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carsonagenic
Vancouver Canucks
Location: AB
Joined: 03.08.2006

Oct 7 @ 3:03 PM ET
everyone is placing blame on management for poor asset management, but this is entirely on the player.

He was a 2nd round, that already had NHL size when he was drafted, and after signing a 3 year ELC, he couldn't crack a bottom 6 or bench warmer/press box role with the team when we lacked depth more than ever. If you are at the end of your ELC, you still can't crack a roster that has depth issues, that says more on the player than it does management.

And again, if he doesn't crack the Sharks roster, the Canucks claim him and send him back to abbottsford and deal with whether or not they want to keep him or let him go in the summer.

- Codes1087

I take the Gadj at 22 lottery ticket over the Highmore at 25 soiled toilet paper.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:03 PM ET
I didn't think they would be dumb enough to try it....FAIL
- carsonagenic


See how it plays out I wish him well
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Oct 7 @ 3:03 PM ET
I don't think he got a chance to show it this preseason. I think they figured they were not going to use him with the big club and just try to sneak him through waivers. It backfired and they lost him. Sure it's the AHL and it was a Covid season, but he had 15 goals in 18 games last season! plus had size and snarl with improved skating.
Just dumb management on this one.

- carsonagenic


Ok but goldobin was a proficient goal scorer in the AHL too. So was reid boucher. Francis perron, Cory conacher. The outlier for a good prospect isn't always goals in the American league.
carsonagenic
Vancouver Canucks
Location: AB
Joined: 03.08.2006

Oct 7 @ 3:06 PM ET
Ok but goldobin was a proficient goal scorer in the AHL too. So was reid boucher. Francis perron, Cory conacher. The outlier for a good prospect isn't always goals in the American league.
- Codes1087

Yes but all those players you just mentioned if stacked on top of each others shoulders, don't equal Gadj's size or snarl. intangibles still count in my books, especially when the rest of your roster is filled with small skilled Reid Boucher types.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Oct 7 @ 3:06 PM ET
I take the Gadj at 22 lottery ticket over the Highmore at 25 soiled toilet paper.
- carsonagenic


If macewen is here to stay, and they established him in that type of role on the team, than gadjovich is sort of expendable no?

I honestly just don't understand the outcry. If he was good enough he would have never been out on waivers. Sucks to lose out on a prospect we spent years on, but ultimately it's up to the player to force managements hand into him making the team, not management's hand into sending him down and risk him being claimed.
carsonagenic
Vancouver Canucks
Location: AB
Joined: 03.08.2006

Oct 7 @ 3:09 PM ET
If macewen is here to stay, and they established him in that type of role on the team, than gadjovich is sort of expendable no?

I honestly just don't understand the outcry. If he was good enough he would have never been out on waivers. Sucks to lose out on a prospect we spent years on, but ultimately it's up to the player to force managements hand into him making the team, not management's hand into sending him down and risk him being claimed.

- Codes1087

IMO Gadj > Mac
But I'm just just a girl in the world...
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:10 PM ET
No not really. He was cut because he wasn't good enough to beat out a bunch of ufas that we signed to one year contracts lol. I'll eat crow in that I thought he wouldn't get claimed, but I still think you were being a drama queen in making a stink over a player that lost out to macewen, di guiseppe, chaisson, Bailey, petan, podkolzin, Dowling.

He can't skate and has played 1 NHL game since being drafted and had a awful showing. Sucks he got claimed, but are we really crying over losing gadjovich??

- Codes1087

I liked him, but if he lost out to some journeymen then this is no biggie. Ideally he could've passed and kept developing down in the AHL, that was better for him than being a 12th/13th forward in the NHL
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:11 PM ET
I take the Gadj at 22 lottery ticket over the Highmore at 25 soiled toilet paper.
- carsonagenic

Highmore can PK. Also, seems to be getting written off like Motte did when he first arrived to Vancouver. I think he could be a quality 4th liner
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:11 PM ET
Ok but goldobin was a proficient goal scorer in the AHL too. So was reid boucher. Francis perron, Cory conacher. The outlier for a good prospect isn't always goals in the American league.
- Codes1087

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:13 PM ET
Highmore can PK. Also, seems to be getting written off like Motte did when he first arrived to Vancouver. I think he could be a quality 4th liner
- Nucker101


I don't understand the love of Highmore ( not you) . Undersized guy who gets 8 goals a year if he is having a good year. He and Motte are the type of players bottom 10 teams hang onto.
carsonagenic
Vancouver Canucks
Location: AB
Joined: 03.08.2006

Oct 7 @ 3:13 PM ET
I liked him, but if he lost out to some journeymen then this is no biggie. Ideally he could've passed and kept developing down in the AHL, that was better for him than being a 12th/13th forward in the NHL
- Nucker101

