Excellent post. Historic. He was nowhere near Phyllis Housley's numbers.

Housley 1st 2 years:
G 19 A47 P66
G31 A46 P77

Dahlin 1st 2 years:
G 9 A35 P44
G4 A36 P40

Housley scored more goals in his 1st year than Dahlin has in his career. Rsh, i understand it is a different era they are playing in and that is a valid point, but to come here and say what he has done so far is historic because it is the 2nd most points as a teenager, i can't go for that. No, no, no can do. A young buck that is truly generational will come along in the next few years and blow the doors off Dahlin's numbers. Glad he is a distant 2nd. Housley lapped him. Congrats. Also, I'm sorry I'm a caveman who firmly believes that goals win games. Will be awesome if Dahlin lives up to the generational hype, but it hasn't happened yet. There isn't anything wrong with admitting that. It is wrong to try and spin what he has done to date as being historic and meeting the highly touted expectations because you're a fan and in denial.

I never understood why he was garnering the generational hype. He didn't have any lofty numbers pre NHL. He played in the SHL with grown ass men. Big deal, those grown ass men weren't good enough to make it in the NHL. You want to think the kid that scores 8-10 goals in the SHL is going to be great in the NHL, fine. I'll put my money on the kid that scores 50 in the CHL.

Other than that, what the mother (frank). I thought I should be looking forward to when my wife gets to menopause like retiring from work. You mean to tell me it is worse than PMS? FML
- Hatboro_Swords

It's entirely fair to say Dahlin hasn't lived up to his billing yet. He hasn't.

He's going into a season with a more favorable coaching situation for him so we'll see where that takes him

Excellent post. Historic. He was nowhere near Phyllis Housley's numbers.

Housley 1st 2 years:
G 19 A47 P66
G31 A46 P77

Dahlin 1st 2 years:
G 9 A35 P44
G4 A36 P40

Housley scored more goals in his 1st year than Dahlin has in his career. Rsh, i understand it is a different era they are playing in and that is a valid point, but to come here and say what he has done so far is historic because it is the 2nd most points as a teenager, i can't go for that. No, no, no can do. A young buck that is truly generational will come along in the next few years and blow the doors off Dahlin's numbers. Glad he is a distant 2nd. Housley lapped him. Congrats. Also, I'm sorry I'm a caveman who firmly believes that goals win games. Will be awesome if Dahlin lives up to the generational hype, but it hasn't happened yet. There isn't anything wrong with admitting that. It is wrong to try and spin what he has done to date as being historic and meeting the highly touted expectations because you're a fan and in denial.

I never understood why he was garnering the generational hype. He didn't have any lofty numbers pre NHL. He played in the SHL with grown ass men. Big deal, those grown ass men weren't good enough to make it in the NHL. You want to think the kid that scores 8-10 goals in the SHL is going to be great in the NHL, fine. I'll put my money on the kid that scores 50 in the CHL.

Other than that, what the mother (frank). I thought I should be looking forward to when my wife gets to menopause like retiring from work. You mean to tell me it is worse than PMS? FML
- Hatboro_Swords

😀😀😀

Excellent post

It's a denial of reality. Aside from dahlin personally not playing well, he/his team isnt playing well.

Although young, maybe step up some leadership this season? Make them win, like other #1OA picks.


*-6.5 this week for the Bill's, feels like a blowout .

Bill's by 4 or 5

-13
-7
-36
_____
-56 for his career



ok, so I'm not cherry picking . Please defend this as good, kinda good. Not generational 🤔

Too lazy to look up -56 over the past 3 years.

My guess - not good.

Not sure if I saw enough under donnie to negate the first 40 games. Wishful thinking most likely and some new confidence.

He barely beat out risto.... the final 15 games.....
- Boss34

That is tough to find a fair contract that isn't t a lot of potential after a 23 point year too. A lot of hope he develops to be able to play #1 minutes in his own end and earn a 6 million dollar deal or so.

Excellent post. Historic. He was nowhere near Phyllis Housley's numbers.

Housley 1st 2 years:
G 19 A47 P66
G31 A46 P77

Dahlin 1st 2 years:
G 9 A35 P44
G4 A36 P40


- Hatboro_Swords

Player X first two seasons:

7G 46P


Player Y:

11G 52P


Player Z:

18G 71P


Dahlin:

13G 84P

Edit: the 3 unknown players all started their careers this century, unlike Housley

*-6.5 this week for the Bill's, feels like a blowout .

