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CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Aug 31 @ 3:33 AM ET
I debate the 'quality' of depth, but my point is, with an OS to Petey, you have to ask yourself if you can build around him or end up stagnating like TML with their Big 4. If it's going to prevent the team from being able to sign Boeser, Hoglander, et. al, then maybe you move on from Petey, realize that you have an opportunity to get that McDavid or Crosby-lite generational talent in Bedard and start over. Tying up your cap to match an offer sheet that's designed to screw you over is bad business... Then again, this is JB we're talking about and probably will sign Petey for whatever the theoretical OS might have been anyways.
- DariusKnight

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DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Aug 31 @ 4:13 AM ET
To be fair, this is all hypothetical anyways, because Petey isn't going to sign an OS unless some team decides to shell out a contract that's worth more than whoever's got the biggest number right now for 8 years and nobody has that amount of capspace available at this point.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Aug 31 @ 5:54 AM ET
You spend too much time on PornHub...
- boonerbuck


PornHub > PlumbingBuzz
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Aug 31 @ 9:54 AM ET
I'd let Petey go and then trade Boeser, JTM, Bo and QH at the deadline/end of the season and tank next season for Bedard and the next OV and use all the picks, prospects to make sure I get them... Of course in this scenario, JB, TG and the rest are long gone.
- DariusKnight



An excellent troll sire. Well done.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Aug 31 @ 10:01 AM ET
To be fair, this is all hypothetical anyways, because Petey isn't going to sign an OS unless some team decides to shell out a contract that's worth more than whoever's got the biggest number right now for 8 years and nobody has that amount of capspace available at this point.
- DariusKnight


Here’s an old but very interesting article I came across from (trigger warning) Canucks Army regarding offer sheets during the Gillis era.

https://canucksarmy.com/2...enn-offer-sheet-anecdote/

Say what you will about Gillis but he was always looking for inventive ways to obtain players. I heard about the Jamie Benn offer sheet but hadn’t heard about a possible Shea Weber offer sheet ($14M/1year) back in 2013. Crazy stuff.

manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Aug 31 @ 10:07 AM ET
Im pretty sure Carol mentioned they are at some point recently
- neem55

With other leagues starting, I am guessing that it won't be happening. Plus borders still pretty well closed.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Aug 31 @ 10:09 AM ET
I debate the 'quality' of depth, but my point is, with an OS to Petey, you have to ask yourself if you can build around him or end up stagnating like TML with their Big 4. If it's going to prevent the team from being able to sign Boeser, Hoglander, et. al, then maybe you move on from Petey, realize that you have an opportunity to get that McDavid or Crosby-lite generational talent in Bedard and start over. Tying up your cap to match an offer sheet that's designed to screw you over is bad business... Then again, this is JB we're talking about and probably will sign Petey for whatever the theoretical OS might have been anyways.
- DariusKnight

Boston model.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Aug 31 @ 10:28 AM ET
I debate the 'quality' of depth, but my point is, with an OS to Petey, you have to ask yourself if you can build around him or end up stagnating like TML with their Big 4. If it's going to prevent the team from being able to sign Boeser, Hoglander, et. al, then maybe you move on from Petey, realize that you have an opportunity to get that McDavid or Crosby-lite generational talent in Bedard and start over. Tying up your cap to match an offer sheet that's designed to screw you over is bad business... Then again, this is JB we're talking about and probably will sign Petey for whatever the theoretical OS might have been anyways.
- DariusKnight


Lot of flexibility and options for JB
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Aug 31 @ 10:37 AM ET
Lot of flexibility and options for JB
- Nucker101


Can you elaborate?
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Aug 31 @ 10:45 AM ET
Lot of flexibility and options for JB
- Nucker101

manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Aug 31 @ 10:45 AM ET
Can you elaborate?
- Reubenkincade

manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Aug 31 @ 10:46 AM ET

- LordHumungous

Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Aug 31 @ 10:46 AM ET
An interesting tidbit on the Kotkaniemi signing

Puck Pedia: Next offseason either the Carolina Hurricanes or Montreal Canadiens could file for Club Elected salary arbitration for Kotkaniemi and request 85 percent of his current salary. That would come in at $5.185 million. They would retain his rights and wouldn’t have to send him a $6.1 million qualifying offer.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Aug 31 @ 10:53 AM ET

