bah, for one season it shouldn't be that much pressure, and KK is most likely aware the amount he's getting stems from a retaliation strategy.
- Pat1993

2 years Avec son statut, tu dois lui donner la même chose l'an prochain.

J'aime bien KK, mais je pense qu'il aurait été mieux à mtl comme deuxième centre qu'en Caroline comme ailier. Habituellement les joueurs de centre veulent jouer au centre. Mais bon, il va jouer avec des bons joueurs, il pourrait avoir une bonne saison. Mais 6 M pour lui? Non. Juste non. Et si ça ajoute de la pression sur lui et affecte ses performances.....mais bon, il aura pt moins de pression en Caroline. Ici ce serait terrible.
- deadpoulet

100% d'accord, le montant accordé par Waddell était essentiellement pour faire chier Bergevin lol... mais il y a rien qui nous dit qu'il fera pas une autre transaction et envoyer un centre ailleurs, et garder KK en tant que centre dans l'alignment.

There's almost no way he can match it. They did it on purpose now so that they couldn't use the Weber LTIR savings.
- AdamFrench

I'm just wondering what happened there. Like, Bergevin could not get something done before cause KK was expecting something like this to happen? Cause people says he was a 3rd liner when he was most likely mtl 2nd line C next season.

Bergevin almost have to move for a C now. Unless they think Evans is a 2C. I just can't see Drouin back at that position.

2 years Avec son statut, tu dois lui donner la même chose l'an prochain.
- deadpoulet

t'es certain? sur capfriendly il y a un cap hit sur seulement un an... et il est actuellement le troisième joueur le mieux payé de son équipe lol

Take the picks. As much as I like KK, he's not worth over $6 million right now.

Carolina may have gotten revenge, but this will probably bite them in the long run. Besides, if he doesn't play well enough, they won't qualify him at $6.1 million next year. That will make Kotkianiemi a UFA which means Montreal could sign him then.

Getting two free draft picks and signing the same player one year later could be sweet.

100% d'accord, le montant accordé par Waddell était essentiellement pour faire chier Bergevin lol... mais il y a rien qui nous dit qu'il fera pas une autre transaction et envoyer un centre ailleurs, et garder KK en tant que centre dans l'alignment.
- Pat1993

Pt et je ne sais pas où ils sont avec l'espace salarial.


C'est vraiment une situation frustrante où tout le monde est fâché contre tout le monde. À l'époque j'étais contre le benching de KK en séries, mais en même temps le dit benching était pt justifié.

Revenge? I guess it would be if KK was proven the way Aho was when MB offered sheeted him. They must be banking hard on KK having a good year in Carolina which is quite possible especially if KK solves his consistency issues. However this could blow up in Waddell's and Dundan's face pretty hard if he doesnt and gets outproduced/hustled by a guy like Necas who is up for a deal next summer. This contract already puts Carolina against the cap and if Necas does outproduce KK how much will he want? The same question we ask here about if MB does match, how much will Suzuki want? I think the sound choice here is to let him walk, take the picks and put together a package for a guy like Dvorak.
- habfanforever

You can't get enough lip stick on this pig to make it look any different than what it is.

This is a suicide mission by the Carolina owner for the single purpose of damaging Bergeron personally and the Canadiens as an organization.

When you try to apply reason you discover that there is no logic to what the Canes have done. This is a stealth missile during Holy Week. As teams are trying to finalize their rosters heading into training camp. The purpose of the attack is to cause as much chaos as possible.

Clearly the Canes decided to pay the cost of the attack up front. Does any of it make sense? No!

But, was it worth doing? The Canes and most other GM's are roaring with laughter and sheer delight over the knot that has been tied around Bergeron's plans.

Something tells me Bergevin will match, but something tells me he just can't. Main reason being this. You have to give him the same next season. He would screw their own salary structure.


Oh, and the pressure to play up to 6M? Good luck with that.

Lots of mistakes being made on that move.
- deadpoulet

It does put Habs in a pickle. It’s not fair compensation for a guy picked 3rd over all 3 years ago….if they match they are signing a guy who “knowingly” just put it to his own team. It really depends on what Bergevin thinks his upside is…. 6.1 for one year…they can handle that. Depending on his year, maybe it’s more clear after this season what a long term deal should look like, knowing he’s guaranteed at least that 6.1 a year from now….but maybe a smaller AAV for longer term is worked out. It’s a head ache of Bergevin own making but I hardly blame him for using the system to go after Aho.
90% of GMs would match…I’m not sure Bergevin is one of them. It really depends who he’s more pissed at….the Canes or the player?

Pt et je ne sais pas où ils sont avec l'espace salarial.


C'est vraiment une situation frustrante où tout le monde est fâché contre tout le monde. À l'époque j'étais contre le benching de KK en séries, mais en même temps le dit benching était pt justifié.
- deadpoulet

ouin, il y avait un ptit manque de constance dans son jeu, mais c'est normal pour un jeune qui apprend d'avoir des hauts et des bas, surtout à la position de centre.

t'es certain? sur capfriendly il y a un cap hit sur seulement un an... et il est actuellement le troisième joueur le mieux payé de son équipe lol
- Pat1993

Oui l'offre est d'un an. Mais vu que c'est un RFA, si tu veux garder ses droits (et le joueur) l'année d'après, tu dois lui soumettre une offre qualificative au moins égale à ce qu'il vient de signer. Autrement tu perds ses droits l'année suivant et je crois qu'il deviendrait un UFA. Ça change pt avec la question de l'arbitrage, mais je crois qu'il est trop jeune pour ça anyway.

