Jessel didn’t stay in Canada for instance so try again.
- Dozzer

But he was willing to.

He would still be a Leaf if we hadnt traded him.

Jessel didn’t stay in Canada for instance so try again.
- Dozzer

Kessel 100% signed to stay in Canada for another 8 years, and then was traded. He did not choose to go back to the states, he chose to extend long term in Canada.

Every American star. Like I said, chelios to start off
- Dozzer

Montreal traded Chelios because they didn't like his habits of going out for drinks. They disagreed with his lifestyle and traded him for Denis Savard.

Here's the thing - I agree with you about this, and in perhaps a closing to the Marner conversation: I believe in giving Marner the chance, but if they continue to not get it done, this is likely his last year. It will also spell the end of Dubas and Keefe. They'll take on a different strategy - and it may be the for the better - to balance the lineup and that will likely start with Marner for all of the reasons we've discussed: $11m out gives a great deal of flexibility. But his skillset is one you don't trade lightly and I'm all for giving him another chance.
- Monkeypunk

I'm for giving him another chance in that I don't run the team.

My position is furthered by the idea that I don't think our problem is that we are desperate for star power. I think trading off Marner has a positive impact in a lot of other areas... Flexibility, depth, etc., which would help the team not hurt it.

But I digress, I am not GM.

Montreal traded Chelios because they didn't like his habits of going out for drinks. They disagreed with his lifestyle and traded him for Denis Savard.
- Monkeypunk

If I had to guess, it's going to be a lot easier to find examples of American players willingly signing contracts to stay in Canada than it would be to find examples of American players bolting back to the states the second they hit free agency.

If we're including American players who were traded back to the states, that moves the goal posts and isn't indicative of their choice.

I'm for giving him another chance in that I don't run the team.

My position is furthered by the idea that I don't think our problem is that we are desperate for star power. I think trading off Marner has a positive impact in a lot of other areas... Flexibility, depth, etc., which would help the team not hurt it.

But I digress, I am not GM.
- joel878

Nobody will take Marner without the leafs holding back a big chunk of his salary.

Man oh man thinking he’ll be moved is a pure fantasy

Montreal traded Chelios because they didn't like his habits of going out for drinks. They disagreed with his lifestyle and traded him for Denis Savard.
- Monkeypunk

He also slept with the team president's wife so... that didn't help.

Believing he’ll say it is foolish.

If he truly wanted to stay in Canada he would have simply been given more money and signed for 8 years.

But since he’s not they paid a fortune for Marner as well to make sure they don’t lose both.
- Dozzer

Not true at all.
I think his agent at the time look at what GM he is was dealing with, the financial landscape of the NHL and the possible buckets of money coming in from a new TV deal along with the possible expansion and decided for his client what was best was to cash in big now on a short term deal and cash again with even more on the next deal. At that time as well, they were probably going for a certain percentage of the cap and the time of signing, and pre covid - the cap was looking to be increase to 87 - 90m (if not more) by the end of his 5 year deal.

But then covid hit.

No, but to that extent how you feel doesn't mean jack squat when you know what he is capable of at all levels. He has gotten it done in the NHL. He has 5 goals and 20 assists in 32 games in the playoffs and is just 23 years old (turned 24 now). I'd like better production but he has had playoff rounds that have been productive. He has shown he can get it done. Giving up on a 23 year old who has been top-5 in league scoring because he had a bad playoff round is poor asset management and a move I believe we'd regret.

Patrick Kane at ages 22 and 23 had 1 goal in 13 playoff games. Chicago didn't trade him. Ovechkin had 2 points in 7 games when he was 26 and Washington kept him. Eichel has 0 playoff points in his career and Buffalo would like to keep him. Glib comparisons aside, a talent like Marner's deserves another chance. It is not on him alone that we failed.
- Monkeypunk

Pretty much

Every American star. Like I said, chelios to start off
- Dozzer

Chelios was traded by the Habs.

Nobody will take Marner without the leafs holding back a big chunk of his salary.

Man oh man thinking he’ll be moved is a pure fantasy
- Dozzer

I don't agree with you there either.

