not based on what the GM said
- hello it's me 2050

I missed that. What did he say? That they need ore time?

I was unable to read the inquirer article about zanetti and why he stood out, along with frosty..

Has anybody read the article and can fill me in on what made them stand out?

Thanks

I missed that. What did he say? That they need ore time?
- Peter Richards

The young guys need to dramatically outplay the vets.

Why do you have to have a traditional 4th line? Why can't you have a skilled 4th line?
- MJL

young players need to TAKE spots not inherit them.

Besides, the GM has already admitted more than once leaving spots open last year was a mistake and they simply did not have enough vets last year to fight through adversity.

Curious why some on this thread want them to go without add vets on 1 year contracts against this yr when they followed that strategy last year and look how it turned out.

2 years ago they had vets and look how that year turned out. Seems pretty simple.

I’d urge some to watch other teams around the league as opposed to just the Flyers.

Times yours

The young guys need to dramatically outplay the vets.
- hello it's me 2050

Correct
Remind me why this is a prob again?

Correct
Remind me why this is a prob again?
- Joe Nardone

If they outplay the vets they should earn a roster spot. Do you agree?

Alison’s game isn’t based upon how his feel with the puck is going, Brassard is a veteran who has played up and down lineups. We’ve seen Frost NAK an impact playing with G, getting adequate minutes. When he’s on he’s making subtle plays with the puck , I don’t see how sitting on the bench most of the game helps a guy like him.
- ClaudeFather

It's the same for the Allison. As a shooter, someone has to feed him the puck. A good line has balance to it. Playmakers, shooters, forecheckers.

What do do I get wrong?

Having a high bar for rookies to step into the nhl? The fact they should earn their spot? The idea they still could?

I’ll ask again. Who says York or frost are ready for a full nhl season? Both have to prove they belong. And will get that chance. York path is harder but is known as d take more time. Rushing them could easily hurt their development more.

Who are you taking off the pp to play frost? Yandle was brought in to assist with the pp as well. 3 rd line d man. Is York a better option for that?

Why don’t more teams start young kids on the 4 th line? Same reason Nate was signed. I quoted you on one line. The rest was me.
- Peter Richards

What you have wrong is not understanding the difference between the bar set for a rookie and what the standard is for a player they just brought in such as Brassard. Why does Frost have to fight the numbers game and Brassard doesn't. Bill Meltzer confirmed my belief on what the situation is. You're asking a question of if he is NHL ready. That shows that you lack understanding of my position. My position is that players competing for a spot, such as Frost and Brassard should be on equal footing starting in camp. Then may the best man win but that is not the case. Brassard is going to make the team and Frost has to surpass a much higher bar to change the teams mind. That is what I object to.
Plenty of teams start young players on the 4th line. Do I actually have to name young players the Flyers started on the 4th line? Going all the way back to Richards and Carter.
As far as Yandle is concerned, there are other players who can man the PP. York is another player who is not going to be given a fair and equal shot to make the team. It's already been decided and both York and Frost would have to blow the coaches and the GM away to make the team.

young players need to TAKE spots not inherit them.

Besides, the GM has already admitted more than once leaving spots open last year was a mistake and they simply did not have enough vets last year to fight through adversity.

Curious why some on this thread want them to go without add vets on 1 year contracts against this yr when they followed that strategy last year and look how it turned out.

2 years ago they had vets and look how that year turned out. Seems pretty simple.

I’d urge some to watch other teams around the league as opposed to just the Flyers.

Times yours
- Joe Nardone

Young players have to be given a legit opportunity to earn a spot on a level playing field. The Flyers have plenty of veteran players. You need to continually add better and more talented players. Especially when you're not a true contender. The Flyers are acting like they are.
How exactly did it turn out 2 years ago? LOL What is your goal for the team?
Yandle and Brassard have inherited spots.
Times yours

If Nate and Brassard as as bad as some on this forum think, and Frost is even remotely ready, it should be a slam dunk Frost makes the team, right? Something tells me Brassard and Nate are better than some give them credit to be and Frost will need time to get his game back.
- jd250

We know what Thompson is going to be able to do. We'll see how Brassard does. I don't like the move. They should be playing the players who are part of the future. Laughton should be the fall back at 3C is Frost is not ready in camp. When Frost hopefully gets his game back, Laughton can move to wing or stay at center if Frost plays wing. That's the right move in my opinion. You're building and developing with players who are a future part of the team.

If they outplay the vets they should earn a roster spot. Do you agree?
- hello it's me 2050

It sets an unfair and unrealistic bar for the player to surpass. Better is better.

What you have wrong is not understanding the difference between the bar set for a rookie and what the standard is for a player they just brought in such as Brassard. Why does Frost have to fight the numbers game and Brassard doesn't. Bill Meltzer confirmed my belief on what the situation is. You're asking a question of if he is NHL ready. That shows that you lack understanding of my position. My position is that players competing for a spot, such as Frost and Brassard should be on equal footing starting in camp. Then may the best man win but that is not the case. Brassard is going to make the team and Frost has to surpass a much higher bar to change the teams mind. That is what I object to.
Plenty of teams start young players on the 4th line. Do I actually have to name young players the Flyers started on the 4th line? Going all the way back to Richards and Carter.
As far as Yandle is concerned, there are other players who can man the PP. York is another player who is not going to be given a fair and equal shot to make the team. It's already been decided and both York and Frost would have to blow the coaches and the GM away to make the team.
- MJL

One is proven, the other is not. What I said is he will have to earn it. Which you said as well so……..

Most young prospects that are known for their offensive gifts and are projected to be top six players don’t usually start on the 4 th line. You know this.

Don’t know why your just focused on brassard. There are other players he could put perform together make the squad.

