Did he suck last night? The Vegas blogger was hyping him up
- ClaudeFather

Will try to catch the replay today. Highlights only saw him once. Goal against.

Do you now recant your claims that Frost was not playing like a player who wanted to earn a spot on the team? That he is a player who showed no signs of being a player and caused you to state that you "don't see it"?
- MJL

Here you go again, trying to start an argument instead of building a conversation. I just posted "To be honest I don't see the potential top 6 forward the coaching staff does", so how is this recanting anything?? I also did not think, just my observation, that Frost was trying all that hard compared to other forwards I saw trying to make the squad. I listened to Jason Myrtetus' podcast yesterday where Bill and Jason discussed Frost at length, and they mentioned Frost was chasing the puck versus anticipating where the puck will be, and this resonated with me and could explain why I felt he was invisible and even not trying hard. After listening to that podcast last night and reading Fletcher's comments this morning, I am still concerned but encouraged that Frost can get his game back and hopefully be a top 6 forward on this team. Like I said previously, the Flyers really can't afford to miss again on another 1st round pick.

so funny you keep pushing the the Ratcliff. What has he done to even remotely suggest he should be on the phantoms top line?
- hello it's me 2050

He can skate and has size. Historically skilled players like to play with a player like Ratcliff because he can create space for them to operate. I think it would be a nice combination.

Did he suck last night? The Vegas blogger was hyping him up
- ClaudeFather

I've seen that too. I call it shiny new toy syndrome. Reality will set in soon enough and that will change.

Until Allison and Hayes return, the 4th line is a dumpster fire.

Here you go again, trying to start an argument instead of building a conversation. I just posted "To be honest I don't see the potential top 6 forward the coaching staff does", so how is this recanting anything?? I also did not think, just my observation, that Frost was trying all that hard compared to other forwards I saw trying to make the squad. I listened to Jason Myrtetus' podcast yesterday where Bill and Jason discussed Frost at length, and they mentioned Frost was chasing the puck versus anticipating where the puck will be, and this resonated with me and could explain why I felt he was invisible and even not trying hard. After listening to that podcast last night and reading Fletcher's comments this morning, I am still concerned but encouraged that Frost can get his game back and hopefully be a top 6 forward on this team. Like I said previously, the Flyers really can't afford to miss again on another 1st round pick.
- jd250

Asking a question is not building an argument and is quite clearly an attempt at starting a conversation. Seeing as you replied with a lengthy paragraph proving your own statement incorrect.
I did not state that you recanted anything. I asked you if you are. Clearly.

So what we see here is a repeated pattern where you alter or spin a previous opinion that you made based on information you read or hear after the fact. Rather than changing due to your own observations. Which would be fine.

Let's look at the facts. The first fact is that you have in the past claimed that you have an ability to assess players as good as any NHL GM.

We know that Frost has offensive talent and ability. We've seen that at the junior level, at the AHL level and some at the NHL level. The highlight video of plays he has made at the NHL level has been posted many times.

Despite your claims that Frost to paraphrase was not competing hard enough to earn a spot, we have statements from two reliable sources that state otherwise. That would be the GM and from Bill Meltzer.

From those statements, we learn in combination that Frost competed well, played more physical and played well defensively and away from the puck. All of which to anyone with GM level talent evaluation skills, would be very positive signs. Hey but you don't see it. We also have quotes from the coaching staff that contradict your opinion.

It is not surprising that Frost's offensive timing is not there after playing in a handful of hockey games in a 500+ day span. While the best case scenario would've been for Frost to jump right back in and earn a spot, that didn't happen. However big picture when we combine what we know about his skill level along with his improved physical stature and all around play, that all bodes well for the future for Frost. He just needs to play and get back his offensive timing.

A person with NHL level ability to assess a player does not make the mistake that you self admitted to.

Did he suck last night? The Vegas blogger was hyping him up
- ClaudeFather

14:22 TOI, 1H. 2BLK. 0 Points and Shots, -1. Same old.

14:22 TOI, 1H. 2BLK. 0 Points and Shots, -1. Same old.
- Djapana

He was playing with max p and stone as well.

Asking a question is not building an argument and is quite clearly an attempt at starting a conversation. Seeing as you replied with a lengthy paragraph proving your own statement incorrect.
I did not state that you recanted anything. I asked you if you are. Clearly.

So what we see here is a repeated pattern where you alter or spin a previous opinion that you made based on information you read or hear after the fact. Rather than changing due to your own observations. Which would be fine.

Let's look at the facts. The first fact is that you have in the past claimed that you have an ability to assess players as good as any NHL GM.

We know that Frost has offensive talent and ability. We've seen that at the junior level, at the AHL level and some at the NHL level. The highlight video of plays he has made at the NHL level has been posted many times.

Despite your claims that Frost to paraphrase was not competing hard enough to earn a spot, we have statements from two reliable sources that state otherwise. That would be the GM and from Bill Meltzer.

