What bothers me is that it was a 1 year plan. Even if it worked, they created significant problems for themselves. It's the kind of plan you see on cap friendly.
- Lunaion

I have little remorse for losing a group of players that led an era of losing ...really, really bad and two trades were made one was a big winner and one was meh and we are waiting on trade 3.

I certainly have no remorse for losing Jake McKabe who was a solid D over the last couple years but still was part of a losing team all the time he was here and it was pretty much determined he was going to Chicago. They had no option to trade him at the deadline since he was injured.

Ullmark, I would have liked him dealt at the deadline for that nice, shiny third-round pick, maybe a 2nd but they had hopes of signing him but he wanted that Buffalo overpay so they are tanking this year and he would have caused a problem anyway in that regard if they did sign him. They have two solid goalie prospects in the pipeline in UPL and Erik Portillo.

I am pretty sure there are reported cases with that happening on the lumbar disc replacement side. But I don't think there has been something like that reported for the cervical disc he is looking at having implemented.

I am not saying which surgery he should have. I just happen to be in that industry and trying to provide some clarity on things for you guys. I do have an opinion on what I would probably do if that was me, however. I just have seen some things in this thread I wanted to help with.
- KOS

Appreciate it, what do you think he should do. Wasn't trying to step on your toes either.

That's fair. I'm definitely a homer. ☝️

Eichel was coming off a break thru top 10 mvp season.
They add a former mvp
Former 40 goal scorer in skimmer hopefully bounced back.
Ullmark looked like he could break thru.

They added 4 veteran forwards. (Out of 12) 1/3 new faces.
- Boss34

The forward additions aside from Hall were questionable (Staal's motivation) to inconsequential (Rieder) to bad (Eakin).

They also had a giant question mark in goal that they had ample opportunity to address and yet did nothing about.

Harrington seems to think the Sabres should allow Jack to get the surgery he wants, get him back in the lineup, tell him we'll get you out of here, but you've got to just shut up, play, and show the rest of the league that you're back.

I appreciate your positivity towards the Pegulas. But they were also the same people who hired Murray, Lafontaine, Botterill, Disco Dan, Ralph, Housley, and Rex Ryan…

The Pegulas hired McDermott and from my understanding he was pushing for Beane to be hired.
- Stripes77

Lala and the pegulas is a still a push to me
Hard to say who to blame, patty did the same thing before.
Patty hired tmgm who became the pegula's problem
The nhl suggested Botterill
Disco won a cup and was clearly not their 1st choice with the babcock backstab
Ralph was a huge mistake
Phail lousley was the hot assistant coach/ jbotts guy
Rex was russ Brandon- "don't let him leave the building "
Russ was a great marketer....

Harrington seems to think the Sabres should allow Jack to get the surgery he wants, get him back in the lineup, tell him we'll get you out of here, but you've got to just shut up, play, and show the rest of the league that you're back.
- Powerslave

Probably best for both parties

😅😅😅😅😅

I don't know how to tweet this out in a way that you will think I'm serious, but it's true.

Hurricanes President and GM Don Waddell cannot immediately be reached for comment about the offer sheet because he is currently at the rodeo.

https://twitter.com/SaraC.../1431770489412857860?s=19

The forward additions aside from Hall were questionable (Staal's motivation) to inconsequential (Rieder) to bad (Eakin).

They also had a giant question mark in goal that they had ample opportunity to address and yet did nothing about.
- kingcong39

They should have extended ullmark though? Bad asset management.

Now he's a giant question mark?

The 4 moves looked good to me admittedly as a homer.

Hall was exciting
Stahl was a huge upgrade over Johansson for me
Reider was a nhl vet cheap forward
Cody . Eakin I thought would produce more goals than larry

Appreciate it, what do you think he should do. Wasn't trying to step on your toes either.
- Buff36

I didn't take it that way, no worries.

