Any idea why Corduroy?
- Angus4444

I have no idea, it was just a hope

Believe it gets him to 38...will be an albatross contract those last 3-4 yrs..remember this contract doesnt start till after this season
- hfc355

Nope, 37. Everyone is aware of when it starts. It will not be an albatross contract for the last 3-4 years. He will be a strong player well into his 30's

Both the team and the player agreed to table negotiations until after the season. That does not point to Giroux leaving the team.
- MJL

It doesn't point to him absolutely staying beyond this year either. Otherwise, they would have worked something out. Gonna have to negotiate I suppose, but he better get it in his mind that he is in for a serious pay cut from his 8 million a year perch!!

I see it being 6 really good years and then a decline. However even in the last few years, he won't be a top line player anymore but he sill still be a serviceable player. The Flyers have no chance to win the Cup in the near future without Couturier. Signing him to a full term deal to keep the AAV down is the smart move.

Your math is a little off. The deal will get Couturier to 37 years old. Not 36
- MJL

Yes, that's right, because this deal kicks in 2022-23 season, I forgot about that. Keeping me on my toes!

First, everyone keeps saying they signed 28 yo Couturier. He's going to be 29 this year and will be 30 at the beg of his new contract, which really means they signed 30 yo Couturier to an 8-year contract with a NMC.

Second, the consensus is it will look good for the next 3-4 yrs. What about the last 4 years?

Finally, according to CapFriendly in 2022-23 the Flyers have $61MM allocated to 11 players, meaning they only have about $21MM- $24MM to sign the other 11 players, of which these include notables such as Farabee, Risto (unless Fletcher want to admit he just flat out wasted a 1st round pick) and Giroux.
- mr4tno

Couturier will be 29 at the start of his new contract. He will turn 30 in December of the first year of his new deal. Where are you getting this consensus from?

It doesn't point to him absolutely staying beyond this year either. Otherwise, they would have worked something out. Gonna have to negotiate I suppose, but he better get it in his mind that he is in for a serious pay cut from his 8 million a year perch!!
- Phillywhiteout

The odds are overwhelmingly in favor of Giroux remaining a Flyer. Again, it's been reported on why they haven't made a deal at this point. Why are things made out to be more than it is. We just went through this kind of stuff with Sanheim.

Actually, there is considerable difference between the Couturier deal and the Landeskog deal.
- MJL

Landeskog signed for 8 years at $7M AAV, that is what I was referring to. What am I missing besides Couts' deal has a modestly higher AAV and starts 1 season from now?

Landeskog signed for 8 years at $7M AAV, that is what I was referring to. What am I missing besides Couts' deal has a modestly higher AAV and starts 1 season from now?
- jd250

Take a look at the two contracts.

Nope, 37. Everyone is aware of when it starts. It will not be an albatross contract for the last 3-4 years. He will be a strong player well into his 30's
- MJL

Is that a fact or are you stating your opinion?

8 yr deal is not team friendly.plus the 1 yr he has left so 9 yrs with NTC...Thats not team friendly. On open market his deal would have been for 7 yrs at 8 maybe 8.5M max so same $$ amount. Locked into a NTC for next 8 yrs...again thats not team friendly. He signed what he was able to negotiate but didn't give Flyers any discounts
- hfc355

And you know this how exactly?

The odds are overwhelmingly in favor of Giroux remaining a Flyer. Again, it's been reported on why they haven't made a deal at this point. Why are things made out to be more than it is. We just went through this kind of stuff with Sanheim.
- MJL

We shall see how things go this season. That will have an impact to. You also need to consider that with Couturier's contract kicking in next year that they aren't going to have much cap space to play with. How much of a hometown discount is Giroux willing to take to stay in Philly? I happen to not think that it's as much a guarantee as you think it is.

Take a look at the two contracts.
- MJL

Hmm, both contracts carry NMCs, both contracts are 8 years in length, and both contracts are under $8M AAV. If there is anything else that is different, I was not referring to it in my comparison.

Hmm, both contracts carry NMCs, both contracts are 8 years in length, and both contracts are under $8M AAV. If there is anything else that is different, I was not referring to it in my comparison.
- jd250

I know what you were referring to but the two contracts are significantly different. There is a major difference in the two deals besides the lower AAV in the case of Landeskog.

We shall see how things go this season. That will have an impact to. You also need to consider that with Couturier's contract kicking in next year that they aren't going to have much cap space to play with. How much of a hometown discount is Giroux willing to take to stay in Philly? I happen to not think that it's as much a guarantee as you think it is.
- Phillywhiteout

So you've gone from "looks like Giroux might be a goner after the season if not at the trade deadline(if they are out of contention at that time)" to we shall see how things go this season.

Is that a fact or are you stating your opinion?
- hello it's me 2050

It's his opinion obviously, I mean Couts can get hurt next season and never be the same player for that matter. But its also my opinion and obviously the opinion of the Flyers organization. Look, Couts right now is the best player on the team and one of the best 2 way centers in the game. He scores around 1 point per game, is great at faceoffs and one of the best defensive centers in the game. The type of game Couts plays historically has shown to last well into a player's 30s, examples are Patrice Bergeron and Steve Yzerman. We should all be extremely happy to have this player locked up for essentially the remainder of his career. For all those that were posting Couts was absolutely leaving because he couldn't win here or hated the team or city, you were all dead wrong!

And this goes to another point. Some like myself really like what Fletcher did this offseason to makeover the team, while others on this forum hate it. But I have no doubt a contract like this one does not get signed if major changes did not happen this off season. What Fletcher did was demonstrate to *all* NHL players that the Flyers are serious, and want to win, and players see it and respond to it. The Flyers are clearly an NHL destination franchise again!