From those statements, we learn in combination that Frost competed well, played more physical and played well defensively and away from the puck. All of which to anyone with GM level talent evaluation skills, would be very positive signs. Hey but you don't see it. We also have quotes from the coaching staff that contradict your opinion.

It is not surprising that Frost's offensive timing is not there after playing in a handful of hockey games in a 500+ day span. While the best case scenario would've been for Frost to jump right back in and earn a spot, that didn't happen. However big picture when we combine what we know about his skill level along with his improved physical stature and all around play, that all bodes well for the future for Frost. He just needs to play and get back his offensive timing.

A person with NHL level ability to assess a player does not make the mistake that you self admitted to.
- MJL

The one thing that Bill, the coaches and GM have that I don't have is a live view of the game, whereas I am limited to where the TV camera is pointing. Again, I am not trying to recant anything I have posted, and I will be very happy to change my mind through my own observations when I have the opportunity to do so. Unfortunately I don't live near LHV to see the games there and they are not streamed, at least that I know of. Time will tell in the end, as Bill stated yesterday, if Frost is still struggling in a few months, then we can start to worry.

The only comment I wished to convey was that 1. I'm happy there is still confidence in Frost to be a top 6 forward within the organization and 2. I really like Fletcher as a GM, especially in this case where it appears he stepped in for the player to have the best chance to succeed.

Asking a question is not building an argument and is quite clearly an attempt at starting a conversation. Seeing as you replied with a lengthy paragraph proving your own statement incorrect.
I did not state that you recanted anything. I asked you if you are. Clearly.

So what we see here is a repeated pattern where you alter or spin a previous opinion that you made based on information you read or hear after the fact. Rather than changing due to your own observations. Which would be fine.

Let's look at the facts. The first fact is that you have in the past claimed that you have an ability to assess players as good as any NHL GM.

We know that Frost has offensive talent and ability. We've seen that at the junior level, at the AHL level and some at the NHL level. The highlight video of plays he has made at the NHL level has been posted many times.

Despite your claims that Frost to paraphrase was not competing hard enough to earn a spot, we have statements from two reliable sources that state otherwise. That would be the GM and from Bill Meltzer.

From those statements, we learn in combination that Frost competed well, played more physical and played well defensively and away from the puck. All of which to anyone with GM level talent evaluation skills, would be very positive signs. Hey but you don't see it. We also have quotes from the coaching staff that contradict your opinion.

It is not surprising that Frost's offensive timing is not there after playing in a handful of hockey games in a 500+ day span. While the best case scenario would've been for Frost to jump right back in and earn a spot, that didn't happen. However big picture when we combine what we know about his skill level along with his improved physical stature and all around play, that all bodes well for the future for Frost. He just needs to play and get back his offensive timing.

A person with NHL level ability to assess a player does not make the mistake that you self admitted to.
- MJL

I’ll answer your question..

Defensively he was much better. More responsible. More intelligent. Obvious he has worked on draws. He definitely showed he has prepared to play in the NHL. I’d still start him at wing, but that’s just me.

Offensively he showed pretty much nothing. Nothing. Two decent passes at the blueline maybe. That’s kinda it. Don’t care about the lack of pints. He just was absent in the offensive zone. Most likely due timing and simply not having played enough hockey of late. No one should be surprised by that. The Flyers were not and fortunately they signed Brassard to compensate further up the lineup now and further down in the future.

He is not ready. We knew he would not be ready. No big deal. He can get his timing back at Lehigh and comeback when it makes sense.

I will say this, most young offensive players in their 20s show something in the preseason. A dominant shift. A 1 on 1 move. Something. He did not. Again, prob cause he was laser focused on his own end and needs to get his timing back.

We knew he would not be ready. This should not be a surface.

I’ll answer your question..

Defensively he was much better. More responsible. More intelligent. Obvious he has worked on draws. He definitely showed he has prepared to play in the NHL. I’d still start him at wing, but that’s just me.

Offensively he showed pretty much nothing. Nothing. Two decent passes at the blueline maybe. That’s kinda it. Don’t care about the lack of pints. He just was absent in the offensive zone. Most likely due timing and simply not having played enough hockey of late. No one should be surprised by that. The Flyers were not and fortunately they signed Brassard to compensate further up the lineup now and further down in the future.

He is not ready. We knew he would not be ready. No big deal. He can get his timing back at Lehigh and comeback when it makes sense.

I will say this, most young offensive players in their 20s show something in the preseason. A dominant shift. A 1 on 1 move. Something. He did not. Again, prob cause he was laser focused on his own end and needs to get his timing back.

We knew he would not be ready. This should not be a surface.
- Joe Nardone

I’m just impressed you read that whole response.

I’m just impressed you read that whole response.
- Peter Richards

And I give him credit for giving a reasonable answer instead of throwing insults like a 4th grade boy.

