Steve Warne
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It can't be easy for Logan Brown, staring at the business end of a 6th training camp since his draft day. But I think he's wrong if he believes another organization might represent a faster, easier path to the NHL. Opportunity still knocks loudly in Ottawa.
- david22

Does Brown have some family issues?

Reminds me of an entitlement attitude.

Maybe I am wrong, but is it not up the player to make it impossible for the coach to send him down? Nothing in his Ottawa experience suggests there is a groundswell of noise demanding he get NHL ice time.

I wonder if the focus on blaming Ottawa coaches, Smith in particular, is a low grade form of denial where the young man is unable or unwilling to look at his own shortcomings.

Does Brown have some family issues?

Reminds me of an entitlement attitude.

Maybe I am wrong, but is it not up the player to make it impossible for the coach to send him down? Nothing in his Ottawa experience suggests there is a groundswell of noise demanding he get NHL ice time.

I wonder if the focus on blaming Ottawa coaches, Smith in particular, is a low grade form of denial where the young man is unable or unwilling to look at his own shortcomings.
- spatso

The only reason we didn't get to watch Paquette and Coburn and Gudbranson and Stepan all season long is because Smith no longer had that option available to him. He needs to be forced to play Brown on a decent line with decent minutes. If Brown messes it up for any reason that's on him.

This team is not going anywhere this year because they're just not ready yet and so they have the luxury of finding out what they have so they don't give up on players too soon and don't squander assets aquiring players they don't need.

Maybe LB has character issues I'm unaware of. All I know is that all the scouting reports on him were very good with no mention of being soft or having character or additude problems. He just ran into a really long string of bad luck with injuries.

I can see how a coach or GM would get frustrated having to constantly readjust their lineup but I don't think that's a legitimate reason to just get rid of a player with so much potential. If things don't work out you don't lose much because Brown's value isn't exactly sky high right now.

Smith has matured and upped his game. Just like a player making the jump to the next level of professional tier .if he did not evolve , get better he likely would not of had a new contract. I think he is progressing nicely . This season is the biggest litmus test for him and all the players. Cant wait to see how it unfolds.

Smith has matured and upped his game. Just like a player making the jump to the next level of professional tier .if he did not evolve , get better he likely would not of had a new contract. I think he is progressing nicely . This season is the biggest litmus test for him and all the players. Cant wait to see how it unfolds.
- spazzbot

My preference would be for the Sens to be competitive every night. It would be a great year if they are within a few games of making the playoffs at the trade deadline. I think making the playoffs is false target when building a contending team.

So, for me, the season would be a grand success if the Sens show up every night, if they add a couple more rookie/prospects into their line-up and they knock the snot out of the blue team every time they meet.

My preference would be for the Sens to be competitive every night. It would be a great year if they are within a few games of making the playoffs at the trade deadline. I think making the playoffs is false target when building a contending team.

So, for me, the season would be a grand success if the Sens show up every night, if they add a couple more rookie/prospects into their line-up and they knock the snot out of the blue team every time they meet.
- spatso

Yep. That would be a great outcome. Nice progression if they were in the mix late in the season. Would be interesting at trade deadline to see what kind of moves the Sens may make. If they are in a spot or just outside with a chance.
I lived through all those playoff losses as well. Not a fan of any incarnation of the blue team. They are a hard team to figure out at this point. They may run the gamut then bounce out 1st rnd, or may fail to even qualify or just squeak in and go on a deep run. Anyway as long as the Sens do their part in beating them. Im happy.

If he signed a new two way deal and had to be sent down (and passed through waivers unclaimed) that would be a pretty big wake upcall for the player.

Go play in Sweden.
Learn the difference between hurt and injured.
Grow a pair.
Stay in the line up for more than 2 games in a row.
It's grown up time LB.

The only reason we didn't get to watch Paquette and Coburn and Gudbranson and Stepan all season long is because Smith no longer had that option available to him. He needs to be forced to play Brown on a decent line with decent minutes. If Brown messes it up for any reason that's on him.

This team is not going anywhere this year because they're just not ready yet and so they have the luxury of finding out what they have so they don't give up on players too soon and don't squander assets aquiring players they don't need.

Maybe LB has character issues I'm unaware of. All I know is that all the scouting reports on him were very good with no mention of being soft or having character or additude problems. He just ran into a really long string of bad luck with injuries.

