lol no doubt. Gonna try to hit the golf course today and tomorrow might be calling for snow next week here
- LordHumungous

what a shit-hole !!!

what a shit-hole !!!
- LeftCoaster

No, it is the taint... I live in the poophole
#EdmontonistheAnusofAlberta

To me that doesn't matter, if you're good, you're good...pay the man. Pettersson is as good as Point is right now, so pay him. That's my opinion. This second contract, third contract nonsense is just that, nonsense. As a player, if I'm important to your organization I want to be paid according here and now.
- LeftCoaster

I look at Laine Tkachuk Barzal PLD Ehlers Nylander all players that have been very good , all receiving Bridge deals .

You do have a couple of superstars like McD Drai Matthews a class above Pettersson that jumped into higher brackets . Then you have a couple of mistakes like Eichel and #16 for the Leafs.

This is also Brayden Points third contract . He had a bridge deal worth 6.75 mil . Exactly what I think Petey is worth today.
- VANTEL

The only counter to this I would offer is that by slipping the bridge deal in, you end up paying more at the end of the player’s career where we start getting into the anchor phase. $9m on an 8 year deal takes him to age 30. If you go with a three year bridge, and the cap starts going up again by then, you might be paying $11m until age 33! Or he might not be that good and you only pay $7m or $5m or whatever. Risks either way.

I look at Laine Tkachuk Barzal PLD Ehlers Nylander all players that have been very good , all receiving Bridge deals .

You do have a couple of superstars like McD Drai Matthews a class above Pettersson that jumped into higher brackets .
- VANTEL

I get it, there's argument's on both sides. I'm just of the opinion, as a former player, that you should get paid here and now if you're good right now. There's a few examples of guys signing big deals out of their entry level contracts and it turned out favorable for the club. To me, 9x8 would look favorable for the Canucks in five years time when Pettersson is a star in the league.

The only counter to this I would offer is that by slipping the bridge deal in, you end up paying more at the end of the player’s career where we start getting into the anchor phase. $9m on an 8 year deal takes him to age 30. If you go with a three year bridge, and the cap starts going up again by then, you might be paying $11m until age 33! Or he might not be that good and you only pay $7m or $5m or whatever. Risks either way.
- 1970vintage

well put. and you better believe that both sides have run projections on not only the cap but also the ramifications on career earnings on contracts of every length.

To me that doesn't matter, if you're good, you're good...pay the man. Pettersson is as good as Point is right now, so pay him. That's my opinion. This second contract, third contract nonsense is just that, nonsense. As a player, if I'm important to your organization I want to be paid according here and now.
- LeftCoaster

Some of the young uns around might not remember the NHL before ELC’s where guys like Rick DiPietro were signing 15 year $67.5m contracts right out of the draft.

well put. and you better believe that both sides have run projections on not only the cap but also the ramifications on career earnings on contracts of every length.
- RealityChecker

that very generous of you when one side has a history of running out of time…

Some of the young uns around might not remember the NHL before ELC’s where guys like Rick DiPietro were signing 15 year $67.5m contracts right out of the draft.
- 1970vintage

Strictly speaking in regards to Pettersson, not Quinn Hughes, if you're a very important piece to our organizational puzzle I'm going to hedge my bets that you're going to continue to get even better and pay you long term right now. That's just my personal opinion and what I'd do.

Some of the young uns around might not remember the NHL before ELC’s where guys like Rick DiPietro were signing 15 year $67.5m contracts right out of the draft.
- 1970vintage

I hope his kid has better knees...

The only counter to this I would offer is that by slipping the bridge deal in, you end up paying more at the end of the player’s career where we start getting into the anchor phase. $9m on an 8 year deal takes him to age 30. If you go with a three year bridge, and the cap starts going up again by then, you might be paying $11m until age 33! Or he might not be that good and you only pay $7m or $5m or whatever. Risks either way.
- 1970vintage

I am probably not going to want Petey in year six of his new contract. I don't want OEL in year 5 , didn't want Edler in year 6 . Don't want Myers in year 5.

I am telling you there are a lot of good young players on the up and coming . The new prospect is a lot better today than it was in Daniel and Henrik's draft year. More and more players are ready to play in their draft year and draft year plus one .

Combine that with the fact that you are still going to have a pretty flat cap for the next few years you have to spend wisely. Yes I know Canucks haven't and other teams also. We will be playing with 50% capacity and losing money again for the third year. Something has to give.

As I pointed out with Boeser last year if we paid him 7.5 mil on his second contract for 8 years Canucks would have lost over 1.5 mil for three years. Next year you should have no problem giving him his 7.5-8 for five years.

I think it interesting that we are often overly critical of amounts that are very large. $8m or $9m, those numbers are a huge sum of money, but an extra million at that point is only 12.5% more. But a $1 to $1.5m player getting $3 is no big deal, “those are the guys you win with”. These contracts don’t take heat, I think, because the amounts are easy to comprehend, but are 50% or more higher than they should be. It’s an interesting dynamic.

that very generous of you when one side has a history of running out of time…
- 1970vintage

that's my optimistic canuck nature.

but in all seriousness, we're dealing with a contract worth between $20m (bridge) and upwards of $75m.

this isn't just between a gm and an agent. there are teams of accountants/quants who are in their "playoff" season right now.

