Actually what is most important is to actually understand the point that is being made. Which IMO you clearly didn't. The point is not to try and state that Laughton is as good as Hayes or Giroux. The point was to show how productive and how solid of a 3rd line player that Laughton is. Also to support the opinion that he puts up point at a high rate as a 3rd liner.
- MJL

No argument here, however this take can only come when we observed Laughton in the top 6 and bottom 6 role and able to see where he fits best. Just looking at the advanced metric would indicate that if we give Laughton top 6 minutes, he will score at a rate similar to true top 6 forwards, and that as we have seen is not true. Not saying you are saying this, just making the observation.

To me Frost has to learn to be consistent, he takes too many shifts off IMO (blends into the background) for a young player, so I am looking for him to play consistently start to finish tonight.
- jd250

I didn’t think Farabee deserved to be on the roster every night his rookie year. Now I think the hands on experience helped him.

Brassard is not and should be a #2 center at this point in his career on any team looking to contend. Not even short term imo. I do not now if he can fill that role for 10 games or not. His prior couple season suggest he cant. He himself has said he is more of a winger these days.

Is the Lord = to Allah?
- hello it's me 2050

Just an early prediction but I think Brassard will end up being the best option because I don't think Frost will be ready for that role. To your question, I know what I believe and I respect what others believe. Its really up to the individual to answer that for themselves.

I didn’t think Farabee deserved to be on the roster every night his rookie year. Now I think the hands on experience helped him.
- SuperSchennBros

yes, and recall he didn't make the team out of camp, he went to the Phantoms and worked his tail off to be eventually called up, and once called up he never went back. The same might hold true for Frost.

Actually what is most important is to actually understand the point that is being made. Which IMO you clearly didn't. The point is not to try and state that Laughton is as good as Hayes or Giroux. The point was to show how productive and how solid of a 3rd line player that Laughton is. Also to support the opinion that he puts up point at a high rate as a 3rd liner.
- MJL

Laughton is a solid third line player but Laughton has not seen consistent time as a third line center his entire career. In fact I think the longest stretch we’ve seen was during the 2020 playoffs between Pitlick and JvR when JvR wasn’t scratched. That line wasn’t very productive to my memory. Outside of that, I only really recall Laughton playing fourth line center or third line left wing, having success next to Hayes.

yes, and recall he didn't make the team out of camp, he went to the Phantoms and worked his tail off to be eventually called up, and once called up he never went back. The same might hold true for Frost.
- jd250

It’s Frost made the team out of camp last season. He didn’t play opening night but he was on the roster. So it’s really a toss up at this point.

Just an early prediction but I think Brassard will end up being the best option because I don't think Frost will be ready for that role. To your question, I know what I believe and I respect what others believe. Its really up to the individual to answer that for themselves.
- jd250

Any thoughts on Jobu?

well if he is the best option they are in trouble. Unless he has a career resurrection.

Any thoughts on Jobu?

well if he is the best option they are in trouble. Unless he has a career resurrection.
- hello it's me 2050

The Flyers' depth has taken an early hit with the injuries to Morin, Hayes, Allison and Laczynski. If Frost had been able to play more games last year I think he would be able to handle 2C duties, but given what happened I think its too much to ask at this point, plus I 'm not convinced Frost will ever be there, but I am hopeful. Now that we know Laczynski is out for the year and most likely Allison also, the Flyers are going to have to rely on their vets for a bit and hope Frost or Foerster get ready quickly to join them as the season progresses.

It’s Frost made the team out of camp last season. He didn’t play opening night but he was on the roster. So it’s really a toss up at this point.
- SuperSchennBros

I think he played 4 periods before he got hurt for the year. I still want to find the person holding the Voodoo doll against this team, because I do not recall a string of bad luck like this with younger promising players.

yes, I agree, however Brassard has a track record in this league, against real NHL players so to me I think he is a quality depth forward for this team.
- jd250

His track record in this league also includes moving on from team to team for what, the last 5 years? Why is that?

No argument here, however this take can only come when we observed Laughton in the top 6 and bottom 6 role and able to see where he fits best. Just looking at the advanced metric would indicate that if we give Laughton top 6 minutes, he will score at a rate similar to true top 6 forwards, and that as we have seen is not true. Not saying you are saying this, just making the observation.
- jd250

No that is not what it indicates. Those statistics are not capable of indicating that and that would be a misuse of the stat.

Lou Nolan
Paul Holmgren
Simon Gagne
Bob Kelly
Mark Recchi
Rick Tocchet

And either bob Kelly or Gagne should be the cutoff for that list

His track record in this league also includes moving on from team to team for what, the last 5 years? Why is that?
- MJL

One can make the claim that he is cooked and that very well may be true. BUt one can also look at where he was going when traded, To Pittsburgh for a playoff push in 17-18, to Colorado for a playoff push in 18-19. And signed to the Islanders in 19-20...a team with playoff aspirations.

