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Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Aug 23 @ 3:01 PM ET
Kevin Francis: Source - Sens offer Brady Tkachuk 6yrs/42 million
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Aug 23 @ 3:06 PM ET
Not sure Brady is the guy you want as Captain. He's more effective as a pest, and that may not be something he can do as much wearing the C.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Aug 23 @ 3:23 PM ET
Not sure Brady is the guy you want as Captain. He's more effective as a pest, and that may not be something he can do as much wearing the C.
- david22


As DJ Smith says, he drags the entire team into every battle on the ice! Having the "C" might make him even more vocal.
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Aug 23 @ 3:39 PM ET
He shares the name Brady with Tom. This kid will go places.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Aug 23 @ 3:39 PM ET
Not sure Brady is the guy you want as Captain. He's more effective as a pest, and that may not be something he can do as much wearing the C.
- david22

He's less of a rat than his brother and more like his dad. A massive Richard to play against and a jawing arsehole, but one who generally plays above board. If he isn't the next captain, then it will be held in wait for somebody else. Love Chabot, but he hasn't really proven to be a leader all the way back to junior. Shane Wright for captain.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Aug 23 @ 3:42 PM ET
He shares the name Brady with Tom. This kid will go places.
- DeflatedPucks



Great quote!
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Aug 23 @ 3:45 PM ET
Kevin Francis: Source - Sens offer Brady Tkachuk 6yrs/42 million
- Kevin Francis

Personally, I think they're going to have trouble negotiating a long-term RFA contract right now with Brady. I typically don't like hearing these kinds of 'leaked' offer rumors, because it suggests the team feels the need to put something out there to prove they're "making an effort". Whether it's fair or not, the $7Mx3yr bridge deal his brother signed is going to be considered in this process... which means they're asking Brady to sign for twice as long for the same AAV, and just throw in his last RFA year and two most valuable UFA years. Let alone the very predictable issues that will come around signing bonus/annual salary structure.

Details aside, it would be wise to consider the comments Tkachuk made that TSN reported, where he expressed a strong willingness to sign long-term when ownership shows the same commitment to winning. Now perhaps someone will explain how being nearly $10M under the cap floor, finishing in the bottom-10 of the league, having no #1C and barely half a top-4 defence, and trading away a $5M winger as their big summer roster move demonstrates that kind of commitment.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Aug 23 @ 3:57 PM ET
He's less of a rat than his brother and more like his dad. A massive Richard to play against and a jawing arsehole, but one who generally plays above board. If he isn't the next captain, then it will be held in wait for somebody else. Love Chabot, but he hasn't really proven to be a leader all the way back to junior. Shane Wright for captain.
- AdamFrench


Oh Brady is very much like his dad as you said. He is far from his brother that way.
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Aug 23 @ 3:59 PM ET
If he accepts this deal, he will be traded in year 6 before he hits UFA, expect batherson to also get a 6 year offer from OTT and Norris a 5 or 6 year deal next year.

Essentially OTT has 5 years to win a cup before their next rebuild.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 23 @ 4:03 PM ET
Good offer in a negotiation process. But not enough. Probably going to be closer to a $59.5m package ($8.5x7).

The numbers tell you that we are already into a new era for NHL contracts. Teams will no longer be giving 29 year old plus players huge contracts. More important, in order to make the numbers work you are going to have to move good players out before their contract expire.

There will always be exceptions. But, we will all come to accept that big dollar long term deals for "used to be great" players is over. Nobody wants to try and compete counting on aging stars like Karlsson, Tavares, Weber, Duchene, Pietrangelo and a whole bunch of other guys. Retirement deals based on past performance are insane.


sens4life1971
Ottawa Senators
Location: smiths falls, ON
Joined: 02.16.2014

Aug 23 @ 4:08 PM ET
Personally, I think they're going to have trouble negotiating a long-term RFA contract right now with Brady. I typically don't like hearing these kinds of 'leaked' offer rumors, because it suggests the team feels the need to put something out there to prove they're "making an effort". Whether it's fair or not, the $7Mx3yr bridge deal his brother signed is going to be considered in this process... which means they're asking Brady to sign for twice as long for the same AAV, and just throw in his last RFA year and two most valuable UFA years. Let alone the very predictable issues that will come around signing bonus/annual salary structure.

