Who is arguing? I asked a simple question.
- hello it's me 2050

so two opposing sides is not an argument? Not saying it is adversarial but he provided his examples, you want to see the other side of it then provide it in the conversation.


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According to Fletcher, it’s in no small part because Couturier was open to sacrificing a bit of money to give the Flyers the chance to be a more competitive team.

so two opposing sides is not an argument? Not saying it is adversarial but he provided his examples, you want to see the other side of it then provide it in the conversation.


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https://theathletic.com/2...ailyemail&campaign=601983.


According to Fletcher, it’s in no small part because Couturier was open to sacrificing a bit of money to give the Flyers the chance to be a more competitive team.
- wcorvette

This is why I do not give the GM much credit for this deal. Ex selke made it happen. The way Chuck negotiates he probably offered more....

This is why I do not give the GM much credit for this deal. Ex selke made it happen. The way Chuck negotiates he probably offered more....
- hello it's me 2050

LOL, well that is one opinion. What CF did over the off-season clearly had an impact on Coots. That was part of the negotiation.

8 years gets Couts to 36years old. I think he will earn every penny of this new contract, because of the type of player he is and how he plays the game. Couts is very similar to Bergeron, and those types of players earn their money with points, but with so much more!
- jd250

Except his bday in early December. He will turn 38 in last year of new contract 2 months into season.

8 yr deal is not team friendly.plus the 1 yr he has left so 9 yrs with NTC...Thats not team friendly. On open market his deal would have been for 7 yrs at 8 maybe 8.5M max so same $$ amount. Locked into a NTC for next 8 yrs...again thats not team friendly. He signed what he was able to negotiate but didnt give Flyers any discounts
- hfc355

This guy gets it

First, everyone keeps saying they signed 28 yo Couturier. He's going to be 29 this year and will be 30 at the beg of his new contract, which really means they signed 30 yo Couturier to an 8-year contract with a NMC.

Second, the consensus is it will look good for the next 3-4 yrs. What about the last 4 years?


Finally, according to CapFriendly in 2022-23 the Flyers have $61MM allocated to 11 players, meaning they only have about $21MM- $24MM to sign the other 11 players, of which these include notables such as Farabee, Risto (unless Fletcher want to admit he just flat out wasted a 1st round pick) and Giroux.
- mr4tno

This team will be middling for next 5 + years maybe decade. Ellis Hayes coots risto (when signed long term) all big deals in 30’s yep that’s how league trending. Laughable. This team blows. Coots got 2 maybe 3 really good years left (good by his standards). There’s a ton of miles on that body. We aren’t talking about the last couple years of his deal. We’re talking the last 5-6 years of that deal. poopty Fletcher will be long gone by then and next “hextall type” gm will have to waste a few years trying to clean up fletch mess and be fired by some other suit ( hell might even be Scott still). Wash rinse repeat with this team.

And of course hb flyers lover will be defending every move the games the same only the names have changed.

We went from move Jvr Jake to it’ll be coots Hayes

And after next gm cleans it up we’ll be giving the current young guys (farabee) for example some huge deal when it’s too late. Wash rinse repeat.


GO CANES!!!!!

LOL, well that is one opinion. What CF did over the off-season clearly had an impact on Coots. That was part of the negotiation.
- wcorvette

If he asked for say 8.75 per, do you think Chuck would have said no?

he provided examples for his side of the argument, you should provide examples for you side
- wcorvette

LOL this dude can barely spell. you're asking him to put an argument together. c'mon.

If he asked for say 8.75 per, do you think Chuck would have said no?
- hello it's me 2050

question seems relevant, as he didn't ask for that, and fletcher didn't need to say yes or no to it.

So they went "all in" with the moves they made. Where would rank them as a cup contender? Top 5? 10? 15? 20?

Players get excited when they get the cash 9 out of 10 times.
- hello it's me 2050

On paper, since its all I have to go on, I would say right now the Flyers are comfortably in the top 10 of cup contenders, but not in the top 5.

