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FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

Aug 17 @ 3:04 PM ET
The ads themselves, while not purely Comcast driven is just another indication of my frustration with the marketing of this team, and league.

I get the need for promotion, but for a sport that really does stand out from the others.

The Flyers choose to market personalities like Hayes more than the on ice product, or a mascot more than their captain who while aging, has been a true superstar.

It’s just lazy, modern, and flashy tactics.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Aug 17 @ 3:05 PM ET
It's the stupid NCAA rules that prevent it.
- Letterkenney


NCAA prospects could participate, they would just have to pay their own way. Meals, lodging, transportation, etc I believe
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Aug 17 @ 3:05 PM ET
So then why does him being on the list surprise you?
- hello it's me 2050


Because he can still lose NCAA eligibility if they consider him to have been compensated, even before college. That's why players that play in the CHL major juniors are not eligible to play NCAA. They're considered professionals.
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Aug 17 @ 3:06 PM ET
NCAA prospects could participate, they would just have to pay their own way. Meals, lodging, transportation, etc I believe
- corduroy


Bill was kind enough to jump in and post the details surrounding this issue a page or two prior to this one.
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

Aug 17 @ 3:06 PM ET
To be honest my biggest issue with the games this year, believe it was only the playoff games was an ad permanently next to the score box. Put the ads on the jerseys , boards , helmets, but don’t cut off my franking TV screen.
- ClaudeFather


Banner ads have been a thing for other cable stations for a while. Brief pop ups on the bottom of the screen, or the nearly see through writing thats plastered on the bottom right.

Just my old man rants, and I’ll cease if I can manage. World is going to the poopter, as much as this “woke” generation likes to think they are improving it.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 17 @ 3:07 PM ET
A league that finds ability to increase the cap nearly every season except for a pandemic year is not one that requires more revenue.

I’d have been curious if Snider would have signed on. Jacobs for as much of a greedy low life as he is, I thought would have more respect for history.

Comcast, I’m sure they were squealing in joy.

- FlyerFan3260


League revenue for 19-20 was down 14%. 20-21 revenues were down a whopping 80-85%.

The cap isn't reflective of revenues atm. It's being artificially propped up by the players who are paying out the ass in escrow until the fans come back.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 17 @ 3:09 PM ET
Because he can still lose NCAA eligibility if they consider him to have been compensated, even before college. That's why players that play in the CHL major juniors are not eligible to play NCAA. They're considered professionals.
- Letterkenney

I do not think that is the case since in USHL. Though not 100% sure.

USHL rules diff than CHL. CHL players get paid USHL does not.
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

Aug 17 @ 3:09 PM ET
League revenue for 19-20 was down 14%. 20-21 revenues were down a whopping 80-85%.

The cap isn't reflective of revenues atm. It's being artificially propped up by the players who are paying out the ass in escrow until the fans come back.

- Tomahawk


The cap kept going up season, after season for years. Lockouts which were supposed to at least help prevent unsubstantiated growth of said cap.

They find themselves in a bubble ready to burst you say?

It’s of their own doing, and no they don’t need the money. It’s greed, and don’t lecture me that it’s something more. Many Americans took a step back in this pandemic financially, and have learned to adjust accordingly.

The modern NHL, and current ownership is just showing they care more about profitability than respecting the sport they represent. As I said, sign of the times. Doesn’t mean it’s for the better.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Aug 17 @ 3:15 PM ET
The nhl as a whole was aiming for $15M on helmet ads, that’s not moving the needle for the cap...
- ClaudeFather


no but every dollar counts when added
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 17 @ 3:18 PM ET
Maybe it’s because I’m old, but the electronic ads on the glass behind the net constantly steal my attention. They are obscene and make it hard to concentrate.

The apathy of, “it’s not a big deal” is something that leads to changes in America that aren’t always for the best. It’s what’s lead to the other things you mention.

- FlyerFan3260


Things change, nothing is sacred. No offense, but the billionaire owners and millionaire players aren't gonna leave money on the table just because it offends some boomer sensibilities. NHL actually held out longer than most other pro hockey leagues across the globe.

White ice and boards, plain sticks and skates didn't make the players skate faster or shoot harder or hit more often. It's all just set dressing and has nothing to do with the game.
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

Aug 17 @ 3:26 PM ET
Things change, nothing is sacred. No offense, but the billionaire owners and millionaire players aren't gonna leave money on the table just because it offends some boomer sensibilities. NHL actually held out longer than most other pro hockey leagues across the globe.

White ice and boards, plain sticks and skates didn't make the players skate faster or shoot harder or hit more often. It's all set dressing.

- Tomahawk


Yet, the old school game had more flow and passion in it than the robotic show on ice you see currently.

If you choose to ignore that fact, by all means.

I acknowledge my views are something that is being filtered out. The boomer reference does make me chuckle at times I must admit, as if the current “enlightened” path is setting up future generations for something to be looked forward to.

