I thought the best example of that tonight was when he tried to block that one shot. He half arsed it and used his stick to try and block the shot, and deflected it in on Hart who had to actually make a tough save on the play. Not impressed with this kid at all. He looks disengaged to me. - Phillywhiteout
I know he had a decent night in the circle, but am I missing something here… what are people watching that they think he is ready for the NHL?
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I know he had a decent night in the circle, but am I missing something here… what are people watching that they think he is ready for the NHL? - Joe Nardone
He was already "NHL ready" back in 19-20...
The problem now is that he needs to get his legs, timing and quickness back to pre-injury levels. He's obviously not quite there yet. Looks like it'll take him more than a couple of games to get there.
The problem now is that he needs to get his legs, timing and quickness back to pre-injury levels. He's obviously not quite there yet. Looks like it'll take him more than a couple of games to get there. - Tomahawk
He has had the entire summer..camp and preseason....it isnt about timing its about engagement and being involved. that doesnt take timng. He looks like he is avoiding getting involved like our recent #2 pick
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He has had the entire summer..camp and preseason....it isnt about timing its about engagement and being involved. that doesnt take timng. He looks like he is avoiding getting involved like our recent #2 pick - hfc355
I agree. None of his issues are timing or rust related in my opinion. He looks timid and slow. You would think he would be busting his ass from an effort standpoint, instead he looks like he is just floating around back and forth then back to the bench for many shifts.
I made a point to watch him every shift I could see just to get an idea of where he is on the ice in relation to the puck and play. I was not impressed. No anticipation, late arriving to make any difference at all.
I hope he dials it up. That is where it needs to start.
He needs to take a lesson from Atkinsons book, that guy is all over the ice disrupting things, imposing himself on the game. Atkinson forces the play, Frost is waiting for it to force him.
The problem now is that he needs to get his legs, timing and quickness back to pre-injury levels. He's obviously not quite there yet. Looks like it'll take him more than a couple of games to get there. - Tomahawk
I don't agree with your assessment, Frost IMO was not ready then and is not ready now, and that is concerning. He is playing no different now than he did then, on the perimeter, practically invisible out there. I am concerned so far. I mean we are seeing other young players who are making much more of an impact in these preseason games than Frost, for example, in this game I saw much more from Elliot Desnoyers and Max Willman than from Frost!
If you were watching Frost that closely, you'd see that:
1) He is working his butt off defensively. Not cheating out of the zone early at all. Defense is a concern with him but he's been fine overall off puck the last two games. He's not hurting the team being out there.
2) Last night, he was unusually physical. Had four hits.
3) He forechecked quite well in Saturday's game. Not as effectively last night, though. Going to where the puck is rather than where it will be.
4) He's not playing with much offensive confidence yet, which is normally his strong suit. But he's made 3-4 really nice passes over the last two games. Had one great scoring chance last night, set up by Lindblom. We all want it come at once. Sometimes it takes time and a little puck luck to get back to just playing and not overthinking. When he had he shootout opportunity on Saturday, he was relaxed and loose (it didn't count for anything) and he scored.
5) When he was getting touches, he was taken off the puck too easily in last Thursday's game. Fared better on Saturday. Kind of in the middle last night.
6) He's more comfortable working the left side on the power play. He said on Saturday that he is equally comfortable on either side but he's been a full tick more noticeable and effective in generating puck movement from the left.
If you were watching Frost that closely, you'd see that:
5) When he was getting touches, he was taken off the puck too easily in last Thursday's game. Fared better on Saturday. Kind of in the middle last night. - bmeltzer
This is what bothers me, right here, about Frost. I understand the Bruins are a well coached team, and that even their B players are very well structured defensively and play extremely hard, but this is a game where I expect Frost (who is supposed to be ready for the NHL!) to really exert himself and show he belongs. Yet last night by your own admission he was middle of the pack. How is Frost going to fair against Bergeron or Charlie Coyle (their most likely 2nd line center)? Well we know that answer also, he will be invisible! This is not good, not good at all.
I actually started noticing Frost in last night’s game more than the previous ones. In a positive way, he had some really nice passes, the scoring chance right out in front. I started to think that maybe playing with Lindblom is good for him. The shootout goal the other night was nice. Anyway, I see progression so hopefully it continues and like Bill says, he can get a little lucky.
This is what bothers me, right here, about Frost. I understand the Bruins are a well coached team, and that even their B players are very well structured defensively and play extremely hard, but this is a game where I expect Frost (who is supposed to be ready for the NHL!) to really exert himself and show he belongs. Yet last night by your own admission he was middle of the pack. How is going to fair against Bergeron or Charlie Coyle (their most likely 2nd line center)? Well we know that answer also, he will be invisible! This is not good, not good at all. - jd250
You misinterpreted Bill's comments. That was about one aspect of his game. It's going to be a work in progress for the player. He missed a full year. No he is not going to fair well against Bergeron. We knew that before the season even started. He's played 3 pre-season games. They have to let this kid play his way back into it. Frost is not a 2nd line center in the NHL at this point in time. Asking him to be that at this point in time is unrealistic. Bill describes exactly what you would expect from a player who missed a full year. As did Tomahawk. His defensive play and play away from the puck is good. His physical play shows that he is exerting himself. You would expect his offensive timing and play anticipation to be lagging behind and the last aspects to come back. He has to play his way through that. As someone who claims to have a GM level of player evaluation, this is something that you should know.
If you were watching Frost that closely, you'd see that:
1) He is working his butt off defensively. Not cheating out of the zone early at all. Defense is a concern with him but he's been fine overall off puck the last two games. He's not hurting the team being out there.
