- DirtyDan

I didn't see this, much appreciated! Like the 500lb hex bar squat.

not really worth the debate. Kisakov, 2022 1st, Levi, and whatever top picks and prospects Jack gets back all have the potential to be high impact.

Sadly when you're trading away a top player and getting pieces back, they're never individually as strong as the single player you're trading. Of course, they could be at a later date.
- TheSabresTaco

How dare you do Bjorkie like that...

not really worth the debate. Kisakov, 2022 1st, Levi, and whatever top picks and prospects Jack gets back all have the potential to be high impact.

Sadly when you're trading away a top player and getting pieces back, they're never individually as strong as the single player you're trading. Of course, they could be at a later date.
- TheSabresTaco

Agree

not really worth the debate. Kisakov, 2022 1st, Levi, and whatever top picks and prospects Jack gets back all have the potential to be high impact.

Sadly when you're trading away a top player and getting pieces back, they're never individually as strong as the single player you're trading. Of course, they could be at a later date.
- TheSabresTaco

Every prospect does for the most part.

I like Kisakov a bunch, odds he’s an NHL top line player are low

Odds a 2022 late first rounder is a top line player is low

Odds Devon Levi is a starting caliber NHL goalie are astronomically low.

The Eichel return will determine a lot of this, but if we aren’t getting a teams best prospect (which I think is crazy) then the odds we get an impact player are also very low.

It’s a very grim return for three excellent players

Every prospect does for the most part.

I like Kisakov a bunch, odds he’s an NHL top line player are low

Odds a 2022 late first rounder is a top line player is low

Odds Devon Levi is a starting caliber NHL goalie are astronomically low.

The Eichel return will determine a lot of this, but if we aren’t getting a teams best prospect (which I think is crazy) then the odds we get an impact player are also very low.

It’s a very grim return for three excellent players
- sbroads24

what about the player we got for our top pairing D man we traded away too

Every prospect does for the most part.

I like Kisakov a bunch, odds he’s an NHL top line player are low

Odds a 2022 late first rounder is a top line player is low

Odds Devon Levi is a starting caliber NHL goalie are astronomically low.

The Eichel return will determine a lot of this, but if we aren’t getting a teams best prospect (which I think is crazy) then the odds we get an impact player are also very low.

It’s a very grim return for three excellent players
- sbroads24

Right. Hence the 'not worth the debate' comment. I get what you're saying. No one wants to be here. But we are, so as we look forward, we gotta hang our hats on our prospects, once again.

Odds of the Sabres winning the lottery were less than 20%. But it happened, twice in four years. Odds are odds because they're not sure things. Just like prospects, and just like their potentials.

As far as the returns for the players, unfortunately they're never fantasy trades. And when they are (Dubois for Laine, Anderson for Domi), you're just left equally as disappointed.

what about the player we got for our top pairing D man we traded away too
- SabresFaninIndiana

I like The guys they drafted for the most part

Outside of the Risto deal, Adams has gotten his face caved in on just about all the other trades he’s made

I like The guys they drafted for the most part

Outside of the Risto deal, Adams has gotten his face caved in on just about all the other trades he’s made
- sbroads24

3rd and 5th for a corpse was pretty good..

Right. Hence the 'not worth the debate' comment. I get what you're saying. No one wants to be here. But we are, so as we look forward, we gotta hang our hats on our prospects, once again.

Odds of the Sabres winning the lottery were less than 20%. But it happened, twice in four years. Odds are odds because they're not sure things. Just like prospects, and just like their potentials.
- TheSabresTaco

Because it’s tough to refute.

You can simultaneously have hope or like a guys potential while acknowledging the odds are stacked against them ending up being impact players.

I’ll stand by my comment that they probably won’t, but definitely see a scenario where Kisakov ends up being our best forward in three years. I just wouldn’t bet on it

I like The guys they drafted for the most part

Outside of the Risto deal, Adams has gotten his face caved in on just about all the other trades he’s made
- sbroads24

Opinions I guess, but strong disagree.

What was Hall's pending UFA, 2 goal, NMC self worth at the TDL?
Staal? Adams won both of those.
Montour? A 3rd for whatever Krueger did to him was solid.
Anything more than a pile of deer raisons for JJ? Solid.
Trading up for Peterka? Gold Jerry, gold.
Ristolainen (a trash can) for Rosen, a 2nd and a warm body? Another killer.

Buchnevich for a 4th liner and a 2nd < Reinhart for a 1st rounder and a developmental goalie

Don't let the Hall recency bias hit you. It's fair to be disappointed with Reinhart. But the market is the market.

"Quinn was a gifted athlete with raw skills, but unlike many of his competitors at that age, he did not train for hockey year-round. He spent most of his summer days and nights on the golf course and enjoyed competing in almost every sport, including softball, around Cobden, Ontario. This led some to question Quinn’s dedication to hockey."
https://buffalonews.com/s...eb-979e-5f03fb6e4fcc.html


Thanks for coming out though
- DirtyDan

all I got from this is he played many sports when he was 12, like everyone else

he was playing in the HEO U14 AA league at 12, 30 games a year

just like every other eventual hockey prospect

Because it’s tough to refute.