Details aside, it would be wise to consider the comments Tkachuk made that TSN reported, where he expressed a strong willingness to sign long-term when ownership shows the same commitment to winning. Now perhaps someone will explain how being nearly $10M under the cap floor, finishing in the bottom-10 of the league, having no #1C and barely half a top-4 defence, and trading away a $5M winger as their big summer roster move demonstrates that kind of commitment.

- khawk


Sorry I still wanna see the video of Tkachuk saying he won’t sign unless ownership shows commitment to winning , just don’t see him saying something like that specially at his age coming off entry level contract 🤦‍♂️
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 23 @ 4:08 PM ET
If he accepts this deal, he will be traded in year 6 before he hits UFA, expect batherson to also get a 6 year offer from OTT and Norris a 5 or 6 year deal next year.

Essentially OTT has 5 years to win a cup before their next rebuild.

- Mithos


I would strongly support the idea of a 5 year window to win it all. And, the contingency plan that assumes that by year 6 they begin another rebuild cycle. This rebuild would not be nearly as severe as what we are through now. But it would recognize the need to reinvest in the talent pool by moving out older players.

Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Aug 23 @ 4:28 PM ET
Sorry I still wanna see the video of Tkachuk saying he won’t sign unless ownership shows commitment to winning , just don’t see him saying something like that specially at his age coming off entry level contract 🤦‍♂️
- sens4life1971

I don't have Go-Pro footage per se, but the concept comes from here...
https://twitter.com/TSNSi...kessel-and-kevin-fiala%2F

You should probably get used to the concept of negotiating with the Tkachuk family in this situation, not just Brady... and the family track record is pretty hard-nosed and unsympathetic. Plus, there's a 100% valid point to be made that being $29M under the salary cap is more what a rebuilding team does, than a competitive team... especially when the cap space isn't being used to its maximum advantage to resolve significant roster issues.
sens4life1971
Ottawa Senators
Location: smiths falls, ON
Joined: 02.16.2014

Aug 23 @ 5:23 PM ET
I don't have Go-Pro footage per se, but the concept comes from here...
https://twitter.com/TSNSi...kessel-and-kevin-fiala%2F

You should probably get used to the concept of negotiating with the Tkachuk family in this situation, not just Brady... and the family track record is pretty hard-nosed and unsympathetic. Plus, there's a 100% valid point to be made that being $29M under the salary cap is more what a rebuilding team does, than a competitive team... especially when the cap space isn't being used to its maximum advantage to resolve significant roster issues.

- khawk


No I get the contract talk but for the site to say he won’t sign unless commitment to winning is bullpoop in my opinion that’s all I’m saying 🤷‍♂️
Woody88
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.23.2021

Aug 23 @ 5:25 PM ET
LOL this is about as news worthy as the fake Hertl rumours from a few weeks back.
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Aug 23 @ 5:34 PM ET
If I were Brady I would go short term ,3 years , and then decide if he wants to win a couple of cups with a team making good decisions or is Melnyk screwing the pooch in which case he can write his ticket anywhere in the league. I wouldn't trust Melnyk as far as I could throw him. 3 years 6 to 7
granpa
Joined: 07.03.2015

Aug 23 @ 5:38 PM ET
Brady Tkachuk our version Darcy Tucker "Sideshow Bob" is going to get between 7-9 mil. for 6+ years, plus the captaincy. The Gong Show goes on. I pity the next guy that takes over the GM job and has to straighten out the mess.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 23 @ 5:40 PM ET
Good TSN article by Travis Yost.

He essentially sets out the case that this year might be the "last dance" for the Leafs in terms of their competitive window. I have long believed the Leafs moved too soon. They raised fan expectations and put excessive cap pressure on the team as a whole without ever having won a playoff round.

