For better or worse the flyers are in “win now” mode. So will the coach ice his best lineup? Will he let a younger player take a few lumps knowing the upside down the line may pay off and help this team win. Or will he trot out the Thompsons and Brassards of the world because he feels comfortable with them even though they will very likely have zero effect on this team’s success, if they have any. I myself do not have much faith in this coaching staff.

For Frost, Patrick really messed up his chances imo. They saw firsthand what the long layoff did to him. Now every player is different. That being said they will be gun shy on having him start with the Flyers unless he really forces their hand. I hope he does as then we will see AV’s true colors. He is a critical piece to the future of this team if they are to “contend”. At some point after a month in the AHL (he needs some games) he needs to be put into the 3rd line center spot. Laughton isn’t any long term answer there nor is Brassard. Will that happen? IMO I am very hesitant it will.
- hello it's me 2050

Based on his history AV will definitely trot out the likes of Brassard and Thompson game after game as he did with Vancouver and the rangers. Thats the reason Rags fired him they didnt trust him with the young players. Interesting how much the young players regressed under AV in his 2nd yr. Every single one of them except Farabee

It sounds like they are very high on the destroyer!! I am cheering extra hard for this kid!

It's nice to have 3rd and 4th round draft picks playing meaningful hockey down in the A and other leagues. That's good drafting

It sounds like they are very high on the destroyer!! I am cheering extra hard for this kid!

It's nice to have 3rd and 4th round draft picks playing meaningful hockey down in the A and other leagues. That's good drafting
- Bob Habib

aren't all 3/4th rd picks playing meaningful hockey somewhere?

It was a simple question. No need to try to complicate it.
- hello it's me 2050

Im simply trying to understand how you determine a player is a bust.

Is every player in that draft who went after him also a bust?

Your answer to that question will help me to get some clarity on what you consider a bust.

Ill add that I understand this is wasted time, and apologize to the posters on here who actually have good opinions, but its my lunch break and I have time to kill. And I understand bzz bzz here cant answer the question as to who he would have picked instead of Ginning to make the pick not a bust.

Im simply trying to understand how you determine a player is a bust.

Is every player in that draft who went after him also a bust?

Your answer to that question will help me to get some clarity on what you consider a bust.

Ill add that I understand this is wasted time, and apologize to the posters on here who actually have good opinions, but its my lunch break and I have time to kill. And I understand bzz bzz here cant answer the question as to who he would have picked instead of Ginning to make the pick not a bust.
- MBFlyerfan

We are talking about ginning only. At this point in time 9/15/21 at 11:38AM he does not look like a legit NHL prospect in any way. Do you disagree?

You want to discuss other players or what not feel free. None of that changes that right now Ginning looks like a bad pick. Does he not? Yes or no?
Drafted 3 years ago and hasn't progressed much if at all.

You are the one who wont answer the simple question. Who I would have "drafted" is meaningless.

We are talking about ginning only. At this point in time 9/15/21 at 11:38AM he does not look like a legit NHL prospect in any way. Do you disagree?

You want to discuss other players or what not feel free. None of that changes that right now Ginning looks like a bad pick. Does he not? Yes or no?
Drafted 3 years ago and hasn't progressed much if at all.

You are the one who wont answer the simple question. Who I would have "drafted" is meaningless.
- hello it's me 2050

Ok for the sake of argument, I will agree he was a bad pick.

Who would you have picked instead that would have made it a good pick?

We are talking about ginning only. At this point in time 9/15/21 at 11:38AM he does not look like a legit NHL prospect in any way. Do you disagree?

You want to discuss other players or what not feel free. None of that changes that right now Ginning looks like a bad pick. Does he not? Yes or no?
Drafted 3 years ago and hasn't progressed much if at all.

You are the one who wont answer the simple question. Who I would have "drafted" is meaningless.
- hello it's me 2050

And it is absolutely not meaningless, because in order for you to say it was a bad pick, there would have had to have been an option for a good pick.

So Ill ask again, who would you have picked to make it a good pick, because calling him a bust implies that you think the Flyers wasted the pick on someone when they could have picked someone better. So who would that have been?

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And it is absolutely not meaningless, because in order for you to say it was a bad pick, there would have had to have been an option for a good pick.

So Ill ask again, who would you have picked to make it a good pick, because calling him a bust implies that you think the Flyers wasted the pick on someone when they could have picked someone better. So who would that have been?
- MBFlyerfan

dude

rip norm

And it is absolutely not meaningless, because in order for you to say it was a bad pick, there would have had to have been an option for a good pick.

So Ill ask again, who would you have picked to make it a good pick, because calling him a bust implies that you think the Flyers wasted the pick on someone when they could have picked someone better. So who would that have been?
- MBFlyerfan

You have to stop being dragged into this nonsense haha, just let it go

dude
- Scoob

sorry

You have to stop being dragged into this nonsense haha, just let it go
- ClaudeFather

You are right. Im sorry.