I think it interesting that we are often overly critical of amounts that are very large. $8m or $9m, those numbers are a huge sum of money, but an extra million at that point is only 12.5% more. But a $1 to $1.5m player getting $3 is no big deal, “those are the guys you win with”. These contracts don’t take heat, I think, because the amounts are easy to comprehend, but are 50% or more higher than they should be. It’s an interesting dynamic.
- 1970vintage

i've been saying the same thing.

when those guys get overpaid, it's generally been justified/excused but when it comes to the stars, they're the ones that need to take less and start thinking about "team."

I am probably not going to want Petey in year six of his new contract. I don't want OEL in year 5 , didn't want Edler in year 6 . Don't want Myers in year 5.

I am telling you there are a lot of good young players on the up and coming . The new prospect is a lot better today than it was in Daniel and Henrik's draft year. More and more players are ready to play in their draft year and draft year plus one .

Combine that with the fact that you are still going to have a pretty flat cap for the next few years you have to spend wisely. Yes I know Canucks haven't and other teams also. We will be playing with 50% capacity and losing money again for the third year. Something has to give.

As I pointed out with Boeser last year if we paid him 7.5 mil on his second contract for 8 years Canucks would have lost over 1.5 mil for three years. Next year you should have no problem giving him his 7.5-8 for five years.
- VANTEL

The problem here is that the closer a player is to UFA the more leverage they have on term. All the guys like Jones who signed this off season got those long deals because teams want them for the next five years. But the players know another team would be willing to give them the security they want, so you either lose Jones for nothing next off season, or give him 8 years.

It just comes down to your belief in the player as being someone you think will help your team to be successful. If you don’t, no length of contract is appropriate, move on. If you do, then finding the best compromise with the player/agent is vital.

Fabian Lysell cut from Bruins. I can't believe some honestly believed he would stick this season.

Going to play in Van with the Giants though.

The problem here is that the closer a player is to UFA the more leverage they have on term. All the guys like Jones who signed this off season got those long deals because teams want them for the next five years. But the players know another team would be willing to give them the security they want, so you either lose Jones for nothing next off season, or give him 8 years.

It just comes down to your belief in the player as being someone you think will help your team to be successful. If you don’t, no length of contract is appropriate, move on. If you do, then finding the best compromise with the player/agent is vital.
- 1970vintage

It definitely has to do how you feel about a player.

I think during these times the teams have to do more planning than ever . Everything looks great when you sit down and announce you signed your star to an 8 year deal and in year four you are asking WTF was I thinking when I signed that.

I think a lot of these contracts signed this year are going to bite teams in the ass half way through . I seen how many good players this year teams had to walk away from because of no cap room.

( As Bettmanhatesus says Tick Tock)

The problem here is that the closer a player is to UFA the more leverage they have on term. All the guys like Jones who signed this off season got those long deals because teams want them for the next five years. But the players know another team would be willing to give them the security they want, so you either lose Jones for nothing next off season, or give him 8 years.

It just comes down to your belief in the player as being someone you think will help your team to be successful. If you don’t, no length of contract is appropriate, move on. If you do, then finding the best compromise with the player/agent is vital.
- 1970vintage

like you said earlier, it generally comes down to the age of the player at the expiry of the deal. the more years into the 30's, the worse. the problem being (as you pointed out) that the longer the team waits to commit, the more negotiating power the player has forcing a longer term deal that ends when the player is mid-30's rather than early 30's. it's those 3-4 years difference (adding in a bridge) that make the deal excellent value or buyout/trade with a sweetener types.

Flyers 2018 first round pick 19th overall Jay O'Brien last season in the NCAA had 16 points in 16 games.

Canucks 2019 seventh round pick 195th overall Aidan McDonaugh had 20 points in 21 games.

Same age, birthdays 2 days apart.



Let's see Lefty try to explain this one.

The only counter to this I would offer is that by slipping the bridge deal in, you end up paying more at the end of the player’s career where we start getting into the anchor phase. $9m on an 8 year deal takes him to age 30. If you go with a three year bridge, and the cap starts going up again by then, you might be paying $11m until age 33! Or he might not be that good and you only pay $7m or $5m or whatever. Risks either way.
- 1970vintage

Age is a huge reason why I want to skip the bridge deal route as well. As we can see, 18 and 19 year Olds are more nhl ready than ever before. Prime years are slowly shifting to early twenties with how good these kids are.

Flyers 2018 first round pick 19th overall Jay O'Brien last season in the NCAA had 16 points in 16 games.

Canucks 2019 seventh round pick 195th overall Aidan McDonaugh had 20 points in 21 games.

Same age, birthdays 2 days apart.



Let's see Lefty try to explain this one.
- manvanfan

"Judd Bracke.... no wait...."

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what a shit-hole !!!
- LeftCoaster

lol and now we have car-jackings downtown in broad daylight...moving up in the world...

what a shit-hole !!!
- LeftCoaster

Yes, like 99% of Canada. I’m in San Deigo now but back to Scottsdale tomorrow ❤️🇺🇸🏜

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- K-man25

Suck it.