Well Degenerative disc disease (DDD), is just that degenerative. So multiple fusions could be in his future. The bail out for the TDR is a fusion. But the TDR are also approved for 2 levels. So even if he needs another procedure later in life her could have another disc and preserve his motion. I prob would get a TDR, mma fighters have them and they are holding up. But quality of life later and the ability to keep as much motion as possible to play at that speed is probably on his mind too. 2 levels of disc instead of 2 fused levels. ACDF is however, still the gold standard in care. They outcomes have been, for a long time, extremely solid. The papers with 10 year data is out for TDR and approval for 2 levels was granted. So there is now hard evidence for his request to be legit. It is a very good debate in my opinion.

Either way, he is real young to have to have a cervical procedure. My concern for you guys is the length of the contract. Hopefully it is insured. But I am skeptical of how quickly his play will decline. I would guess 5 years he is good once he fully heals. But he may not make the last 3 of his contract.

They should have extended ullmark though? Bad asset management.

Now he's a giant question mark?

The 4 moves looked good to me admittedly as a homer.

Hall was exciting
Stahl was a huge upgrade over Johansson for me
Reider was a nhl vet cheap forward
Cody . Eakin I thought would produce more goals than larry
- Boss34

Stahl saved money too and then garnered them 2 draft picks in his deal to the Hab when dumping him off. For a player who didn't show much here on the ice that would perhaps go down as a win. He also probably helped in getting Owen Power in some way.

😅😅😅😅😅

I don't know how to tweet this out in a way that you will think I'm serious, but it's true.

Hurricanes President and GM Don Waddell cannot immediately be reached for comment about the offer sheet because he is currently at the rodeo.

https://twitter.com/SaraC.../1431770489412857860?s=19
- kingcong39

This just keeps getting better. They tweeted it in French.


Carolina Hurricanes
@Canes
·
4h
Les Hurricanes ont annoncé aujourd’hui avoir déposé une offre hostile au joueur autonome avec restriction Jesperi Kotkaniemi des Canadiens de la Montreal. L’entente proposée est d’une durée de un ans et d’une valeur annuelle moyenne de 6,1 millions $.

This just keeps getting better. They tweeted it in French.


Carolina Hurricanes
@Canes
·
4h
Les Hurricanes ont annoncé aujourd’hui avoir déposé une offre hostile au joueur autonome avec restriction Jesperi Kotkaniemi des Canadiens de la Montreal. L’entente proposée est d’une durée de un ans et d’une valeur annuelle moyenne de 6,1 millions $.
- Lunaion

They also changed their Twitter profile to French.
Carolina Hurricanes
@Canes
Compte officiel des Hurricanes de la Caroline

They also changed their Twitter profile to French.
Carolina Hurricanes
@Canes
Compte officiel des Hurricanes de la Caroline
- GilPerreault11

It's hilarious and savage.

I am pretty sure there are reported cases with that happening on the lumbar disc replacement side. But I don't think there has been something like that reported for the cervical disc he is looking at having implemented.

I am not saying which surgery he should have. I just happen to be in that industry and trying to provide some clarity on things for you guys. I do have an opinion on what I would probably do if that was me, however. I just have seen some things in this thread I wanted to help with.
- KOS

Well, at least it won't paralyze you at the lumbar level, well, after L1-L2, so that's nice, I guess.

Stahl saved money too and then garnered them 2 draft picks in his deal to the Hab when dumping him off. For a player who didn't show much here on the ice that would perhaps go down as a win. He also probably helped in getting Owen Power in some way.
- GilPerreault11

Absolutely. I forgot about the return for stahl.

He was terrible, but something (Eichel) was spoiled from the start.

I bet eichel laughed at the ralph hire . He probably wondered why guys weren't working as hard as him.

Came in for year 2 of ralph, miserable.
Stahl and hall caught it early. Rotted the team.

I didn't take it that way, no worries.

Well Degenerative disc disease (DDD), is just that degenerative. So multiple fusions could be in his future. The bail out for the TDR is a fusion. But the TDR are also approved for 2 levels. So even if he needs another procedure later in life her could have another disc and preserve his motion. I prob would get a TDR, mma fighters have them and they are holding up. But quality of life later and the ability to keep as much motion as possible to play at that speed is probably on his mind too. 2 levels of disc instead of 2 fused levels. ACDF is however, still the gold standard in care. They outcomes have been, for a long time, extremely solid. The papers with 10 year data is out for TDR and approval for 2 levels was granted. So there is now hard evidence for his request to be legit. It is a very good debate in my opinion.