I can see how a coach or GM would get frustrated having to constantly readjust their lineup but I don't think that's a legitimate reason to just get rid of a player with so much potential. If things don't work out you don't lose much because Brown's value isn't exactly sky high right now.
- Whatisavailable

You forgot Anisimov, Dzingle, Formenton, Galcheniuck, Tierney, White, Boedcker, Ennis, Hawriluck, Sabourin, Namestnikov, etc. There is absolutely no reason that Brown could not play at C or W on the team. But the Sens answer is always the player is not ready, he needs to work on something and the media and fans just gobble it up line hook and sinker. Then the negative stuff starts. We should always remember that there's 2 sides to every story and it shouldn't all be on L. Brown. Right now there's too much animosity between the 2 sides and the situation is beyond repair. I don't think Dorion's compromise is going to do it. The Sens dropped the ball on this one and they'll accommodate him and trade him. I think Melnyck would like this to go away. He's gone

You forgot Anisimov, Dzingle, Formenton, Galcheniuck, Tierney, White, Boedcker, Ennis, Hawriluck, Sabourin, Namestnikov, etc. There is absolutely no reason that Brown could not play at C or W on the team. But the Sens answer is always the player is not ready, he needs to work on something and the media and fans just gobble it up line hook and sinker. Then the negative stuff starts. We should always remember that there's 2 sides to every story and it shouldn't all be on L. Brown. Right now there's too much animosity between the 2 sides and the situation is beyond repair. I don't think Dorion's compromise is going to do it. The Sens dropped the ball on this one and they'll accommodate him and trade him. I think Melnyck would like this to go away. He's gone
- granpa

Brian Murray was a pretty fair guy and if he were still GM I do not doubt he would give the kid a break and move him to a more supportive environment. Surely the ideal spot for L. Bown at this point is arizona.

Brian Murray was a pretty fair guy and if he were still GM I do not doubt he would give the kid a break and move him to a more supportive environment. Surely the ideal spot for L. Bown at this point is arizona.
- spatso

Brian Murray was special when it came to these situations. Brown's situation is similar to Spezza. They're both getting ripped regularly by the media and then carried over by the fans. It's a bad situation and it should be addressed as soon as possible. Brown will never play for Smith there's too much animosity.

Brian Murray was special when it came to these situations. Brown's situation is similar to Spezza. They're both getting ripped regularly by the media and then carried over by the fans. It's a bad situation and it should be addressed as soon as possible. Brown will never play for Smith there's too much animosity.
- granpa

Can Logan Brown come to camp without a contract and just see what happens?

If they cut him, would he not be free to go wherever he wants?

Maybe I am wrong, but is it not up the player to make it impossible for the coach to send him down? Nothing in his Ottawa experience suggests there is a groundswell of noise demanding he get NHL ice time.
- spatso

Brown's situation is combination of being a victim of numbers in training camp, mixed with being all-too-often injured when mid-season opportunities presented themselves. But you're right, at no point has he just made it impossible for the team to send him back to the AHL, and that's 100% on Brown for not making more of an impact at training camp. He was legitimately outplayed by Norris in training camp, and it was relatively clear that Pinto had a better all-round NHL-level skill set right out of the NCAA. And despite the irony of the team actively looking for a #1/2C, it's far more likely that they would cast White in that role, as opposed to rolling the dice on Brown.

Regardless, they've effectively missed their window with Brown, both in terms of player potential, and draft-based asset value. Playing in Europe maybe isn't the worst decision for him... where he'll have more of a chance to demonstrate the scoring potential of his game, with less risk to the organization. If he's a thrives, then you trade him with a bit more perceived value - if he fails, then you re-evaluate how your scouting assessment led you to trade-up for a bust.

Spezza.....is more like a Redden.

I like Shawn Simpson but I remember him arriving to learn the radio business and someone telling him to take the "fan's side on something" and he chose the Spezza angle. Lets rip Jason, lets light the torches and run a perfectly good captain, top six forward, run your power play off the wall guy-----out of town. Jason never "demanded a trade" I hate when I hear that on the radio. I believe the quote was "if you want to trade me, trade me". Heck he'd just built a very expensive home.

Logan isn't quite a bust....but the quickness of the media to turn on players is baffling sometimes. Like, it's a good thing that Lassi Thompson turned things around he was about to be labelled a bust.

Lets rip Jason, lets light the torches and run a perfectly good captain, top six forward, run your power play off the wall guy-----out of town.
- Octavarium

I swear, when it comes to Spezza it's like some people were watching another guy entirely. Yes, I saw that fancy stick-handling move... but did you miss that he was virtually always in the top-10 in the NHL for giveaways? Yes, his scoring numbers were pretty good... but did you not hear him say to the media that it was okay that he hadn't scored in the past 2 games that they'd lost, because he had 3pts the game before? What kind of leadership does that model for the rest of his team, especially for players whose primary role is to show up and work hard every night? And it's not like Ottawa has a history of hating its captains, because he was bookended by Alfredsson and Karlsson, two of the most adored players in team-history. He was just a bad captain, pure and simple.

