I’m comparing ridiculous narratives that what happened after one deal matters and what happened after another doesn’t.
- sbroads24

If your girlfriend dumps you, marries Brad Pitt and becomes a Hollywood star, that's worse than if she moves to Toledo to be a truck stop stripper off I-95, yes

i will tell you this tournaments are not a great judge for a goalies overall projection. Ask Jim Craig.
- SabresFaninIndiana

Uhhhhh. WHATTTTT?

Look at the names that get that trophy.

Dominator
Manny legace
Jose Theodore
Marc Denis
Bobbie Luuuu
Rick Dipetro
kari lehtonen
The Flower
Tukka
Price
Steve Mason
Jack Campbell
Mrazek
Gibson

If your girlfriend dumps you, marries Brad Pitt and becomes a Hollywood star, that's worse than if she moves to Toledo to be a truck stop stripper off I-95, yes
- Hank Balling

You the other day on the Reinhart deal - “ you can’t judge a trade right away”

You today - “we can judge a trade right away because this guy only had two goals”

Got it

I’m comparing ridiculous narratives that what happened after one deal matters and what happened after another doesn’t.
- sbroads24

Or are you saying that Hall was just as good as ROR post-trade?

ROR won the triple crown. Hall didn't win anything

Or are you saying that Hall was just as good as ROR post-trade?

ROR won the triple crown. Hall didn't win anything
- Hank Balling

one guy had 23pts in 26games and won the cup.... the other scores 3 goals in 11 games...

Seems pretty similar to me

Or are you saying that Hall was just as good as ROR post-trade?

ROR won the triple crown. Hall didn't win anything
- Hank Balling

What I’m saying is Hall having two goals is just as irrelevant as him having 8 in the 16 games after.

He’s been a great player most of his career and 33 games doesn’t change it

It was a terrible trade then, and terrible now.

Same with ROR. His trophies are meaningless in terms of the trade. The trade sucked then and sucks now regardless of what has happened since

You the other day on the Reinhart deal - “ you can’t judge a trade right away”

You today - “we can judge a trade right away because this guy only had two goals”

Got it
- sbroads24

If:

1.) ROR was a rental
2.) The Sabres acquired ROR for free
2b.) Hall won the Selke, Conn Smythe and Cup
3.) The Sabres took Sobotka and Berglund back for Hall

Then I would agree the situations are similar

What I’m saying is Hall having two goals is just as irrelevant as him having 8 in the 16 games after.

He’s been a great player most of his career and 33 games doesn’t change it

It was a terrible trade then, and terrible now.

Same with ROR. His trophies are meaningless in terms of the trade. The trade sucked then and sucks now regardless of what has happened since
- sbroads24

Ya we should have kept Hall

If:

1.) ROR was a rental
2.) The Sabres acquired ROR for free
2.) Hall won the Selke, Conn Smythe and Cup
3.) The Sabres took Sobotka and Berglund back for Hall

Then I would agree the situations are similar
- Hank Balling

So Hall being a PPG player doesn’t matter because his team didn’t make the cup finals?

You realize how flawed that is right?

The dude literally won an MVP a few years before we got him.

I hope the kid works out, but there are only 30 or so “starting goalies” in the NHL.

It’s not like a top 6 prospect where there’s 100-120 of them

The odds Levi ends up a good starting goalie are about 1/100.

It’s a big reason why the deal is so damn terrible
- sbroads24

top-20 goalies (listed via their cap-hit at capfriendly)

price--5th overall
bob--undrafted
vasi--19th overall
fleury--1st overall
gibson--2nd round (39th)
murray--3rd (83)
hellebucyk--5th (130)
markstrom--2nd (31)
binnington--3rd (88)
grubauer--4th (112)
quick--3rd (72)
shesterkin--4th (118)
ullmark--6th (163)
saros--4th (99)
lehner--2nd (46)
varly--23rd overall
demko--2nd (36)
bishop--3rd (85)
koskinen--2nd (31)
anderson--3rd (87)

its' all over the place with goalies

So Hall being a PPG player doesn’t matter because his team didn’t make the cup finals?

You realize how flawed that is right?

The dude literally won an MVP a few years before we got him.
- sbroads24

I just can't get worked up over trading a free asset for a 2nd and a roster player. Especially with the season Hall had.

So Hall being a PPG player doesn’t matter because his team didn’t make the cup finals?

You realize how flawed that is right?

The dude literally won an MVP a few years before we got him.
- sbroads24

wasn't hall's lone destination, via his ntc, Boston?...and doesn't that put the sabres in a bind?...especially when it was said that they had a supposedly better deal in place with vgk, but hall nixed it

I just can't get worked up over trading a free asset for a 2nd and a roster player. Especially with the season Hall had.
- Hank Balling

We traded a roster player too. One that’s about as good or even better than Bjork.

They traded a first line player for a pick in the 50’s.

You don’t have to get worked up. But it’s ok to acknowledge how bad it is.