Either way, he is real young to have to have a cervical procedure. My concern for you guys is the length of the contract. Hopefully it is insured. But I am skeptical of how quickly his play will decline. I would guess 5 years he is good once he fully heals. But he may not make the last 3 of his contract.
- KOS

My issue is that the Doctor saying NO to TDR for Eichel is the guy who helped invent them and is the Teacher of Teachers for this stuff.

Absolutely. I forgot about the return for stahl.

He was terrible, but something (Eichel) was spoiled from the start.

I bet eichel laughed at the ralph hire . He probably wondered why guys weren't working as hard as him.

Came in for year 2 of ralph, miserable.
Stahl and hall caught it early. Rotted the team.
- Boss34

Jack loved Ralph and played the best hockey of his career under him. Easy to forget that after last season.

Jack loved Ralph and played the best hockey of his career under him. Easy to forget that after last season.
- Lunaion

I mention that, Risto had good year under him, other vets had a year, even Dahlin had 40 pts in 50+ games Ralphs first year but in writeups and WGR his first year is forgotten and only the 2nd year when the train went off the tracks is it mentioned.

My theory is the Jeremy Whites and others who LOVE Skinner and hate that Ralph took him off the top line couldn't wait to rip him a new one and not have journalistic integrity and give the true story like you just did.

Jack loved Ralph and played the best hockey of his career under him. Easy to forget that after last season.
- Lunaion

Jack loved the 1 on 1 Synergy meetings

I mention that, Risto had good year under him, other vets had a year, even Dahlin had 40 pts in 50+ games Ralphs first year but in writeups and WGR his first year is forgotten and only the 2nd year when the train went off the tracks is it mentioned.

My theory is the Jeremy Whites and others who LOVE Skinner and hate that Ralph took him off the top line couldn't wait to rip him a new one and not have journalistic integrity and give the true story like you just did.
- GilPerreault11

Just about everything imaginable went wrong last year. Ralph takes a little too much of the blame and KA not nearly enough, IMO.

Stupid question, that I’m sure has been discussed, can Montreal trade this guy right now and let the acquiring team make the call on matching the offer sheet?

Me thinks not, but was not sure.

I also think they cannot trade him for 1 year? Maybe? Can’t remember.

Stupid question, that I’m sure has been discussed, can Montreal trade this guy right now and let the acquiring team make the call on matching the offer sheet?

Me thinks not, but was not sure.
- Lilroot9

Nope.

My issue is that the Doctor saying NO to TDR for Eichel is the guy who helped invent them and is the Teacher of Teachers for this stuff.
- Buff36

Pretty sure he didn't invent them but maybe had design input or was part of an initial study or beta launch for one of the companies. There are a lot of top doctors that train for the cervical disc companies and also on design teams. Basically mirroring what he has done.

Its really hard and a matter of opinion from different docs across the US will probably be a little more fusion to TDR. But the case is there for either, its not a hard no for the TDR like it is kind of being portrait. There is too much data out there Now it comes down to the surgeon and what they have experienced and of course the patient.

I imagine for example the docs that have done TDRs on MMA and NFL would be pro TDR here. Just like other surgeons that have done the same but with fusion. So many variables to this scenario that it is too hard to just 100% go with what 1 surgeon is saying. They don't have a ranking system for neuro or ortho spine surgeons to rank them better than another when you are talking about high profile surgeons. So I wouldn't say Cap is the best cervical surgeon out there basically. Don't get me wrong he is a great surgeon. But taking his word and only his with 80 million on the line is worth Jack asking around.

Length of the contract is 1 year too.

Well, at least it won't paralyze you at the lumbar level, well, after L1-L2, so that's nice, I guess.
- Wetbandit1

They fell off the map pretty quickly with initial poor results. They are still around but gold standard there is still an ALIF procedure. Potential leg and back pain from a failed lumbar disc could potentially be a lot. No spine surgery is any fun.