The devil's need a guy like oloffson who can score even if it's just his lethal PP SHOT

what would it take In a trade
- dmarsden2988

Did something happen to Alexander Holtz ?

If it wasn't obvious before, it should be painfully obvious now just how much every single team and their fans massively overestimate and over value their prospects.

It's crystal clear in Eichel trade scenarios and we definitely have posters here who talk like most of the Sabres prospects are going to turn into quality NHL players, when the reality is quite different.

It's interesting how the NHL is like this while the NBA is not.

If it wasn't obvious before, it should be painfully obvious now just how much every single team and their fans massively overestimate and over value their prospects.

It's crystal clear in Eichel trade scenarios and we definitely have posters here who talk like most of the Sabres prospects are going to turn into quality NHL players, when the reality is quite different.

It's interesting how the NHL is like this while the NBA is not.
- kingcong39

The NBA can get away with not developing their prospects, either they are good right away or not. There is only 15 rostered players and only 8 have to suit up a night. Much different than hockey.

The NBA can get away with not developing their prospects, either they are good right away or not. There is only 15 rostered players and only 8 have to suit up a night. Much different than hockey.
- Stripes77

Partially agree, but the NHL doesn't seem to accept the reality that many or even most of their prospects don't pan out, so they hold onto them like grim death.

It makes for a boring league in terms of trades.

KK can't be traded if the Habs match for 1 years
- Stripes77

👍

This may have been the original framework of a trade, until Carolina interfered.

Mtlsabres may have been on to something.

Part of the "plan" was to block the eichel trade too

KK can't be traded if the Habs match for 1 years
- Stripes77

👍

This may have been the original framework of a trade, until Carolina interfered.

Mtlsabres may have been on to something.

Part of the "plan" was to block the eichel trade too

We want our Buffalo boy back
- Hank Balling

It's a tempting offer

But the devil's would be left with no toughness

So throw on a plug and deal

It's a tempting offer

But the devil's would be left with no toughness

So throw on a plug and deal
- dmarsden2988

Cody Eakin

The NBA can get away with not developing their prospects, either they are good right away or not. There is only 15 rostered players and only 8 have to suit up a night. Much different than hockey.
- Stripes77

Not to mention, most of the NBA picks are college kids who are/have to be, (per league rules) at least one year removed from high school, so most of them are 19 and older. It makes a difference.

It's a tempting offer

But the devil's would be left with no toughness

So throw on a plug and deal
- dmarsden2988

Can I interest you in the elitely large Brett Murray?

https://www.eliteprospect...layer/267772/brett-murray

Did something happen to Alexander Holtz ?
- Pegullaville

He will probably start in the AHL unless he really impresses in camp, he came over last year after his league finished and played a few games in Binghamton and played well and the coach said you could see his talent especially his shot but he needs to get used to the NA game and rink

Partially agree, but the NHL doesn't seem to accept the reality that many or even most of their prospects don't pan out, so they hold onto them like grim death.

It makes for a boring league in terms of trades.
- kingcong39

Is that because of the prospects or because they're an RFA till 26 usually and then they want to sign a 8 year contract.

NBA you can only sign 5 years Max and thats if you've been with the team. 4 years if not.

Having guys contracts expire more often makes for more movement

It's humorous that he used the words small and soft when you can use those exact words to describe Olofsson, but he's a feel good 7th round pick story so it doesn't matter.
- kingcong39

There's definitely a lower bar for a guy picked 179 picks later.

Maybe not in your world, where you are able to spot the really good players early on and extend them before they shows signs of being starters.

Still trying to figure out the ullmark stance you took.

1. Should have extended ullmark for 3 or 4 million 2 years ago, after putting up a 3.11 gaa
2. Should have been worried about our goaltending last year, including the back up who was pegged for 8-10 games while upl was getting ready for spot starts. Even though you liked ullmark.
3. Should have traded him for huge return at the deadline, some how not realizing it takes 2 to make a trade.
4. Why sign ullmark when your trying to lose?

The devil's need a guy like oloffson who can score even if it's just his lethal PP SHOT

what would it take In a trade
- dmarsden2988

Give me wood. Give me wood!!!

Wait, that doesn’t sound good…

He will probably start in the AHL unless he really impresses in camp, he came over last year after his league finished and played a few games in Binghamton and played well and the coach said you could see his talent especially his shot but he needs to get used to the NA game and rink
- dmarsden2988

Oh I agree.

I thought you meant you didn’t have one in the organization itself.

Holtz profiles a lot like Olofsson to be fair

There's definitely a lower bar for a guy picked 179 picks later.

Maybe not in your world, where you are able to spot the really good players early on and extend them before they shows signs of being starters.

Still trying to figure out the ullmark stance you took.

1. Should have extended ullmark for 3 or 4 million 2 years ago, after putting up a 3.11 gaa
2. Should have been worried about our goaltending last year, including the back up who was pegged for 8-10 games while upl was getting ready for spot starts. Even though you liked ullmark.
3. Should have traded him for huge return at the deadline, some how not realizing it takes 2 to make a trade.
4. Why sign ullmark when your trying to lose?
- Boss34

I'll make it clear for you since you're having difficulty understanding.

1. You may have been the only person who thought planning on having UPL start some games for the Sabres last year when they were trying to win was a good idea and plan. It was not. Fail.

2. After the 2018-2019 season where Ullmark had a 905 save percentage (convenient that you left that out, but hardly a surprise), I would've been trying to see if he would sign a 4 year deal at $2M to $2.5M per, banking on his continued development.