Back to hockey, and the ads in question. I find them disrespectful and not necessary. Does it help someone choose between a Lambo and a Shelby? Sure.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 17 @ 3:27 PM ET
The cap kept going up season, after season for years. Lockouts which were supposed to at least help prevent unsubstantiated growth of said cap.

They find themselves in a bubble ready to burst you say?

It’s of their own doing, and no they don’t need the money. It’s greed, and don’t lecture me that it’s something more. Many Americans took a step back in this pandemic financially, and have learned to adjust accordingly.

The modern NHL, and current ownership is just showing they care more about profitability than respecting the sport they represent. As I said, sign of the times. Doesn’t mean it’s for the better.

- FlyerFan3260


Nice sentiments, but the cap was always tied to league revenues. 50/50 split.
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

Aug 17 @ 3:31 PM ET
Nice sentiments, but the cap was always tied to league revenues. 50/50 split.
- Tomahawk


Sentiments, which were at least somewhat important at a time when Snider was in charge.

Your opinions, are very vogue. Alas, I cannot argue they arent truthful at the current time.

It’s frankly not something to be proud of.[url]
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 17 @ 3:32 PM ET
Yet, the old school game had more flow and passion in it than the robotic show on ice you see currently.

If you choose to ignore that fact, by all means.

I acknowledge my views are something that is being filtered out. The boomer reference does make me chuckle at times I must admit, as if the current “enlightened” path is setting up future generations for something to be looked forward to.

Back to hockey, and the ads in question. I find them disrespectful and not necessary. Does it help someone choose between a Lambo and a Shelby? Sure.

- FlyerFan3260


It's all nostalgia goggles my man.
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

Aug 17 @ 3:34 PM ET
It's all nostalgia goggles my man.
- Tomahawk


Or just not bending over to the whims of those currently running and worsening the sport
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Aug 17 @ 3:38 PM ET
The cap kept going up season, after season for years. Lockouts which were supposed to at least help prevent unsubstantiated growth of said cap.

They find themselves in a bubble ready to burst you say?

It’s of their own doing, and no they don’t need the money. It’s greed, and don’t lecture me that it’s something more. Many Americans took a step back in this pandemic financially, and have learned to adjust accordingly.

The modern NHL, and current ownership is just showing they care more about profitability than respecting the sport they represent. As I said, sign of the times. Doesn’t mean it’s for the better.

- FlyerFan3260


Sign of the times? It’s just good old fashioned capitalist greed. Nothing new about it. It was here before you and will be here after you’re gone.
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Aug 17 @ 3:39 PM ET
I'm adding a "PornHub" logo to my Flyers jersey. Just to see how it looks. Might keep it there.

Ugh...
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

Aug 17 @ 3:40 PM ET
Sign of the times? It’s just good old fashioned capitalist greed. Nothing new about it. It was here before you and will be here after you’re gone.
- Dkos


Ads on jerseys, electronic banners behind the net, etc, etc.

These things were not there before. So while I agree to a point, it’s the continued effects of opening Pandora’s box without an ounce of self restraint. It’s worse today, that can’t be argued.
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

Aug 17 @ 3:42 PM ET
I'm adding a "PornHub" logo to my Flyers jersey. Just to see how it looks. Might keep it there.

Ugh...

- cdearth23


Know what would be awesome.

If a company decided to pay to not have an ad on the helmet or jersey, when the rest of the league will have them. They could announce that during the break or whatever.

That’s something I could get behind.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 17 @ 3:48 PM ET
Sentiments, which were at least somewhat important at a time when Snider was in charge.

Your opinions, are very vogue. Alas, I cannot argue they arent truthful at the current time.

It’s frankly not something to be proud of.

- FlyerFan3260[url]


Snider was not a hockey purist nor was he governed by some money-agnostic love of the game.
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Aug 17 @ 3:48 PM ET
I do not think that is the case since in USHL. Though not 100% sure.

USHL rules diff than CHL. CHL players get paid USHL does not.

- hello it's me 2050


Players are not paid in the USHL. They live with billet families and are not paid by the team for anything.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Aug 17 @ 3:50 PM ET
Ads on jerseys is a serious red line for me.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Aug 17 @ 4:05 PM ET
NCAA prospects could participate, they would just have to pay their own way. Meals, lodging, transportation, etc I believe
- corduroy


They can participate once in their collegiate career, so long as it does not overlap with a scholastic semester. You are correct that they have to pay all of their own expenses beyond the first 48 hours.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Aug 17 @ 4:10 PM ET
Ads on jerseys is a serious red line for me.
- mochoson


Yeah. Will the jersey cost more with an ad on it? How would that impact fan jersey sales if they had an ad? I can’t see myself buying a jersey with a McDonald’s or Dunkin ad on it.


Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Aug 17 @ 4:10 PM ET
Ads on jerseys, electronic banners behind the net, etc, etc.

These things were not there before. So while I agree to a point, it’s the continued effects of opening Pandora’s box without an ounce of self restraint. It’s worse today, that can’t be argued.

- FlyerFan3260


Hey, I miss the old days too, but mostly just miss being young.
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