But did he truly lose out? From most things I read, he had a good camp and scored goal in his only preseason game. Why only one game? I think they thought they could slide him through waivers with little exposure and got caught doing it.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Oct 7 @ 3:15 PM ET
I don't understand the love of Highmore ( not you) . Undersized guy who gets 8 goals a year if he is having a good year. He and Motte are the type of players bottom 10 teams hang onto.
- VANTEL


One of the things I wish green did was use more top 6 on the PK. Marchand and Bergeron play the PK in Boston and they are insanely good at it. It'd always bottom 6 with green. I'd love to see horvat and Pearson on one, and motte and Richardinson on another.
carsonagenic
Vancouver Canucks
Location: AB
Joined: 03.08.2006

Oct 7 @ 3:16 PM ET
Highmore can PK. Also, seems to be getting written off like Motte did when he first arrived to Vancouver. I think he could be a quality 4th liner
- Nucker101

So take the lower ceiling player... opposite of drafting
And as far as PK duty? we can't come up with 4 forwards to kill penalties until Motte and or the great Sutter returns?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:18 PM ET
But did he truly lose out? From most things I read, he had a good camp and scored goal in his only preseason game. Why only one game? I think they thought they could slide him through waivers with little exposure and got caught doing it.
- carsonagenic


He did have a good camp . I seen lots of people at the untelevised scrimmages saying he stood out. He hit he scored he set up a beautiful goal. Green never had him in his cards .
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 7 @ 3:18 PM ET
But did he truly lose out? From most things I read, he had a good camp and scored goal in his only preseason game. Why only one game? I think they thought they could slide him through waivers with little exposure and got caught doing it.
- carsonagenic


He's 22 and trending upward still. The other players being mentioned have no upside. Argument over.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:18 PM ET
I don't understand the love of Highmore ( not you) . Undersized guy who gets 8 goals a year if he is having a good year. He and Motte are the type of players bottom 10 teams hang onto.
- VANTEL


Motte has been the heart and soul of the bottom 6 during the past couple of years. It was the declining vets who made up the rest of the bottom 6 that held the team back(Roussel after his injury, Loui quitting on the team with low effort, Sutter battling injuries, Beagle was okay, Virtanen not being as professional, etc.)
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 7 @ 3:18 PM ET
I take the Gadj at 22 lottery ticket over the Highmore at 25 soiled toilet paper.
- carsonagenic



Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:19 PM ET
But did he truly lose out? From most things I read, he had a good camp and scored goal in his only preseason game. Why only one game? I think they thought they could slide him through waivers with little exposure and got caught doing it.
- carsonagenic

I mean he was waived so clearly he was outplayed in camp, also Green likely wanted players who can PK and be trusted defensively.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:20 PM ET
So take the lower ceiling player... opposite of drafting
And as far as PK duty? we can't come up with 4 forwards to kill penalties until Motte and or the great Sutter returns?

- carsonagenic


Green may want to limit Bo's PK time so he doesn't wear down. Miller can PK but I don't think Green wants him as a full time PK'er either. So a couple of other options to go along with Pearson and Richardinson are needed
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:21 PM ET
Motte has been the heart and soul of the bottom 6 during the past couple of years. It was the declining vets who made up the rest of the bottom 6 that held the team back(Roussel after his injury, Loui quitting on the team with low effort, Sutter battling injuries, Beagle was okay, Virtanen not being as professional, etc.)
- Nucker101


Great for Motte not so great for Canucks
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 7 @ 3:21 PM ET
He did have a good camp . I seen lots of people at the untelevised scrimmages saying he stood out. He hit he scored he set up a beautiful goal. Green never had him in his cards .
- VANTEL


Good camp, good season last year... 22, big, and reasonably tough. Net presence. Dedicated to improving his deficiencies. Time invested in his development.

Poor managing.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 7 @ 3:22 PM ET
I mean he was waived so clearly he was outplayed in camp, also Green likely wanted players who can PK and be trusted defensively.
- Nucker101


I don't think this is as black and white as you think it is.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:23 PM ET
Great for Motte not so great for Canucks

- VANTEL

Just saying, on a good team, he isn't asked to carry the bottom 6. Hopefully with Garland, Richardinson, Pod added now he's no longer in that position
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:23 PM ET
Good camp, good season last year... 22, big, and reasonably tough. Net presence. Dedicated to improving his deficiencies. Time invested in his development.

Poor managing.

- boonerbuck


I have to agree . I agree with your comment he is 22 and room to grow while the others are what they are.
carsonagenic
Vancouver Canucks
Location: AB
Joined: 03.08.2006

Oct 7 @ 3:24 PM ET
He's 22 and trending upward still. The other players being mentioned have no upside. Argument over.
- boonerbuck

Exactly
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