Seriously, anyone who honestly thinks they made a mistake, and should have kept Spezza as "C" with some kind of major long-term deal needs to re-evaluate that position, because even the most basic evidence review is pretty clear to the contrary. Not only was there very limited trade interest in him when he was available, but Dallas was damn lucky they only gave him a 4yr extension, because he was one of the absolute worst $7M+ players in the NHL for the last 1/2 of that contract. To his credit, Spezza has actually been better with the Leafs, playing for $700K with virtually no expectations... it's just too bad that kind of motivation wasn't there more consistently earlier in his career, when it mattered.

I miss seeing Murray fidget in the press box..

Nick Paul is looking decent

I miss seeing Murray fidget in the press box..

Nick Paul is looking decent

Great news , Dorion extension to 24-25 season

That Simmer guy at TSN really thinks a lot of himself and how much influence he has over the Tkachuk negotiations.

Kevin, if that mean Tkachuk long term and Eichel coming 😉

Great news , Dorion extension to 24-25 season
- Crosside

Not really a surprise, in principle. Dorion has certainly managed to execute the rebuild within the confines of Melnyk's rather bizarre financial priorities. The timing is a bit bizarre, though. If you're a tinfoil hat type, you might conclude the signing is a passive statement to Tkachuk that if they push for a bridge deal they'll be dealing with Dorion now, and they'll be dealing with Dorion later (i.e. don't expect a new GM with a different approach down the road). But regardless, it sounds like the Tkachuk negotiations are going better, which likely means a bridge deal is coming - which I actually think is the right approach, especially if it's his clear preference.

Brown's situation is combination of being a victim of numbers in training camp, mixed with being all-too-often injured when mid-season opportunities presented themselves. But you're right, at no point has he just made it impossible for the team to send him back to the AHL, and that's 100% on Brown for not making more of an impact at training camp. He was legitimately outplayed by Norris in training camp, and it was relatively clear that Pinto had a better all-round NHL-level skill set right out of the NCAA. And despite the irony of the team actively looking for a #1/2C, it's far more likely that they would cast White in that role, as opposed to rolling the dice on Brown.

Regardless, they've effectively missed their window with Brown, both in terms of player potential, and draft-based asset value. Playing in Europe maybe isn't the worst decision for him... where he'll have more of a chance to demonstrate the scoring potential of his game, with less risk to the organization. If he's a thrives, then you trade him with a bit more perceived value - if he fails, then you re-evaluate how your scouting assessment led you to trade-up for a bust.
- khawk

Duly noted. I got you down as L. Brown being a total bust.

Duly noted. I got you down as L. Brown being a total bust.
- granpa

Hell, if we're playing that game then put me down for having been vocal about my preference for Charlie McAvoy back in June, 2016. Note to Dorion... when you've got a solid all-round 6'0-200lbs RHD available to you at #11 who's already had a great rookie season with a top-notch NCAA program (38GP, 26Pts, 51PIM, +9 for Boston University) plus significant WJC experience, you draft that guy.

Not really a surprise, in principle. Dorion has certainly managed to execute the rebuild within the confines of Melnyk's rather bizarre financial priorities. The timing is a bit bizarre, though. If you're a tinfoil hat type, you might conclude the signing is a passive statement to Tkachuk that if they push for a bridge deal they'll be dealing with Dorion now, and they'll be dealing with Dorion later (i.e. don't expect a new GM with a different approach down the road). But regardless, it sounds like the Tkachuk negotiations are going better, which likely means a bridge deal is coming - which I actually think is the right approach, especially if it's his clear preference.
- khawk

I thought the tin foil hats had mcguire pencilled in as the next gm

I thought the tin foil hats had mcguire pencilled in as the next gm
- spazzbot

Next president of everything.
Not some player development balogna.
Spezza was a turnover machine, and not captain material. But a great damn player.

Put me down for Brady NEVER being captain. So he can keep on doing what he does.

The Dorion signing brings 4 more years of mediocrity which fits exactly into Melnyck's plans. They'll be a hard to play against bubble team for 3-4 more years then a new rebuild will begin. First they'll blow it up and accumulate a lot of draft choices, then they'll launch the same marketing plan they did at the end of the 2018-19 season. In 4 years from now we'll be talking about the same things all over again. "GROUNDHOG DAY".

The Dorion signing brings 4 more years of mediocrity which fits exactly into Melnyck's plans. They'll be a hard to play against bubble team for 3-4 more years then a new rebuild will begin. First they'll blow it up and accumulate a lot of draft choices, then they'll launch the same marketing plan they did at the end of the 2018-19 season. In 4 years from now we'll be talking about the same things all over again. "GROUNDHOG DAY".
- granpa