Bill's by 4 or 5
- Boss34

steelers took a big hit on d this offseason


bills 37

steelers 17

Beat our Risto for what?

Donnie came in and it took him a few weeks to get guys in shape and to create a team structure. Dahlin was playing top-line minutes over the last 22 games and was a -3 in that time. Before that? He was a -33. So the kid actually took on a much bigger role under a real coach and he responded by looking like himself. Lets not over-think what happened before that as it was a train wreck like we've never seen before.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/.../id/4294163/rasmus-dahlin
- Slump Buster

Excellent post and I appreciate the information. 👍

Somehow, dahlin couldn't beat out risto for top #1 d minutes. Until the coaching change and guys were getting acclimated to donnie's system.

-56 ?
Oddly no mention 😐

😀😀😀

Excellent post

It's a denial of reality. Aside from dahlin personally not playing well, he/his team isnt playing well.

Although young, maybe step up some leadership this season? Make them win, like other #1OA picks.


*-6.5 this week for the Bill's, feels like a blowout .

Bill's by 4 or 5
- Boss34

Just blame the coach and pretend everything else is fine. After 2 coaches, blame the GM too. Say something about the culture and do it all again.

Player X first two seasons:

7G 46P

Player Y:

11G 52P

Player Z:

18G 71P

Dahlin:

13G 84P

Edit: the 3 unknown players all started their careers this century, unlike Housley
- Wetbandit1

bigger question

would you rather have dahlin

or Makar, Heiskanen, or Fox


the hype was Dahlin was the best prospect since Orr and those other 3 d men lapped him

hopefully it's on ralph and he gets better this fall

Excellent post and I appreciate the information. 👍

Somehow, dahlin couldn't beat out risto for top #1 d minutes. Until the coaching change and guys were getting acclimated to donnie's system.

-56 ?
Oddly no mention 😐
- Boss34

And Risto was playing with AHL D partners to mentor them. People want to forget that part that Bryson was never going to play top-line minutes nor was Samuelsson.

Excellent post and I appreciate the information. 👍

Somehow, dahlin couldn't beat out risto for top #1 d minutes. Until the coaching change and guys were getting acclimated to donnie's system.

-56 ?
Oddly no mention 😐
- Boss34

Good stuff.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Ralphie wasn't the first coach to be mesmerized by Risto's size and skating ability. Also, Risto was a much better fit for the archaic scheme that Ralph was trying to force on a roster that couldn't support it.

So if you take away the -33 that Dahlin had over the course of the once-in-a-lifetime disaster that we saw for the first half of last year you're left with a -23 for the rest of his career. Considering this is a team that has been awful during all of that stretch I don't see how that stat is all that bad.

Also, don't forget that it's been years since we had consistent good goaltending. The fact that Dahlin and the rest of the team righted the ship over the last 22 games while playing with ECHL-level goaltending is remarkable. None of us saw that turnaround coming.

Again, I don't know what people are expecting. What would Cale Makar look like on this team?

bigger question

would you rather have dahlin

or Makar, Heiskanen, or Fox


the hype was Dahlin was the best prospect since Orr and those other 3 d men lapped him

hopefully it's on ralph and he gets better this fall
- homiedclown

Don't forget that Makar and Fox each played significant time in college and then stepped into the pros. Dahlin would still be in college based on age.

Again, I don't know what people are expecting. What would Cale Makar look like on this team?
- Slump Buster

I expect him to look more like a first overall pick than Andy Delmore

Don't forget that Makar and Fox each played significant time in college and then stepped into the pros. Dahlin would still be in college based on age.
- Slump Buster

Makar is 1 year older then Dahlin

time to take the kid gloves off Dahlin

That is tough to find a fair contract that isn't t a lot of potential after a 23 point year too. A lot of hope he develops to be able to play #1 minutes in his own end and earn a 6 million dollar deal or so.
- GilPerreault11

Absolutely, if he showed some potential, but not hskienen or, hughes type skill yet.

I'd like he to play more d, protect himself from turnovers and jump in the rush.

I would love to give him 8 for 60 million on September 20th as preseason begins

bigger question

would you rather have dahlin

or Makar, Heiskanen, or Fox


the hype was Dahlin was the best prospect since Orr and those other 3 d men lapped him

hopefully it's on ralph and he gets better this fall
- homiedclown

I’d take Dahlin over Heiskanen.

