Never had escarole sauteed or in a soup? Or grilled endive? Try it you might like it.
- Tomahawk

escarole sure in soup. Endive do not like grilled. I am generally referring to Iceberg, Romaine, Arugula, couple others that escape me.

I agree completely that the coaching performance was poor last year but it's not systems related. Everything was bad last year. From the GM to the coaches, to the players. I think this team was more effected by COVID than most were. Circumstances completey snowballed. I just hope the team didn't overreact. I think last year was a huge outlier and really needs to be forgotten.
- MJL

Snowball is definitely the right term.

I think that for a team that really doesn't have a lot of leeway when it comes to matching up with talent, they are going to be exposed with poor goaltending. They weren't going to be able to outscore their flaws with the current roster and age of Giroux.

In a sport where confidence matters so much, and with so many youngsters it was imperative that the coaching staff knew how to stop the bleeding. I think they worsened the situation.

I don't disagree with making moves this offseason because you really couldnt come back with the same group. Some new faces needed to be in there because the first 3 game losing streak could lead to panic.

They needed to improve, but the priorities this off season were wrong to me. The Ellis deal was a good one, and I can get behind Voracek for Atkinson even if I think they really undervalue Jake's transition game.

They ignored the two biggest issues that I believe they were complacent. Back-up goaltending, and the coaches. Not long ago Hextall was rightfully blamed for going into a season with Elliot, and Neuvirth.

escarole sure in soup. Endive do not like grilled. I am generally referring to Iceberg, Romaine, Arugula, couple others that escape me.
- hello it's me 2050

I have no personal red lines when it comes to crispy water. Arugula pesto, grilled romaine, sauteed iceberg, bring it on.

Snowball is definitely the right term.

I think that for a team that really doesn't have a lot of leeway when it comes to matching up with talent, they are going to be exposed with poor goaltending. They weren't going to be able to outscore their flaws with the current roster and age of Giroux.

In a sport where confidence matters so much, and with so many youngsters it was imperative that the coaching staff knew how to stop the bleeding. I think they worsened the situation.

I don't disagree with making moves this offseason because you really couldnt come back with the same group. Some new faces needed to be in there because the first 3 game losing streak could lead to panic.

They needed to improve, but the priorities this off season were wrong to me. The Ellis deal was a good one, and I can get behind Voracek for Atkinson even if I think they really undervalue Jake's transition game.

They ignored the two biggest issues that I believe they were complacent. Back-up goaltending, and the coaches. Not long ago Hextall was rightfully blamed for going into a season with Elliot, and Neuvirth.
- FlyerFan3260

They also chose to bring back Randy Jones who was a restricted free agent the same summer. I could be wrong but that same summer, they traded RJ Umberger to Columbus.
- SuperSchennBros

Smith was making close to $2M and Ottawa offered him $2.6M as a UFA. The Flyers simply didn't have the cap space. Jones made less than half of what Smith made and was considerably younger and healthier.

Yes, Umberger was also a cap casualty that offseason.

escarole sure in soup. Endive do not like grilled. I am generally referring to Iceberg, Romaine, Arugula, couple others that escape me.
- hello it's me 2050

Bibb
Butterhead hehehehe
Frisee
Green Leaf
Red Leaf
Water cress
Mache

Who cares, i will know their mentality when they make a move, anything else is a waste of time.
You love to be an armchair GM and bloviate here.
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- konalover711

Isn't opining on the teams moves both in terms of what is done and what one would like to see done part of the reason for participating on a hockey discussion board?

Snowball is definitely the right term.

I think that for a team that really doesn't have a lot of leeway when it comes to matching up with talent, they are going to be exposed with poor goaltending. They weren't going to be able to outscore their flaws with the current roster and age of Giroux.

In a sport where confidence matters so much, and with so many youngsters it was imperative that the coaching staff knew how to stop the bleeding. I think they worsened the situation.

I don't disagree with making moves this offseason because you really couldnt come back with the same group. Some new faces needed to be in there because the first 3 game losing streak could lead to panic.

They needed to improve, but the priorities this off season were wrong to me. The Ellis deal was a good one, and I can get behind Voracek for Atkinson even if I think they really undervalue Jake's transition game.

They ignored the two biggest issues that I believe they were complacent. Back-up goaltending, and the coaches. Not long ago Hextall was rightfully blamed for going into a season with Elliot, and Neuvirth.
- FlyerFan3260

I think with a normal situation and the team not isolated away from the rink as well as having some normal practice time available, the coaching staff would've been much better equipped to correct many issues. The worse situation to be in as a team in a COVID situation was a team that was floundering in it's team play and cohesiveness.

- Tomahawk

I much prefer Shakira

Never had escarole sauteed or in a soup? Or grilled endive? Try it you might like it.
- Tomahawk

sauteed kale ftw

I think with a normal situation and the team not isolated away from the rink as well as having some normal practice time available, the coaching staff would've been much better equipped to correct many issues. The worse situation to be in as a team in a COVID situation was a team that was floundering in it's team play and cohesiveness.
- MJL

The Covid thing will be interesting going forward. I don't think we are out of the woods yet as for having no implications in terms of teams being shut down. If they continue testing players one would think positive cases will spring up.