When Carter came in he wasn’t on the 4 th line. Richie maybe for a second but no. The ones that do are known for their defense.

Rip Lou, sorry none of these people acknowledge your passing. I didn’t know him either but damn no respect. He was the first captain of this team. I guess that’s the difference between Italians and the rest of you.

One is proven, the other is not. What I said is he will have to earn it. Which you said as well so……..

Most young prospects that are known for their offensive gifts and are projected to be top six players don’t usually start on the 4 th line. You know this.

Don’t know why your just focused on brassard. There are other players he could put perform together make the squad.

When Carter came in he wasn’t on the 4 th line. Richie maybe for a second but no. The ones that do are known for their defense.
- Peter Richards

Your first comment continues to show that you don't understand my premise.


Richards and Carter both started on the 4th line for the Flyers. Throughout history, plenty of talented and skilled players started on the 4th line.

Players such as Brassard and Yandle are not the players they used to be. Hence the one year cheap deals. They should be subject to the same competition for a roster spot as other players battling for a spot are.

The focus on Brassard is simple. Frost is competing against him for a roster spot. It is well documented if you've been paying attention that the Flyers view him as a center.

It sets an unfair and unrealistic bar for the player to surpass. Better is better.
- MJL

agree. "Dramatically" outplaying them is just silly. That is way to subjective.

You play better you earn that spot. Also kind of kills moral for said players who did outplay the vet.

Your first comment continues to show that you don't understand my premise.


Richards and Carter both started on the 4th line for the Flyers. Throughout history, plenty of talented and skilled players started on the 4th line.

Players such as Brassard and Yandle are not the players they used to be. Hence the one year cheap deals. They should be subject to the same competition for a roster spot as other players battling for a spot are.

The focus on Brassard is simple. Frost is competing against him for a roster spot. It is well documented if you've been paying attention that the Flyers view him as a center.
- MJL

Never said they weren’t in competition. I completely understand.

Who were their linemates when they started. Pretty sure the 4 th line was savage brashear radko some. Sim. Petr was here, eager and sharp. Sharp was the one hitch didn’t like then was traded. Gagne forsberg and Knub up front. Handzus and Sami. Kieth before his last head injury. And the hamburglar. Might be missing someone.

So. Who were Richie and Carter’s first game linemates? Average time on ice that game and season. You made the claim.

But I guess there’s your argument for the day.

The argument here is they will not be given a fair shot at winning a job on the team. Based on what the GM has said not sure how any can disagree.

The argument here is they will not be given a fair shot at winning a job on the team. Based on what the GM has said not sure how any can disagree.
- hello it's me 2050

Right. But it could happen. Opening night hasn’t arrived yet. Injuries could happen or he could force them to keep him by his play. Thanks for sharing the gms comments. Didn’t see that before. Also why I didn’t like the Nate signing. But get it and we all have to accept it to an extent.

Not sure why people get their panties in a bunch about young guys getting their shot with the big club. If they are good enough and stand out they will get their shot. Like anything in life it has to be earned. Frost really hasn't shown that much at the NHL level. He'll be given a fair chance.

Not sure why people get their panties in a bunch about young guys getting their shot with the big club. If they are good enough and stand out they will get their shot. Like anything in life it has to be earned. Frost really hasn't shown that much at the NHL level. He'll be given a fair chance.
- Phillywhiteout

Exactly, but look where its coming from, he likes to argue everything, he argued the ellis trade wasnt a good trade for crying out loud because we gave away our youth lol

Pretty sure york and frost will be on the team by the end of the season, whats wrong with them starting in the ahl ? Frost said himself he needs time to see if his shoulder can handle it. Coaches often go with vets because they know what they are getting and their capabilites. Sticking rookies in there, you have no idea, frost may get points, but may have a lot of turnovers, does that make him better. You want him playing 10min a night, id rather 20 min in the ahl, let him build confidence. Complaining about this before camp even starts is ridiculous. Again, just looking to complain about something

IF AV's job is on the line this year, do you think he is going to play the worst players of the bunch. Or the players that can win, and play his system, and execute what he wants executed?

I was unable to read the inquirer article about zanetti and why he stood out, along with frosty..

Has anybody read the article and can fill me in on what made them stand out?

Thanks
- Bob Habib

Didn’t say much. “ Laperriere said Zanetti “picked up the details” he was trying to get across as he introduced the system to the young players.”

On Frost he said, “It had to be tough for him not to be playing, but he’s putting the work in and games are going to come fast,” Laperriere said. “So far, he looks great, he looks healthy, he looks excited. If he can become the player everyone thinks he can, it’s going to help the organization.”

Rip Lou, sorry none of these people acknowledge your passing. I didn’t know him either but damn no respect. He was the first captain of this team. I guess that’s the difference between Italians and the rest of you.
- Keyser soze

He said while rubbing his own junk towards the crowd. What a weird conclusion to your post.

Never said they weren’t in competition. I completely understand.

Who were their linemates when they started. Pretty sure the 4 th line was savage brashear radko some. Sim. Petr was here, eager and sharp. Sharp was the one hitch didn’t like then was traded. Gagne forsberg and Knub up front. Handzus and Sami. Kieth before his last head injury. And the hamburglar. Might be missing someone.

So. Who were Richie and Carter’s first game linemates? Average time on ice that game and season. You made the claim.

But I guess there’s your argument for the day.
- Peter Richards

Clearly there is one person arguing just to argue and that is you with this silly juvenile response.

Rip Lou, sorry none of these people acknowledge your passing. I didn’t know him either but damn no respect. He was the first captain of this team. I guess that’s the difference between Italians and the rest of you.
- Keyser soze

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