- manvanfan

LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Aug 31 @ 10:59 AM ET

- manvanfan

Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Aug 31 @ 11:00 AM ET
Here’s an old but very interesting article I came across from (trigger warning) Canucks Army regarding offer sheets during the Gillis era.

https://canucksarmy.com/2...enn-offer-sheet-anecdote/

Say what you will about Gillis but he was always looking for inventive ways to obtain players. I heard about the Jamie Benn offer sheet but hadn’t heard about a possible Shea Weber offer sheet ($14M/1year) back in 2013. Crazy stuff.

- bloatedmosquito


A team like Ottawa could quite easily do something similar as what Gillis was considering and what Carolina did with Kotkaniemi, offer a 1 year, inflated salary.
They have lots of good young talent, capspace and are looking for a player of his calibre.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 31 @ 11:09 AM ET
A team like Ottawa could quite easily do something similar as what Gillis was considering and what Carolina did with Kotkaniemi, offer a 1 year, inflated salary.
They have lots of good young talent, capspace and are looking for a player of his calibre.

- Reubenkincade


They could drive up the price . If Ottawa did do it I would turn around and drive up the price of Tkachuk and in two years Stutzle and next year Norris.

I have heard Ottawa are looking into Eichel and that sort of brings me back to when Canucks got Miller. You ask "Is it the wrong time for that type of move?"
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Aug 31 @ 11:10 AM ET

- LordHumungous

Nighthawk right now
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Aug 31 @ 11:12 AM ET
A team like Ottawa could quite easily do something similar as what Gillis was considering and what Carolina did with Kotkaniemi, offer a 1 year, inflated salary.
They have lots of good young talent, capspace and are looking for a player of his calibre.

- Reubenkincade

$10,276,830 - ∞ 4 First Round Picks

Anything above that is probably the only way that Van is going to have trouble matching it.

I would whole take 4 firsts for Petey.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Aug 31 @ 11:19 AM ET
I debate the 'quality' of depth, but my point is, with an OS to Petey, you have to ask yourself if you can build around him or end up stagnating like TML with their Big 4. If it's going to prevent the team from being able to sign Boeser, Hoglander, et. al, then maybe you move on from Petey, realize that you have an opportunity to get that McDavid or Crosby-lite generational talent in Bedard and start over. Tying up your cap to match an offer sheet that's designed to screw you over is bad business... Then again, this is JB we're talking about and probably will sign Petey for whatever the theoretical OS might have been anyways.
- DariusKnight

Not probably, he literally said he would. No team in the league has the balls nor the means to OS Petey over 10 mil, 0 chance he leaves Van.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Aug 31 @ 11:23 AM ET
Not probably, he literally said he would. No team in the league has the balls nor the means to OS Petey over 10 mil, 0 chance he leaves Van.
- NorthNuck


I heard that many times on here about there was no way Luongo would retire, he would go on LTIR.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Aug 31 @ 11:25 AM ET
They could drive up the price . If Ottawa did do it I would turn around and drive up the price of Tkachuk and in two years Stutzle and next year Norris.

I have heard Ottawa are looking into Eichel and that sort of brings me back to when Canucks got Miller. You ask "Is it the wrong time for that type of move?"

- VANTEL


The thing is, Ottawa has 28 million is capspace and can sign those guys, Canucks will be tight to try manouever, IMO
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 31 @ 11:26 AM ET
I just read minutes ago Ott wants to do a bridge deal with Tkachuk 3 x 3 . I doubt they will offer Petey 10 mil +.

Unreliable source, but wild if true.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Aug 31 @ 11:27 AM ET
$10,276,830 - ∞ 4 First Round Picks

Anything above that is probably the only way that Van is going to have trouble matching it.

I would whole take 4 firsts for Petey.

- manvanfan


I would take the 1sts as well, but Benning has sorta gone in this year, for a playoff run.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 31 @ 11:28 AM ET
The thing is, Ottawa has 28 million is capspace and can sign those guys, Canucks will be tight to try manouever, IMO
- Reubenkincade


I get that and would gladly take their first round pick for the next four years but I would still force them to overpay on their RFAs for the next 10 years.
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