Je crois que c'est mentionné dans le blog.

You can't get enough lip stick on this pig to make it look any different than what it is.

This is a suicide mission by the Carolina owner for the single purpose of damaging Bergeron personally and the Canadiens as an organization.

When you try to apply reason you discover that there is no logic to what the Canes have done. This is a stealth missile during Holy Week. As teams are trying to finalize their rosters heading into training camp. The purpose of the attack is to cause as much chaos as possible.

Clearly the Canes decided to pay the cost of the attack up front. Does any of it make sense? No!

But, was it worth doing? The Canes and most other GM's are roaring with laughter and sheer delight over the knot that has been tied around Bergeron's plans.
- spatso

It makes sense if the Canes owner is sending a clear message about his franchise….F with me and I will respond. That’s worth a one year over pay for a kid with that type of potential.

Something tells me Bergevin will match, but something tells me he just can't. Main reason being this. You have to give him the same next season. He would screw their own salary structure.


Oh, and the pressure to play up to 6M? Good luck with that.

Lots of mistakes being made on that move.
- deadpoulet

Can’t you sign him long term after next season for less AAV? Something like 3 years $10M.

What does Patrice Bergeron have to do with this?

ouin, il y avait un ptit manque de constance dans son jeu, mais c'est normal pour un jeune qui apprend d'avoir des hauts et des bas, surtout à la position de centre.
- Pat1993

Oui, je suis d'accord. Il est encore très jeune. Mais la direction voulait plus de constance et le joueur semblait frustré contre la dite direction et le coaching staff. Les Canes sont frustrés comme des enfants de 3 ans avec leur offre et leur bonus de 20$. Les partisans sont frustrés contre le joueur et sentent le besoin de le dénigrer alors que notre ligne de centre était déjà suspecte avec KK dans l'alignement. Oui, Bergevin peut bouger, mais les autres DGS doivent le venir voir de loin.

Oui l'offre est d'un an. Mais vu que c'est un RFA, si tu veux garder ses droits (et le joueur) l'année d'après, tu dois lui soumettre une offre qualificative au moins égale à ce qu'il vient de signer. Autrement tu perds ses droits l'année suivant et je crois qu'il deviendrait un UFA. Ça change pt avec la question de l'arbitrage, mais je crois qu'il est trop jeune pour ça anyway.

Je crois que c'est mentionné dans le blog.
- deadpoulet

ahh je vois, merci pour la clarification.

en tout cas le Tweet des Canes en français fait plus ou moins de sens, quand ils disent "Les Hurricanes ont annoncé aujourd’hui avoir déposé une offre hostile", c'est parce que c'est vous autres les Hurricanes, c'est vous autres même qui êtes en train de l'annoncer avec votre propre compte lololll...

It makes sense if the Canes owner is sending a clear message about his franchise….F with me and I will respond. That’s worth a one year over pay for a kid with that type of potential.
- landros 2

2 years

What does Patrice Bergeron have to do with this?
- AdamFrench

Pete?

Can’t you sign him long term after next season for less AAV? Something like 3 years $10M.
- AGalchenyuk27

No I think he needs to have the same AAV to be qualified. Otherwise you lose the rights on the player and he hits the market as UFA.

I think so anyway.

It makes sense if the Canes owner is sending a clear message about his franchise….F with me and I will respond. That’s worth a one year over pay for a kid with that type of potential.
- landros 2

I think you used the magic word "franchise."

Owners are partners with one another and Aho was seen by Carolina as an attempt to mess with their franchise. So many of the commentators on this subject are trying to figure out the logic. There is none.

Bergeron woke up to discover the Godfather had killed his favourite horse, cut off his head and put the bloody head in his bed while he was sleeping.

So it is now probably up to Molson to make peace. Or, perhaps they decide to escalate the war.

No I think he needs to have the same AAV to be qualified. Otherwise you lose the rights on the player and he hits the market as UFA.

I think so anyway.
- deadpoulet

Yea qualified has to be same AAV but they could sign him to less if he agrees to long term deal I think.

No I think he needs to have the same AAV to be qualified. Otherwise you lose the rights on the player and he hits the market as UFA.

I think so anyway.
- deadpoulet

If he plays crappy next season all bets are off and I think he will not play well

No I think he needs to have the same AAV to be qualified. Otherwise you lose the rights on the player and he hits the market as UFA.

I think so anyway.
- deadpoulet

Can they not negotiate and sign a long term deal before the qualifying offer is due?

2 years
- deadpoulet

Only if he goes to arbitration next year…

Can they not negotiate and sign a long term deal before the qualifying offer is due?
- spatso

Yes.

If he plays crappy next season all bets are off and I think he will not play well
- habs88888

So, if Montreal matches and he plays poorly...fans will be upset. This is a very clever and twisted act of revenge.