A bottom tier team in the midst of a bit of a reset button would drool over having a player like Marner to build and market around.

It's not hard to pull off a deal of that magnitude money wise. You look at Anaheim, if they wanted to bundle Silverberg and Manson for example for Marner... The money isn't far off of like for like and picks and prospects which don't affect the cap make up the rest.

Nobody will take Marner without the leafs holding back a big chunk of his salary.

Man oh man thinking he’ll be moved is a pure fantasy
- Dozzer

If Dubas and Shanny decide that he simply can’t step up at playoff time, they’ll move him. They don’t believe that now.

Jessel didn’t stay in Canada for instance so try again.
- Dozzer

He signed an 8 year extension to stay in Canada....the only reason he didnt finish it was because the leafs traded him to rebuild.

Try again

I don't agree with you there either.

A bottom tier team in the midst of a bit of a reset button would drool over having a player like Marner to build and market around.

It's not hard to pull off a deal of that magnitude money wise. You look at Anaheim, if they wanted to bundle Silverberg and Manson for example for Marner... The money isn't far off of like for like and picks and prospects which don't affect the cap make up the rest.
- joel878

Nobody will take Marner without the leafs holding back a big chunk of his salary.

Man oh man thinking he’ll be moved is a pure fantasy
- Dozzer

Mitch Marner has already been paid 40.6m out of his $65.4m contract (2 years at 16/15m and his $9.4m signing bonus this year). That means that for $24.8m, you could have 4 years of his service.

He would be preposterously attractive to a lot of teams.

He also slept with the team president's wife so... that didn't help.
- Scabeh

It helped her?

Mitch Marner has already been paid 40.6m out of his $65.4m contract (2 years at 16/15m and his $9.4m signing bonus this year). That means that for $24.8m, you could have 4 years of his service.

He would be preposterously attractive to a lot of teams.
- Monkeypunk

Any team would do anything necessary to get Mitch.

Any. Team.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

Controlling your own narrative is so key in 2021 am I right, and it's so easily done.

Like... Bolding one sentence, and completely disregarding the next one which applies the full context, for example.

Controlling your own narrative is so key in 2021 am I right, and it's so easily done.

Like... Bolding one sentence, and completely disregarding the next one which applies the full context for example.
- joel878

At least you responded in a more reserved, rational manner. So kudos for that.

You’re trying establish your own narrative of what Mitch is worth.

He’s so much better than you realize, and he’s worth every penny of his contract. Every single team would put together a package that’s twice as good as the one you came up with.

Name an American star who played for a Canadian team and willingly left for an American market because they didn't want to be in Canada? You keep making this claim but everyone refutes it because there's no anecdotal evidence of it happening on any mass scale.

Far more Russians return to the KHL.

Does it mean that every Canadian who goes to a US team when they hit Free Agency is a traitor to their country?
- Monkeypunk

Statsny just signed another year with the peg?
After 5 years with the habs, Patchs signed a 6 year extension with them.
JVR wanted to sign an extension with the leafs, but they werent into it

Mitch Marner has already been paid 40.6m out of his $65.4m contract (2 years at 16/15m and his $9.4m signing bonus this year). That means that for $24.8m, you could have 4 years of his service.

He would be preposterously attractive to a lot of teams.
- Monkeypunk

OMG totally.

He signed an 8 year extension to stay in Canada....the only reason he didnt finish it was because the leafs traded him to rebuild.

Try again
- Fakepartofme

You really don’t understand how players routinely ask management to be traded do you?

Statsny just signed another year with the peg?
After 5 years with the habs, Patchs signed a 6 year extension with them.
JVR wanted to sign an extension with the leafs, but they werent into it
- Fakepartofme

JVR got a huge contract with Philly.

Good for him, but the Leafs couldn’t afford to pay him that.

Statsny just signed another year with the peg?
After 5 years with the habs, Patchs signed a 6 year extension with them.
JVR wanted to sign an extension with the leafs, but they werent into it
- Fakepartofme

None of these guys you’re mentioning is even comparable to Matthews

Chelios was traded by the Habs.
- Atomic Wedgie

To his home state?

It was asked for I bloody well guarantee it