2) Last night, he was unusually physical. Had four hits.
3) He forechecked quite well in Saturday's game. Not as effectively last night, though. Going to where the puck is rather than where it will be.
4) He's not playing with much offensive confidence yet, which is normally his strong suit. But he's made 3-4 really nice passes over the last two games. Had one great scoring chance last night, set up by Lindblom. We all want it come at once. Sometimes it takes time and a little puck luck to get back to just playing and not overthinking. When he had he shootout opportunity on Saturday, he was relaxed and loose (it didn't count for anything) and he scored.
5) When he was getting touches, he was taken off the puck too easily in last Thursday's game. Fared better on Saturday. Kind of in the middle last night.
6) He's more comfortable working the left side on the power play. He said on Saturday that he is equally comfortable on either side but he's been a full tick more noticeable and effective in generating puck movement from the left. - bmeltzer
What I have noticed before with some young forwards trying to make the team is that it seems the coaching staff needs to ensure that they can be responsible defensively at the nhl level first in order to make the cut. Then they kind of say, play the right way on D and the O will come. I expect that the staff explicitly tell them so. To a lot of people, they'll look at the stats and say my God, Frost should be scoring 5 points a night in preseason with some thin rosters as competition, but that may not be what they want him to focus on.
I actually started noticing Frost in last night’s game more than the previous ones. In a positive way, he had some really nice passes, the scoring chance right out in front. I started to think that maybe playing with Lindblom is good for him. The shootout goal the other night was nice. Anyway, I see progression so hopefully it continues and like Bill says, he can get a little lucky. - NC Flyers Fan
He had a good scoring chance, where Swayman made a good save.
This is what bothers me, right here, about Frost. I understand the Bruins are a well coached team, and that even their B players are very well structured defensively and play extremely hard, but this is a game where I expect Frost (who is supposed to be ready for the NHL!) to really exert himself and show he belongs. Yet last night by your own admission he was middle of the pack. How is going to fair against Bergeron or Charlie Coyle (their most likely 2nd line center)? Well we know that answer also, he will be invisible! This is not good, not good at all. - jd250
Once he starts making more plays -- and he will, because that is the biggest strength of his game -- he will be fine. It's the defensive/details side that got him sent back down to the AHL in 2019-20. Now that's coming back off the injury and all the missed time, he's been a lot better defensively (which is no small thing) but the offense hasn't come back yet. If he's not hurting you defensively, there's time for him to get back to making more plays offensively even if it hasn't come yet.
I enjoy reading about your balanced approach to assessing the team during the preseason. I'm impressed that you can tell that they suck and are an abject failure so early on..
I enjoy reading about your balanced approach to assessing the team during the preseason. I'm impressed that you can tell that they suck and are an abject failure so early on.. - Hextall271
Impressed with the bruins. Well coached. all there players seem to be on the same page. They hustle. They finish their checks. Bust it every shift. Found a nice goalie in the 4th rd it seems.
I have all the confidence in the world the smiling captain clode will have the troops ready to roll come opening night. I expect the usual fast start.
Once he starts making more plays -- and he will, because that is the biggest strength of his game -- he will be fine. It's the defensive/details side that got him sent back down to the AHL in 2019-20. Now that's coming back off the injury and all the missed time, he's been a lot better defensively (which is no small thing) but the offense hasn't come back yet. If he's not hurting you defensively, there's time for him to get back to making more plays offensively even if it hasn't come yet. - bmeltzer
I have not seen him in person this year, so can’t speak to 100% of his game right now, but I would say playing center and having to battle in his own end is hurting him offensively. To start a tough shift in your own end and then have enough air in your lungs to play w a purpose in the offensive zone is not easy. Maybe he just needs to get his legs under him at NHL speed….
What I do know is he is not driving play offensively. I’m sure that will come, but as of now he is not ready to play in this league and be relied on for offense. Sorry. Not at center. Let him find his game at wing for now if we must start him in the NHL much in the same way G started.
I’d start him in the AHL if he must play center right now. Other than some folks feeling a little sore cause they predicted he must win a job out of camp, what is the downside?
No the one where I think it was JVR centred it and Swayman pushed over laterally very fast and got it in the lower chest. Frost didn't get much on it though
No the one where I think it was JVR centred it and Swayman pushed over laterally very fast and got it in the lower chest. Frost didn't get much on it though - Hextall271
Alright I don’t remember that one. Maybe I was distracted by my dog and the squeaky ball game.
You misinterpreted Bill's comments. That was about one aspect of his game. It's going to be a work in progress for the player. He missed a full year. No he is not going to fair well against Bergeron. We knew that before the season even started. He's played 3 pre-season games. They have to let this kid play his way back into it. Frost is not a 2nd line center in the NHL at this point in time. Asking him to be that at this point in time is unrealistic. Bill describes exactly what you would expect from a player who missed a full year. As did Tomahawk. His defensive play and play away from the puck is good. His physical play shows that he is exerting himself. You would expect his offensive timing and play anticipation to be lagging behind and the last aspects to come back. He has to play his way through that. As someone who claims to have a GM level of player evaluation, this is something that you should know. - MJL
I don't see it from him, sorry. He is playing the same way now as he did before he got injured. I didn't see "it" in him then, and I don't see "it" in him now. I hope I am wrong, because as I posted previously, the Flyers cannot afford to miss on another 1st round pick, especially one that they gave up real value to obtain.
He had a good scoring chance, where Swayman made a good save. - Hextall271
Really? Frost skated hard and got the tip of this stick on the pass from Lindblom and flipped the puck into Swayman's chest. Not a hard save and not a dangerous shot.