3. After the 2019-2020 season, I would've been attempting again to try and sign Ullmark to a 4 year deal, this time for $3M to $4M per, again banking on his continued development.

4. If he said yes to the deal after 18-19 or 19-20, I would've done everything possible to bring in another starter level goaltender to split starts with Ullmark, and waived Hutton.

5. If Ullmark said no to the deal after the 18-19 and 19-20 deals offered, I would've brought in 2 starter level goaltenders to split starts, traded Ullmark, and waived Hutton.

They were trying to be a winning, playoff team last offseason, and the goaltending was an embarrassment.

It was clearly an embarrassment during last offseason, and when the season began.

Only the Sabres seemed to fail to see that, which is not a surprise considering their track record.

You also seem to have failed to see the goaltending being a big issue considering you were expecting UPL to be making spot starts.

I've never been a huge fan of Ullmark, but he's a competent NHL goaltender.

You either invest in him or you move him.

You don't nickel and dime it until you lose him for nothing, but I guess that's what a team with virtually zero long term plan does.

There's definitely a lower bar for a guy picked 179 picks later.
- Boss34

How long do you keep the bar low for a player?

3 years of NHL play? 5?

2. Should have been worried about our goaltending last year, including the back up who was pegged for 8-10 games while upl was getting ready for spot starts. Even though you liked ullmark.
- Boss34

It was a very compressed 56 game schedule last year.

Easy to see a team would need at least 2 quality NHL goaltenders, not one like the Sabres had.

Their goaltending roster construction was a recipe for disaster, and that's exactly what happened.

I'll make it clear for you since you're having difficulty understanding.

1. You may have been the only person who thought planning on having UPL start some games for the Sabres last year when they were trying to win was a good idea and plan. It was not. Fail.

2. After the 2018-2019 season where Ullmark had a 905 save percentage (convenient that you left that out, but hardly a surprise), I would've been trying to see if he would sign a 4 year deal at $2M to $2.5M per, banking on his continued development.

3. After the 2019-2020 season, I would've been attempting again to try and sign Ullmark to a 4 year deal, this time for $3M to $4M per, again banking on his continued development.

4. If he said yes to the deal after 18-19 or 19-20, I would've done everything possible to bring in another starter level goaltender to split starts with Ullmark, and waived Hutton.

5. If Ullmark said no to the deal after the 18-19 and 19-20 deals offered, I would've brought in 2 starter level goaltenders to split starts, traded Ullmark, and waived Hutton.

They were trying to be a winning, playoff team last offseason, and the goaltending was an embarrassment.

It was clearly an embarrassment during last offseason, and when the season began.

Only the Sabres seemed to fail to see that, which is not a surprise considering their track record.

You also seem to have failed to see the goaltending being a big issue considering you were expecting UPL to be making spot starts.

I've never been a huge fan of Ullmark, but he's a competent NHL goaltender.

You either invest in him or you move him.

You don't nickel and dime it until you lose him for nothing, but I guess that's what a team with virtually zero long term plan does.
- kingcong39

This post is all over the place.

You're going to invest long term in an "embarrassment" that's always hurt?

No, thank you.

I'm glad they moved on. Their biggest failure wasn't "nickel and diming" Ullmark until he left. It was not having a back up plan for when he did leave.

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- Stripes77

Had to figure someone was going, hopefully they got a return, he was going to get claimed for sure.

This post is all over the place.

You're going to invest long term in an "embarrassment" that's always hurt?

No, thank you.

I'm glad they moved on. Their biggest failure wasn't "nickel and diming" Ullmark until he left. It was not having a back up plan for when he did leave.
- Powerslave

Your ability to comprehend and understand is the issue.

If he wouldn't sign a multi-year deal, they should've traded him and brought in other goaltending options, especially if they were trying to be a good team like they said they were.

The embarrassing part of their goaltending situation was thinking Hutton could handle playing any games after his awful prior season, and making zero attempt to bring in another competent NHL goaltender to take Hutton's place.

Did you think the goaltending tandem of Ullmark and Hutton was going to be good enough for a supposed playoff team last season?

Your ability to comprehend and understand is the issue.

If he wouldn't sign a multi-year deal, they should've traded him and brought in other goaltending options, especially if they were trying to be a good team like they said they were.

The embarrassing part of their goaltending situation was thinking Hutton could handle playing any games after his awful prior season, and making zero attempt to bring in another competent NHL goaltender to take Hutton's place.

Did you think the goaltending tandem of Ullmark and Hutton was going to be good enough for a supposed playoff team last season?
- kingcong39

You are excellent in Monday morning quarterbacking things.

If Ullmark was worth locking up, per you, then he should have carried them to a playoff spot, no? Oh, wait. He was hurt yet again.

You are excellent in Monday morning quarterbacking things.

If Ullmark was worth locking up, per you, then he should have carried them to a playoff spot, no? Oh, wait. He was hurt yet again.
- Powerslave

Which even further proves his point, that the Sabres did nothing to fix their goaltending issues

They let an oft injured Ullmark have Hutton as his back up on a year they were trying to make the playoffs

Which even further proves his point, that the Sabres did nothing to fix their goaltending issues

They let an oft injured Ullmark have Hutton as his back up on a year they were trying to make the playoffs
- Stripes77

But we should have locked the "oft injured" player up?

Um, no.