It is a lesson hopeful breakthrough teams like the Sens need to study. Essentially the Leafs are now a top heavy team capable of winning games...but their lack of depth makes it very hard to envision them winning a playoff round. Each of the last three years the bottom half of the Leaf roster has become weaker.

https://www.tsn.ca/toront...-leafs-playoffs-1.1684919
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 23 @ 5:50 PM ET
Brady Tkachuk our version Darcy Tucker "Sideshow Bob" is going to get between 7-9 mil. for 6+ years, plus the captaincy. The Gong Show goes on. I pity the next guy that takes over the GM job and has to straighten out the mess.
- granpa


Not bad.

It could be a great ride. Fans will love it. And, it might require some clean up at the end. I could see a deep Stanley Cup run. And, then you start over. I like it a lot better than trying to hang on once a team has moved beyond its best years.

I was one of the hold outs that wanted Chabot to get the C. But, the night Brady went head to head with Shea Weber, I conceded. Guys will follow him into battle and they will win.
PuckPix
Joined: 01.12.2021

Aug 23 @ 5:50 PM ET
LOL this is about as news worthy as the fake Hertl rumours from a few weeks back.
- Woody88

Oh really, then why did Bruce Garrioch run the same rumour in his column thenext day? Explain that one to us?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 23 @ 5:57 PM ET
Oh really, then why did Bruce Garrioch run the same rumour in his column thenext day? Explain that one to us?
- PuckPix


Bruce and Kevin are sisters?
PuckPix
Joined: 01.12.2021

Aug 23 @ 6:16 PM ET
Bruce and Kevin are sisters?
- spatso
Possibly lol.

But here is the proof with Garrioch. Sorry it is 2 weeks later not the day after.

Kevin wrote on July 29th.
https://hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=112791

Bruce wrote on Aug. 14th and gave no credit to Kevin. Scroll down in his article to moving pieces to see the Hertl stuff.
https://ottawasun.com/spo...re-work-ahead-before-camp

Then another respected writer Lyle Richardson wrote this on Aug.16th giving Garrioch credit.
https://www.si.com/hockey...al-season-with-the-sharks

Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Aug 23 @ 6:45 PM ET
No I get the contract talk but for the site to say he won’t sign unless commitment to winning is bullpoop in my opinion that’s all I’m saying 🤷‍♂️
- sens4life1971

The suggestion is just that Tkachuk wouldn't necessarily sign a major long-term deal that took away his most valuable UFA years, not that he wouldn't sign a shorter-term deal. I'm not sure why you're so convinced that he'll just blindly sign a long-term deal because the team wants him to... but the majority of players don't sign for 6yrs or longer as RFA, let alone players that haven't proven their full upside yet.
granpa
Joined: 07.03.2015

Aug 23 @ 6:57 PM ET
Not bad.

It could be a great ride. Fans will love it. And, it might require some clean up at the end. I could see a deep Stanley Cup run. And, then you start over. I like it a lot better than trying to hang on once a team has moved beyond its best years.

I was one of the hold outs that wanted Chabot to get the C. But, the night Brady went head to head with Shea Weber, I conceded. Guys will follow him into battle and they will win.

- spatso


I admire your optimism.
sens4life1971
Ottawa Senators
Location: smiths falls, ON
Joined: 02.16.2014

Aug 23 @ 7:49 PM ET
The suggestion is just that Tkachuk wouldn't necessarily sign a major long-term deal that took away his most valuable UFA years, not that he wouldn't sign a shorter-term deal. I'm not sure why you're so convinced that he'll just blindly sign a long-term deal because the team wants him to... but the majority of players don't sign for 6yrs or longer as RFA, let alone players that haven't proven their full upside yet.
- khawk


Got nothing to do with contracts signing I just don’t agree with whoever came out and said *Tkachuk won’t sign until owner makes commitment to winning *
He’s not a Crosby or McDavid he’ll never be an 80-100pt player so I just said that part is bullpoop lol
Specially coming off entry level contract lol that’s all
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