And it is absolutely not meaningless, because in order for you to say it was a bad pick, there would have had to have been an option for a good pick.

So Ill ask again, who would you have picked to make it a good pick, because calling him a bust implies that you think the Flyers wasted the pick on someone when they could have picked someone better. So who would that have been?
- MBFlyerfan

It is 100% meaningless who I would pick. Has zero relevance on whether he was a good or bad pick.

It was a bad pick as we sit here today though I am sure you disagree. He hasn't progressed enough to make himself a legit NHL prospect 3 + years after his draft. Not even in flyers top 20.

But but who would you have taken like that matters in any way. Benoit-Olivier Groulx is who.

So I will ask again do you think it was a bad pick? Yes or no?

You have to stop being dragged into this nonsense haha, just let it go
- ClaudeFather

here comes slappy

The team wasnt /isnt that young in nhl experience. We shall see.

Things breaking down late in games, is that leadership though?
-Hello its me 2050

I think its a symptom of it, sure. Typically late in games you want to play you most experienced players who know how to make the simple plays, don't panic under pressure, etc. so to ice the game. Last year even the veteran players were disasters down the stretch in games, making rookie mistakes like bad turnovers and blown coverages. This year ha got to be different for this team to take a step forward.

Nonsense this team last year had lots of veterans and was not that young. They got rid of 5 players..Meyers..Hagg..Ghost..Vorachek..Patrick all of whom have been in the league 3 yrs or more...the team flat out quit last year when things got tough has nothing to do with age. Totally agree though they needed a locker room change you couldnt keep coming back with the same cast and maybe the new guys bring a different culture and hunger that Flyers have been missing. Expect team to be better but 50/50 on them even being a playoff team
- hfc355

I never mentioned age, I only was focused on leadership. Its true the Flyers had some veteran players last year, but were they the right ones in terms of leadership? The results would say no, and the reaction this off season would support that also.

I think its a symptom of it, sure. Typically late in games you want to play you most experienced players who know how to make the simple plays, don't panic under pressure, etc. so to ice the game. Last year even the veteran players were disasters down the stretch in games, making rookie mistakes like bad turnovers and blown coverages. This year ha got to be different for this team to take a step forward.
- jd250

No you want to play your best players.

I think fletch is safe unless the bottom completely falls out. He will get 1 more chance with a new coach. AV imo def 100% on the hot seat.

Though if he is canned who do you replace him with Therien or Yeo? Doesn't really seem like much would change.
- hello it's me 2050

Yes, I think another year like last year would put any coach on the firing line. What is not clear to me is if this team quit last year, and if they did why? Did they quit on their coach or did they quit because of Covid, or something else? If the team quits again this year, that will be on AV and his staff and given the changes that were made this off season, I don't see AV surviving. That said, I think the chances the Flyers repeat last year with the team they have now is very, very small, in fact I would be shocked if this team did not make the playoffs at least.

They should be in development mode. Is continuity of a team and a lineup important? If we project that Brassard is the 3rd line center and Thompson is the 4th line center, that would be 2 out of 4 centers who are not signed past 1 year. Are they also part of the future?
- MJL

Brassard and Thompson are depth signings, here to play in the bottom 6 until some of the younger forwards are ready to step into the NHL full time. Clearly, Frost, Foerster and Tanner L are the centers of the near future, and O'Brien in about 2 years.

No you want to play your best players.
- hello it's me 2050

They *should* be one in the same.

Yes, I think another year like last year would put any coach on the firing line. What is not clear to me is if this team quit last year, and if they did why? Did they quit on their coach or did they quit because of Covid, or something else? If the team quits again this year, that will be on AV and his staff and given the changes that were made this off season, I don't see AV surviving. That said, I think the chances the Flyers repeat last year with the team they have now is very, very small, in fact I would be shocked if this team did not make the playoffs at least.
- jd250

my opinion is they quit on the coach.

They *should* be one in the same.
- jd250

what? So your vets /experienced should be your best players? Do not agree with that in any way if that is what you are implying.

what? So your vets /experienced should be your best players? Do not agree with that in any way if that is what you are implying.
- hello it's me 2050

Late in games, when the game is on the line, you typically rely on your veteran players to either hold a lead or get a tying goal. These are your best players in whatever circumstance you happen to be in late in games. You might have heard the expression "shortening the bench"? Well, this is what that means.

my opinion is they quit on the coach.
- hello it's me 2050

Yes there is something to be said for this being the case. We'll have to watch for it this season. When things start to go south, and they always do at some point in the season with a 4 or 5 game losing skid, how does this team react? Does it become a 10 game losing skid, or do players step up and respond?