I do not know what their cap situation is for next year or the year after. I imagine it is tight. Without any top end elite prospects or top end elite "young" players it is going to be a very difficult climb to get to the end goal. Assuming the end goal is a cup. People better hope these "young" guys are better than advertised or one breaks into a true star player. If Hart isn't a stud then they are in serious trouble.

So are they another 2 years "away"?

It's his opinion obviously, I mean Couts can get hurt next season and never be the same player for that matter. But its also my opinion and obviously the opinion of the Flyers organization. Look, Couts right now is the best player on the team and one of the best 2 way centers in the game. He scores around 1 point per game, is great at faceoffs and one of the best defensive centers in the game. The type of game Couts plays historically has shown to last well into a player's 30s, examples are Patrice Bergeron and Steve Yzerman. We should al be extremely happy to have this player locked up for essentially the remainder of his career. For all those that were posting Couts was absolutely leaving because he couldn't win here or hated the team or city, you were all dead wrong!

And this goes to another point. Some like myself really like what Fletcher did this offseason to makeover the team, while others on this forum hate it. But I have no doubt a contract like this one does not get signed if major changes did not happen this off season. What Fletcher did was demonstrate to *all* NHL players that the Flyers are serious, and want to win, and players see it and respond to it. The Flyers are clearly an NHL destination franchise again!
- jd250

he just likes to be like Saint Ronnie and thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and make it out like it is a fact.

Giving Fletcher way to much credit for this deal. Well every free agent except 3 guys on there last legs disagree about them being a destination.

The odds are overwhelmingly in favor of Giroux remaining a Flyer. Again, it's been reported on why they haven't made a deal at this point. Why are things made out to be more than it is. We just went through this kind of stuff with Sanheim.
- MJL

Of course G wants to stay here, he bleeds orange and black and wants to win here badly. I believe he sign a deal around $$4.5-5M to help the team out cap wise. As I mentioned in another post, players get excited when they see a team that is going all in to win a cup, so they want to be part of it. If Fletcher had signaled another rebuild, no doubt Couts and G would have preferred to leave.

It's his opinion obviously, I mean Couts can get hurt next season and never be the same player for that matter. But its also my opinion and obviously the opinion of the Flyers organization. Look, Couts right now is the best player on the team and one of the best 2 way centers in the game. He scores around 1 point per game, is great at faceoffs and one of the best defensive centers in the game. The type of game Couts plays historically has shown to last well into a player's 30s, examples are Patrice Bergeron and Steve Yzerman. We should all be extremely happy to have this player locked up for essentially the remainder of his career. For all those that were posting Couts was absolutely leaving because he couldn't win here or hated the team or city, you were all dead wrong!

And this goes to another point. Some like myself really like what Fletcher did this offseason to makeover the team, while others on this forum hate it. But I have no doubt a contract like this one does not get signed if major changes did not happen this off season. What Fletcher did was demonstrate to *all* NHL players that the Flyers are serious, and want to win, and players see it and respond to it. The Flyers are clearly an NHL destination franchise again!
- jd250

Do you have a list of players who didn't age well?

Of course G wants to stay here, he bleeds orange and black and wants to win here badly. I believe he sign a deal around $$4.5-5M to help the team out cap wise. As I mentioned in another post, players get excited when they see a team that is going all in to win a cup, so they want to be part of it. If Fletcher had signaled another rebuild, no doubt Couts and G would have preferred to leave.
- jd250

It all depends on what Giroux will be willing to do. I personally believe he is going to have a strong season barring any significant injury.

Of course G wants to stay here, he bleeds orange and black and wants to win here badly. I believe he sign a deal around $$4.5-5M to help the team out cap wise. As I mentioned in another post, players get excited when they see a team that is going all in to win a cup, so they want to be part of it. If Fletcher had signaled another rebuild, no doubt Couts and G would have preferred to leave.
- jd250

So they went "all in" with the moves they made. Where would rank them as a cup contender? Top 5? 10? 15? 20?

Players get excited when they get the cash 9 out of 10 times.

Do you have a list of players who didn't age well?
- hello it's me 2050

he provided examples for his side of the argument, you should provide examples for you side

Do you have a list of players who didn't age well?
- hello it's me 2050

he provided examples for his side of the argument, you should provide examples for you side

It's his opinion obviously, I mean Couts can get hurt next season and never be the same player for that matter. But its also my opinion and obviously the opinion of the Flyers organization. Look, Couts right now is the best player on the team and one of the best 2 way centers in the game. He scores around 1 point per game, is great at faceoffs and one of the best defensive centers in the game. The type of game Couts plays historically has shown to last well into a player's 30s, examples are Patrice Bergeron and Steve Yzerman. We should all be extremely happy to have this player locked up for essentially the remainder of his career. For all those that were posting Couts was absolutely leaving because he couldn't win here or hated the team or city, you were all dead wrong!

And this goes to another point. Some like myself really like what Fletcher did this offseason to makeover the team, while others on this forum hate it. But I have no doubt a contract like this one does not get signed if major changes did not happen this off season. What Fletcher did was demonstrate to *all* NHL players that the Flyers are serious, and want to win, and players see it and respond to it. The Flyers are clearly an NHL destination franchise again!
- jd250

Well said, sir!! I agree with all of this!
CF told the locker room that he is committed to winning and now it's up to the players to go win!
It's actually very solid management by CF and a great way to let his players know that the flyers committed to winning! They moved out some players who didn't quite fit in or wouldn't play a complete game and they brought in winners! Guys who know how to lead and guys who went to win

I can't wait for this upcoming season to start!!

he provided examples for his side of the argument, you should provide examples for you side
- wcorvette

Who is arguing? I asked a simple question.