Yes he played with Arizona last season. But leading up to that he was being traded to contending teams at the deadline or near the deadline.

Yes, we are one year further along, but at least an argument can be made that those teams at the time thought he could be a contributor in a playoff run.

One can make the claim that he is cooked and that very well may be true. BUt one can also look at where he was going when traded, To Pittsburgh for a playoff push in 17-18, to Colorado for a playoff push in 18-19. And signed to the Islanders in 19-20...a team with playoff aspirations.

Yes he played with Arizona last season. But leading up to that he was being traded to contending teams at the deadline or near the deadline.

Yes, we are one year further along, but at least an argument can be made that those teams at the time thought he could be a contributor in a playoff run.
- MBFlyerfan

With each passing year though you have to wonder why he can't stay with a team. People bring up how well he played with the Isles the last two seasons yet they didn't keep him. I don't like the signing but I'm going to keep an open mind an see what happens.

One can make the claim that he is cooked and that very well may be true. BUt one can also look at where he was going when traded, To Pittsburgh for a playoff push in 17-18, to Colorado for a playoff push in 18-19. And signed to the Islanders in 19-20...a team with playoff aspirations.

Yes he played with Arizona last season. But leading up to that he was being traded to contending teams at the deadline or near the deadline.

Yes, we are one year further along, but at least an argument can be made that those teams at the time thought he could be a contributor in a playoff run.
- MBFlyerfan

Yea it’s probably a little of both obviously, veteran guy that has certainly lost a step but is still a serviceable player. He’s not going to command a long term deal, that’s just where he is in his career.

Brassard is fine if used properly. No issue with him overall. He is still an NHL player, unlike Nate.

More of an indication that the flyers prospects are not ready or good enough in the GM's mind. At least how I see it.

With each passing year though you have to wonder why he can't stay with a team. People bring up how well he played with the Isles the last two seasons yet they didn't keep him. I don't like the signing but I'm going to keep an open mind an see what happens.
- MJL

The Islanders reason could be as simple as cap implications. As we have seen, they are as close to the cap as can be while signing all these win now players.

As you said, I will keep an open mind.Hopefully he ends up where he should be when we are healthy, 4th line center or wing.

Brassard is fine if used properly. No issue with him overall. He is still an NHL player, unlike Nate.

More of an indication that the flyers prospects are not ready or good enough in the GM's mind. At least how I see it.
- hello it's me 2050

Agreed. Ideally fourth line center is his role. He will probably need to fill in at 2nd or 3rd line center for a spell to start the season. Hopefully, Frost and Laughton take the 2nd and 3rd line center roles out of camp. If they don't I think Brassard can at least be serviceable as the 2nd line center and would be a good (not great) fit at 3rd line center.

Agreed. Ideally fourth line center is his role. He will probably need to fill in at 2nd or 3rd line center for a spell to start the season. Hopefully, Frost and Laughton take the 2nd and 3rd line center roles out of camp. If they don't I think Brassard can at least be serviceable as the 2nd line center and would be a good (not great) fit at 3rd line center.
- mickel25

The fact he says he is more of a winger would rather see him at wing.

The fact he says he is more of a winger would rather see him at wing.
- hello it's me 2050

That would be fine too. But I think the team needs him at center. At least for the beginning of the season. Especially, if Frost does not lock up a center role out of camp.

Looks like the Bruins are icing a lineup of regulars tonight. Can’t see us winning the game so will need to focus on just playing a strong game.

Hello Flyer Fans,

This is off topic but what is your projection for Morgan Frost this season? 2C or 3C? AHL?

Thanks.

Hello Flyer Fans,

This is off topic but what is your projection for Morgan Frost this season? 2C or 3C? AHL?

Thanks.
- Go Canucks

traded for a "vet" center at some point.

Brassard is fine if used properly. No issue with him overall. He is still an NHL player, unlike Nate.

More of an indication that the flyers prospects are not ready or good enough in the GM's mind. At least how I see it.
- hello it's me 2050

I’m sorry but I have to agree with this. I don’t think the Flyers are starved for youth, I’m sure Tyson Foerster and Cam York will be very good NHL players but Derek Brassard, Scott Laughton and Nate Thompson at center behind Sean Couturier is very underwhelming to me. The wait for Morgan Frost to make the leap has been unacceptable to me. German Rubtsov is a flop. We traded Nolan Patrick who has a chance to redeem himself but it doesn’t matter because it’s not gonna be here. I don’t even like Kevin Hayes as a player but the drop off behind Hayes feels titanic because very little has worked out in terms of drafting.

Did I miss the lines and pairings for tonight?

Edit: nevermind, I saw this best guess from Jordan Hall

https://www.nbcsports.com...e-tv-info-lineup-and-more