Like the woke kids say, keep that same energy when the 2 goal captain is traded for peanuts (he also has won absolutely nothing)

We traded a roster player too. One that’s about as good or even better than Bjork.

They traded a first line player for a pick in the 50’s.

You don’t have to get worked up. But it’s ok to acknowledge how bad it is.

Like the woke kids say, keep that same energy when the 2 goal captain is traded for peanuts (he also has won absolutely nothing)
- sbroads24

You're right about me leaving out Lazar.

I wish we had him now so that Eakin was 100% in the pressbox. Lazar's a firecracker.

We traded a roster player too. One that’s about as good or even better than Bjork.

They traded a first line player for a pick in the 50’s.

You don’t have to get worked up. But it’s ok to acknowledge how bad it is.

Like the woke kids say, keep that same energy when the 2 goal captain is traded for peanuts (he also has won absolutely nothing)
- sbroads24

You left out the most important part.


HE ONLY WANTED TO GO TO BOSTON.

frank man... get a clue

You left out the most important part.


HE ONLY WANTED TO GO TO BOSTON.

frank man... get a clue
- DirtyDan

He said himself that was false.

You are more than welcome to find the quote since this has been brought up numerous times and it also doesn’t change that the trade sucked. Oh well

He said himself that was false.

You are more than welcome to find the quote since this has been brought up numerous times and it also doesn’t change that the trade sucked. Oh well
- sbroads24

I don't think he really said that. Without finding the quote, I believe it came down to a couple of choices and he "really wanted to go to Boston".

Think that's all you really need to know.

He said himself that was false.

You are more than welcome to find the quote since this has been brought up numerous times and it also doesn’t change that the trade sucked. Oh well
- sbroads24

He'll say whatever he needs to tomake himself look better. And he didn't say "I would have gone somewhere else" L8


It was reported multiple times the Sabres had a better deal.

I don't think he really said that. Without finding the quote, I believe it came down to a couple of choices and he "really wanted to go to Boston".

Think that's all you really need to know.
- TheSabresTaco

I’m not going over this entire thing again.

He would’ve chose to go somewhere else instead of not being traded. That’s basically what he said. He said it wasn’t Boston or nothing.

And again, it changes nothing to the overall point of them getting a collective return of Richard for top line players

I’m not going over this entire thing again.

He would’ve chose to go somewhere else instead of not being traded. That’s basically what he said. He said it wasn’t Boston or nothing.

And again, it changes nothing to the overall point of them getting a collective return of Richard for top line players
- sbroads24

Lazar is a top line player?

I know your not talking about Reinhart cause we got a first and a top goalie prospect. For a guy who could've went to Arb took a 1 year 7 million deal and facked off after the year was over.

I’m not going over this entire thing again.

He would’ve chose to go somewhere else instead of not being traded. That’s basically what he said. He said it wasn’t Boston or nothing.

And again, it changes nothing to the overall point of them getting a collective return of Richard for top line players
- sbroads24

After he was dealt at the deadline, Hall admitted he used the no-movement clause in his one-year contract to influence the process that led to Buffalo sending him and Curtis Lazar to Boston for Anders Bjork and a second-round pick. The Sabres retained half of Hall’s salary to make the cap numbers work.

“The no-movement clause really helped me become a Bruin,” Hall said in a media teleconference the next day. “Since I knew I would be traded for the last few weeks, it was a team I really wanted to join and I wanted to be a part of.”

After he was dealt at the deadline, Hall admitted he used the no-movement clause in his one-year contract to influence the process that led to Buffalo sending him and Curtis Lazar to Boston for Anders Bjork and a second-round pick. The Sabres retained half of Hall’s salary to make the cap numbers work.

“The no-movement clause really helped me become a Bruin,” Hall said in a media teleconference the next day. “Since I knew I would be traded for the last few weeks, it was a team I really wanted to join and I wanted to be a part of.”
- TheSabresTaco

It MaKeS nO DiFfErNcE We GoT RiChArD

wasn't hall's lone destination, via his ntc, Boston?...and doesn't that put the sabres in a bind?...especially when it was said that they had a supposedly better deal in place with vgk, but hall nixed it
- Michael Pachla

And the trade matched a player with past accomplishments, not present ones. Along with a pending UFA and NMC contract.

Sure would have liked Studnicka and a 1st. Oh well.

I mean, it was either

A) Bjork and Kisakov
B) A handful of poop covered baby wipes

After he was dealt at the deadline, Hall admitted he used the no-movement clause in his one-year contract to influence the process that led to Buffalo sending him and Curtis Lazar to Boston for Anders Bjork and a second-round pick. The Sabres retained half of Hall’s salary to make the cap numbers work.

“The no-movement clause really helped me become a Bruin,” Hall said in a media teleconference the next day. “Since I knew I would be traded for the last few weeks, it was a team I really wanted to join and I wanted to be a part of.”
- TheSabresTaco

What I’m referencing is his interview after that and I’m sure you know that