Makar and Fox are on another level but are also two years older and college trumps SHL.

Not impossible for Dahlin to join the convo with Makar, Fox, McAvoy

Absolutely, if he showed some potential, but not hskienen or, hughes type skill yet.

I'd like he to play more d, protect himself from turnovers and jump in the rush.

I would love to give him 8 for 60 million on September 20th as preseason begins
- Boss34

people like to use the Hedman comparison

Hedman did not start racking up points until year 4, but in the first 3 years he was lights years better in his own end

hopefully it was ralph holding dahlin back

Just blame the coach and pretend everything else is fine. After 2 coaches, blame the GM too. Say something about the culture and do it all again.
- Lunaion

Completely agree. Rinse and repeat

I would love if dahlin stepped up and became the player he was touted to be....
I would like if dahlin stepped up and played 1st line minutes at this point.

Sure Ralph sucked, but that shouldn't erase 19 out of the 21 years you've been playing hockey .

It's not just stats either. It's the yips at the point. Turn over and the slow turn around to chase the pk down after getting a break away... probably Ralph though

I’d take Dahlin over Heiskanen.

Makar and Fox are on another level but are also two years older and college trumps SHL.

Not impossible for Dahlin to join the convo with Makar, Fox, McAvoy
- Pegullaville

If the stars won the cup last year, Heiskanen gets the conn smythe

bigger question

would you rather have dahlin

or Makar, Heiskanen, or Fox


the hype was Dahlin was the best prospect since Orr and those other 3 d men lapped him

hopefully it's on ralph and he gets better this fall
- homiedclown

No decision today, let's wait until they're all 25.

That's the only real answer, because all those guys I mentioned are likely HOFers. But you wouldn't know it by looking at their first two seasons, and I didn't even look at their ages, almost certainly Dahlin was the youngest.

I'm not saying Dahlin is the second coming of Bobby Orr, I'm just saying that defensemen take a long time to develop, it's not like a forward where you just say "hey, go score some goals".

No decision today, let's wait until they're all 25.

That's the only real answer, because all those guys I mentioned are likely HOFers. But you wouldn't know it by looking at their first two seasons, and I didn't even look at their ages, almost certainly Dahlin was the youngest.

I'm not saying Dahlin is the second coming of Bobby Orr, I'm just saying that defensemen take a long time to develop, it's not like a forward where you just say "hey, go score some goals".
- Wetbandit1

I get d men take time to develop

it just looks like dahlin peaked in year 1

like myers did in year 1

Good stuff.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Ralphie wasn't the first coach to be mesmerized by Risto's size and skating ability. Also, Risto was a much better fit for the archaic scheme that Ralph was trying to force on a roster that couldn't support it.

So if you take away the -33 that Dahlin had over the course of the once-in-a-lifetime disaster that we saw for the first half of last year you're left with a -23 for the rest of his career. Considering this is a team that has been awful during all of that stretch I don't see how that stat is all that bad.

Also, don't forget that it's been years since we had consistent good goaltending. The fact that Dahlin and the rest of the team righted the ship over the last 22 games while playing with ECHL-level goaltending is remarkable. None of us saw that turnaround coming.

Again, I don't know what people are expecting. What would Cale Makar look like on this team?
- Slump Buster

I'm just gonna take the L.
Good points.

I will counter with the chicken and the egg though.
Was the team making dahlin worse or vice versa.

Cale makar yes.
That was absolutely the hope. Top 3 young defenseman. Maybe not #1, but the hype was very large in regards to dahlin. Not just the buffalo blow hards.

I'd like to see some leadership. Maybe a few less giveaways..

I get d men take time to develop

it just looks like dahlin peaked in year 1

like myers did in year 1
- homiedclown

Maybe he did, but that's the point. It takes time to know, so all this handwringing is pointless.

If the stars won the cup last year, Heiskanen gets the conn smythe
- homiedclown

I 100% agree with that statement.

Heiskanen hasn’t come close to that level of play since though.

people like to use the Hedman comparison

Hedman did not start racking up points until year 4, but in the first 3 years he was lights years better in his own end

hopefully it was ralph holding dahlin back
- homiedclown

Killin it homie 👍

Maybe he did, but that's the point. It takes time to know, so all this handwringing is pointless.
- Wetbandit1