You can simultaneously have hope or like a guys potential while acknowledging the odds are stacked against them ending up being impact players.

I’ll stand by my comment that they probably won’t, but definitely see a scenario where Kisakov ends up being our best forward in three years. I just wouldn’t bet on it
- sbroads24

It's fair to say. And I get it. The Sabres are in the 'sum of the parts' mode because the team sucked, the coaches sucked, the GMs sucked, and the owners suck. All we have is hope.

Going over a half ppg in the AHL, with a hernia, when he would've normally been in juniors still, is impressive. He's not currently projecting to be a bottom6 mudder.
- QuinnFan

2 goals in 15 games in rochester


tage says hold my beer

Opinions I guess, but strong disagree.

What was Hall's pending UFA, 2 goal, NMC self worth at the TDL?
Staal? Adams won both of those.
Montour? A 3rd for whatever Krueger did to him was solid.
Anything more than a pile of deer raisons for JJ? Solid.
Trading up for Peterka? Gold Jerry, gold.
Ristolainen (a trash can) for Rosen, a 2nd and a warm body? Another killer.

Buchnevich for a 4th liner and a 2nd < Reinhart for a 1st rounder and a developmental goalie

Don't let the Hall recency bias hit you. It's fair to be disappointed with Reinhart. But the market is the market.
- TheSabresTaco

This is what I find funny though

- everyone brings up how we traded a Conn Smythe Selke winner for peanuts, despite him winning those after the trade

Taylor Hall goes on to play at a 35 goal, 80 point pace in Boston and yet everyone quotes what he did here with “2 goals”. You can’t have it both ways. He’s a top line forward.

I also couldn’t care less about Buchnevich because Reinhart had an entire year left on his deal so they weren’t forced to move him and had plenty of space to qualify him or let him go to arbitration

There’s 4 major players the Sabres have traded/are trading, and so far he hit a home run on 1 and struck out looking on another two

The way it’s looking is it will be 1/4. But I’m hoping to be dead wrong

There’s 4 major players the Sabres have traded/are trading, and so far he hit a home run on 1 and struck out looking on another two

The way it’s looking is it will be 1/4. But I’m hoping to be dead wrong
- sbroads24

I still can't believe people are pleased with the returns from reinhart and hall

OH MY




https://www.msn.com/en-us.../ar-AANqmAz?ocid=msedgntp

This is what I find funny though

- everyone brings up how we traded a Conn Smythe Selke winner for peanuts, despite him winning those after the trade

Taylor Hall goes on to play at a 35 goal, 80 point pace in Boston and yet everyone quotes what he did here with “2 goals”. You can’t have it both ways. He’s a top line forward.

I also couldn’t care less about Buchnevich because Reinhart had an entire year left on his deal so they weren’t forced to move him and had plenty of space to qualify him or let him go to arbitration

There’s 4 major players the Sabres have traded/are trading, and so far he hit a home run on 1 and struck out looking on another two

The way it’s looking is it will be 1/4. But I’m hoping to be dead wrong
- sbroads24

Did you ever end up keeping that envelope of cash?

This is what I find funny though

- everyone brings up how we traded a Conn Smythe Selke winner for peanuts, despite him winning those after the trade

Taylor Hall goes on to play at a 35 goal, 80 point pace in Boston and yet everyone quotes what he did here with “2 goals”. You can’t have it both ways. He’s a top line forward.

I also couldn’t care less about Buchnevich because Reinhart had an entire year left on his deal so they weren’t forced to move him and had plenty of space to qualify him or let him go to arbitration

There’s 4 major players the Sabres have traded/are trading, and so far he hit a home run on 1 and struck out looking on another two

The way it’s looking is it will be 1/4. But I’m hoping to be dead wrong
- sbroads24

Buchnevich was contractually identical to Reinhart. Similar player, impacts, RFA with arb rights, one year older.

I still can't believe people are pleased with the returns from reinhart and hall
- homiedclown

They’re more making excuses that don’t hold up.

Devon Levi suddenly being a great prospect is my favorite

I still can't believe people are pleased with the returns from reinhart and hall
- homiedclown

Who's pleased with it?

Buchnevich was contractually identical to Reinhart. Similar player, impacts, RFA with arb rights, one year older.
- TheSabresTaco

And the Rangers got criticized heavily for that deal. So what?

We didn’t have to make it then

2 goals in 15 games in rochester


tage says hold my beer
- homiedclown

With a hernia, when he shouldn't have been up there at all...yup. 8 pts in his last 10.

They’re more making excuses that don’t hold up.

Devon Levi suddenly being a great prospect is my favorite
- sbroads24

No. It's just that some of us have moved on. What exactly IS the point of rehashing it?