I know this seems like high expectations, but Hayes needs and I mean NEEDS a 20+ goal 65+ season with good consistent play. His contract is just way too damn big for him to float through the season on merit.
- Glak18

A season like 2019-20 from him would be fine.

this should make everyone happy

https://flyersnittygritty...couturiers-next-contract/
- wcorvette

deserves every penny.

What if... Listening to Fletch on Steph's podcast, it seems that they are truly believing last season was an "one-off" and we should bounce back to 19-20 level. With the additions he made and the returning players bouncing back, I think we should fight for a top 2 spot in Metro.

Now, that is a big what if. But, as always, I'm a believer.

In regards to the prospect camp, if a few of them don't show up and separate themselves physically as well as on the ice, it is a waste. Frost and Allison should be much more physically mature than most of these kids. They should dominate. There are others that should stand out too.

Let's go boys!

A season like 2019-20 from him would be fine.
- bmeltzer

How long until the entire front office is full of Minnesota rejects?

What if... Listening to Fletch on Steph's podcast, it seems that they are truly believing last season was an "one-off" and we should bounce back to 19-20 level. With the additions he made and the returning players bouncing back, I think we should fight for a top 2 spot in Metro.

Now, that is a big what if. But, as always, I'm a believer.

In regards to the prospect camp, if a few of them don't show up and separate themselves physically as well as on the ice, it is a waste. Frost and Allison should be much more physically mature than most of these kids. They should dominate. There are others that should stand out too.

Let's go boys!
- cdearth23

After such a disappointing season some forget how good they were two season’s ago. At one point (right before the pause) they topped the power rankings and were considered one of the favorites to push for a cup. They have enough talent if the mix works out.

As far as Frost and Allison. The Flyers always have a couple high end talents at this camp. At least in the last 5 or 6 years. It’s nice with that pipeline. Guys like York and Zamula will be strong also. I always hated missing the college talent though.

I know this seems like high expectations, but Hayes needs and I mean NEEDS a 20+ goal 65+ season with good consistent play. His contract is just way too damn big for him to float through the season on merit.
- Glak18

20 goals and 50-55 points is more realistic.

How long until the entire front office is full of Minnesota rejects?
- corduroy

Actually, I think Bronwell is one good hire from Minny. Fletcher knows him well. It’s a promotion from assistant to head equipment manager. The Wild were sad to see him go. Bronwell is really good at his job. Players, coaches and media all like him. A really funny guy who should be a good fit.

Watching the Atkinson video , the training facility we have looked immaculate. And of course Morin was in there working out!

I know this seems like high expectations, but Hayes needs and I mean NEEDS a 20+ goal 65+ season with good consistent play. His contract is just way too damn big for him to float through the season on merit.
- Glak18

if he matches his first season he will be bring the value needed for the cap hit, close to

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After such a disappointing season some forget how good they were two season’s ago. At one point (right before the pause) they topped the power rankings and were considered one of the favorites to push for a cup. They have enough talent if the mix works out.

As far as Frost and Allison. The Flyers always have a couple high end talents at this camp. At least in the last 5 or 6 years. It’s nice with that pipeline. Guys like York and Zamula will be strong also. I always hated missing the college talent though.
- peesinwind

It's the stupid NCAA rules that prevent it.

It's the stupid NCAA rules that prevent it.
- Letterkenney

Why would they want their guys going to a dev camp right before the season. It’s the same week as those guys going back to school and skating / working out with their team.

It's the stupid NCAA rules that prevent it.
- Letterkenney

I actually think they (college guys) can go to development camp but they have to pay their way. Correct me if I’m wrong Bill.

Wonder how much it cost. I’m sure not many college boys can swing the cost.

What is so risky about Coots?
- ClaudeFather

Most likely a 7-8 year term...ends when he is 36-37 years old. Yeah yeah I know, but Bergeron is 36. Well facts are facts and Bergeron is an exception, which means it happens very rarely for a player to be that age AND be a productive player. Another thing that is even more rare, a team having a player that has a cap hit of 8-9m playing limited minutes and win.

20 goals and 50-55 points is more realistic.
- MJL

I don't expect him to be a 65+ point producer for the rest of the contract, but for 49 million at least he could do is have a reasonable career best.

Update: I just realized that if Hayes has a career high than that most likely means something major happened and he has to slot in with more minutes. Not sure I would like that.

I actually think they (college guys) can go to development camp but they have to pay their way. Correct me if I’m wrong Bill.

Wonder how much it cost. I’m sure not many college boys can swing the cost.
- peesinwind

NCAA rules allow for players to attend one camp (at their own expense) and one camp only during their collegiate career. Additionally, the camp may not overlap with a scholastic semester. This includes summer session classes if the player is enrolled over the summer.

I don't expect him to be a 65+ point producer for the rest of the contract, but for 49 million at least he could do is have a reasonable career best.

Update: I just realized that if Hayes has a career high than that most likely means something major happened and he has to slot in with more minutes. Not sure I would like that.
- Glak18

Two season’s ago Hayes had a very effective season. I was very happy with him. He was okay hurt. We know that so I’m hopeful that he will improve his play from last year.

NCAA rules allow for players to attend one camp (at their own expense) and one camp only during their collegiate career. Additionally, the camp may not overlap with a scholastic semester. This includes summer session classes if the player is enrolled over the summer.
- bmeltzer

Thanks Bill. Any idea how much it would cost to attend a camp…roughly of course?

It's the stupid NCAA rules that prevent it.
- Letterkenney

will the new college athletes can get paid rule change things?

Two season’s ago Hayes had a very effective season. I was very happy with him. He was okay hurt. We know that so I’m hopeful that he will improve his play from last year.
- peesinwind

2 seasons ago was cool, but I care about this season...not 2 years ago.

It's the stupid NCAA rules that prevent it.
- Letterkenney

This may change soon. They can now be paid for advertisements.

Thanks Bill. Any idea how much it would cost to attend a camp…roughly of course?
- peesinwind

By rule, there are things that teams can cover or assist with for up to 48 hours at camp, including travel. However, if attending for longer than 48 hours, all expenses fall on the player including food and lodging. That said, there are de minimus things the NCAA isn't likely to get too bent out of shape about. For example, if the NHL team brings in food for all camp attendees, the NCAA isn't likely to insist that a player turn down the catered meal and pay for his own food when he's on-site all day.

By rule, there are things that teams can cover or assist with for up to 48 hours at camp, including travel. However, if attending for longer than 48 hours, all expenses fall on the player including food and lodging. That said, there are de minimus things the NCAA isn't likely to get too bent out of shape about. For example, if the NHL team brings in food for all camp attendees, the NCAA isn't likely to insist that a player turn down the catered meal and pay for his own food when he's on-site all day.
- bmeltzer

Very interesting. I remember a couple guys doing this a few years ago. Now I can’t remember who it was. I bet Bill has a run done as always. A wealth of Flyers’ knowledge. No wonder they selected to help with the Hall of Fame selections. Your impressive Bill.

will the new college athletes can get paid rule change things?
- hello it's me 2050

Players can now have a sponsor (alum or donor) pay for their expenses. I assume that rule will be changed based on this new ruling.

Players can now have a sponsor (alum or donor) pay for their expenses. I assume that rule will be changed based on this new ruling.
- cdearth23

Nothing for nothing if they wanted to go I am sure mommy and daddy would have gladly pay.