LOL this dude can barely spell. you're asking him to put an argument together. c'mon.
- Ftown19125

here comes stronzo. When all you got is spelling you got nothing. Your usual

It all depends on what Giroux will be willing to do. I personally believe he is going to have a strong season barring any significant injury.
- MJL

Yes, I feel he will as well. I think there is a lot of excitement and rejuvenation on this team right now, and that is something many players will ride this coming season. I do believe that G will take less to stay in Philly and maximize Fletcher's ability to keep this team together longer.

question seems relevant, as he didn't ask for that, and fletcher didn't need to say yes or no to it.
- Ftown19125

Doesn't matter what the question seems now does it? How do you know he didn't ask for it? Were you privy to the negations?

On paper, since its all I have to go on, I would say right now the Flyers are comfortably in the top 10 of cup contenders, but not in the top 5.
- jd250

who is your top 10?

Some posters really struggle with math.

Couturier is 28 now and will turn 29 during the upcoming season. He will not turn 30 until December of the 22/23 season. That will make him 37 during the final year of his new contract. Not 36 and not 38.

Doesn't matter what the question seems now does it? How do you know he didn't ask for it? Were you privy to the negations?
- hello it's me 2050

he took what he took, so your question is irrelevant.

we should just keep asking hypotheticals that don't matter. that would be fun.

he took what he took, so your question is irrelevant.

we should just keep asking hypotheticals that don't matter. that would be fun.
- Ftown19125

Were you part of the negotiation?

Well isn't a message board for discussing hypotheticals? Nah that cant be stronzo.

On paper, since its all I have to go on, I would say right now the Flyers are comfortably in the top 10 of cup contenders, but not in the top 5.
- jd250

Comfortable in top 10...??? Vegas has them 15th and 6th in Met behind Canes..Caps..Pens..Isles and Rangers...They arent a top 10 team

If he asked for say 8.75 per, do you think Chuck would have said no?
- hello it's me 2050

As GM I would have said sure but its 6 or 7 yrs not 8..In fact I would prefer a contract of 8.75M for 6 yrs.

As GM I would have said sure but its 6 or 7 yrs not 8..In fact I would prefer a contract of 8.75M for 6 yrs.
- hfc355

He was always getting 8 years. Unless they paid him 11+ per.

It seems like every time a major contract is signed, it has to be explained how things work. Players like leverage. It gets them what they want. It's why Sanheim was willing to sign a two year deal. He gets future leverage. Negotiations are a give and take. Couturier took less money than he could likely get on an open market UFA deal. In exchange for doing so, he received 8 years of security, which is one more year than he can get with another team as a UFA. Plus, and here is the major part of the contract that separates his deal from a player like Landeskog. The signing bonus structure of the contract makes it completely buyout proof. Which means no matter what, he will get paid the full value of the contract.

Some posters really struggle with math.

Couturier is 28 now and will turn 29 during the upcoming season. He will not turn 30 until December of the 22/23 season. That will make him 37 during the final year of his new contract. Not 36 and not 38.
- MJL

Wrong he will be 38 in the final year of his contract. His birthday is in DEC 3 mths into the season of his 38th birthday

Were you part of the negotiation?

Well isn't a message board for discussing hypotheticals? Nah that cant be stronzo.
- hello it's me 2050

LOL the deal is done. we should ask a hypothetical about what if couturier asked for a higher cap hit.

so strange.

He was always getting 8 years. Unless they paid him 11+ per.
- hello it's me 2050

Then I would have traded him at the deadline could have gotten quite a bit for him....way way to long a contract with a full NTC for a guy who has had knee problems...is going to be 38 during last year of contract . Love Couts but not a team helpful deal.

Wrong he will be 38 in the final year of his contract. His birthday is in DEC 3 mths into the season of his 38th birthday
- hfc355

Couturier is 28 now. He turns 29 on December 7th

21/22 29
22/23 30
23/24 31
24/25 32
25/26 33
26/27 34
27/28 35
28/29 36
29/30 37