It has potential to still be somewhat of a weird season with having to condensed schedules.

The coaching job by the entire staff last season was a complete and utter joke. It was like they wanted to get fired.

Well as you said financial obligations. Probably 20 million tied up in that staff. Plus it was Chicks hire and clearly he doesnt want to pull the plug yet.
- hello it's me 2050

I disagree a bit with this. I think Fletcher owed the coaching staff another chance after one bad year with some new and better players. I think they will have a better year. Funny how better players always seem to make the coaching look better.

I disagree a bit with this. I think Fletcher owed the coaching staff another chance after one bad year with some new and better players. I think they will have a better year. Funny how better players always seem to make the coaching look better.
- landros 2

yes they should have a better year as last was putrid. It would be an accomplishment to be worse. That being said how much credit should/will the staff then get?

Better players or not that coaching job last year was terrible.

OK, lets play their game, Karlsson makes 11.5, so Sandheim should be around that, he was arguably better than karlsson last year. And both were on their 3rd contract.
- bradster

The Flyers wouldn’t have filed for arbitration (rare for team to file) if them and the player agreed on his value. Sanheim played a lot of minutes on a bad, bad d core and his numbers bare that out. I can’t see a long term deal being the outcome, but I also hope the Flyers don’t over pay him short term either. The arbitration put the long term deal on the blocks if they actually get that far…I believe the longest deal that can be signed is 2 years if the arbitration happens….being that he is now the 4th best d man on this team, how much cap should the Flyers allocate for him ? He’s worth no more then he got last year, but the market probably means an overpay.

yes they should have a better year as last was putrid. It would be an accomplishment to be worse. That being said how much credit should/will the staff then get?

Better players or not that coaching job last year was terrible.
- hello it's me 2050

I agree everyone sucked…including the coaching staff, the GM and a lot of the players. But remembering the coaching and the GM are still fairly new I was hoping that Fletch would finally address the actual guys on the ice…and he did. I will say I think the honeymoon period is over for both him and AV… it’s time for this team to take another step forward.

The Flyers wouldn’t have filed for arbitration (rare for team to file) if them and the player agreed on his value. Sanheim played a lot of minutes on a bad, bad d core and his numbers bare that out. I can’t see a long term deal being the outcome, but I also hope the Flyers don’t over pay him short term either. The arbitration put the long term deal on the blocks if they actually get that far…I believe the longest deal that can be signed is 2 years if the arbitration happens….being that he is now the 4th best d man on this team, how much cap should the Flyers allocate for him ? He’s worth no more then he got last year, but the market probably means an overpay.
- landros 2

Provorov, Ellis and who?

Surely you don't mean Ristolainen.

Advanced stats say he was the best dman on the team. While that calls in to question the veracity of advanced stats in general, that is still going to be part of Sanheims ammo.

Provorov, Ellis and who?

Surely you don't mean Ristolainen.

Advanced stats say he was the best dman on the team. While that calls in to question the veracity of advanced stats in general, that is still going to be part of Sanheims ammo.
- MBFlyerfan

I don’t think advanced stats hold much weight in arbitration

I don’t think advanced stats hold much weight in arbitration
- ClaudeFather

That is good for the Flyers.

Provorov, Ellis and who?

Surely you don't mean Ristolainen.

Advanced stats say he was the best dman on the team. While that calls in to question the veracity of advanced stats in general, that is still going to be part of Sanheims ammo.
- MBFlyerfan

I hope Ristolainen improves on the Flyers but as of right now, I don't see Ristolainen as a better defenseman than Sanheim.

I don’t think advanced stats hold much weight in arbitration
- ClaudeFather

I think they do. The official stats of the NHL are direct evidence that can be used in arbitration. They carry a lot of weight.

Provorov, Ellis and who?

Surely you don't mean Ristolainen.

Advanced stats say he was the best dman on the team. While that calls in to question the veracity of advanced stats in general, that is still going to be part of Sanheims ammo.
- MBFlyerfan

After watching how physical the playoffs were this year. There is a definite need for someone like Risto on this team, especially when we get to the playoffs. Whether he is better than Travis is debatable. Stats wise Travis is better, but with Provy and Ellis already on the team, i would make an argument that someone of Ristos skill set is more needed on this team than travis.

Provorov, Ellis and who?

Surely you don't mean Ristolainen.

Advanced stats say he was the best dman on the team. While that calls in to question the veracity of advanced stats in general, that is still going to be part of Sanheims ammo.
- MBFlyerfan

In a heart beat he is a far superior d man….yes Risto.

In a heart beat he is a far superior d man….yes Risto.
- landros 2

Agree to disagree.

I don’t think advanced stats hold much weight in arbitration
- ClaudeFather

I think they look at every thing….good thing…because if it was based on points, +\- , and physicality then Sanheim isn’t worth 2 million let alone 4.

Agree to disagree.
- MBFlyerfan

Yes we do.