14:22 TOI, 1H. 2BLK. 0 Points and Shots, -1. Same old.
- Djapana

There’s the guy I know lol

The one thing that Bill, the coaches and GM have that I don't have is a live view of the game, whereas I am limited to where the TV camera is pointing. Again, I am not trying to recant anything I have posted, and I will be very happy to change my mind through my own observations when I have the opportunity to do so. Unfortunately I don't live near LHV to see the games there and they are not streamed, at least that I know of. Time will tell in the end, as Bill stated yesterday, if Frost is still struggling in a few months, then we can start to worry.

The only comment I wished to convey was that 1. I'm happy there is still confidence in Frost to be a top 6 forward within the organization and 2. I really like Fletcher as a GM, especially in this case where it appears he stepped in for the player to have the best chance to succeed.
- jd250

How come in any of your initial analysis of any player, that does not include this spin of not having the same live view of games? I doubt that Bill Meltzer has attended every pre season game, especially the road games. So we can dispense with that excuse.

I’ll answer your question..

Defensively he was much better. More responsible. More intelligent. Obvious he has worked on draws. He definitely showed he has prepared to play in the NHL. I’d still start him at wing, but that’s just me.

Offensively he showed pretty much nothing. Nothing. Two decent passes at the blueline maybe. That’s kinda it. Don’t care about the lack of pints. He just was absent in the offensive zone. Most likely due timing and simply not having played enough hockey of late. No one should be surprised by that. The Flyers were not and fortunately they signed Brassard to compensate further up the lineup now and further down in the future.

He is not ready. We knew he would not be ready. No big deal. He can get his timing back at Lehigh and comeback when it makes sense.

I will say this, most young offensive players in their 20s show something in the preseason. A dominant shift. A 1 on 1 move. Something. He did not. Again, prob cause he was laser focused on his own end and needs to get his timing back.

We knew he would not be ready. This should not be a surface.
- Joe Nardone

See, this is reasonable. You assessed his play in the pre season and with reasoning stated that he showed that offensively despite his improved play away from the puck, he didn't show that his game in that area was up to par. You included the fact that he has not played much hockey in the last year.

Now in terms of the other poster, let's look at what you didn't do. You didn't make any claims based on his play in this pre season that the player doesn't have the potential and that you don't "see it".

And I give him credit for giving a reasonable answer instead of throwing insults like a 4th grade boy.
- MBFlyerfan

What was the question and the insult?

He can skate and has size. Historically skilled players like to play with a player like Ratcliff because he can create space for them to operate. I think it would be a nice combination.
- jd250

So in other words you really have no reason why he should be on the top phantoms line.

If you have really watched him play he doesn't create any space. He is weak on the puck. doesn't use his size much at all.

The one thing that Bill, the coaches and GM have that I don't have is a live view of the game, whereas I am limited to where the TV camera is pointing. Again, I am not trying to recant anything I have posted, and I will be very happy to change my mind through my own observations when I have the opportunity to do so. Unfortunately I don't live near LHV to see the games there and they are not streamed, at least that I know of. Time will tell in the end, as Bill stated yesterday, if Frost is still struggling in a few months, then we can start to worry.

The only comment I wished to convey was that 1. I'm happy there is still confidence in Frost to be a top 6 forward within the organization and 2. I really like Fletcher as a GM, especially in this case where it appears he stepped in for the player to have the best chance to succeed.
- jd250

Well the GM is going to pump him up regardless for the most part. Would be foolish not too. lets see in 3/4 months how much confidence they have. Remember the GM has zero ties to Frost.

So in other words you really have no reason why he should be on the top phantoms line.

If you have really watched him play he doesn't create any space. He is weak on the puck. doesn't use his size much at all.
- hello it's me 2050

Shame really. But I think he may have been over hyped when he was drafted. Injuries set him back but they talked about his hands and then the size. Wasn’t he centered by Suzuki? I will give him this year to see…they always say the bigger guys take longer.

Until Allison and Hayes return, the 4th line is a dumpster fire.
- PLindbergh31

Is Allison a 100% lock on making the team? He showed talent... But, he only played 14 NHL games last year. Injured for the preseason, etc. I hope he picks up where he left off last year. Do they bounce him to the AHL for a few games, to get up to speed?

Shame really. But I think he may have been over hyped when he was drafted. Injuries set him back but they talked about his hands and then the size. Wasn’t he centered by Suzuki? I will give him this year to see…they always say the bigger guys take longer.
- Peter Richards

They have to see how he does this year before cutting bait no doubt. He has to take some big strides imo.

Also to the shock of no one all Flyers players cleared waivers. Shocked Saint Ronnie didn't take a chance on the German....I kid.

Is Allison a 100% lock on making the team? He showed talent... But, he only played 14 NHL games last year. Injured for the preseason, etc. I hope he picks up where he left off last year. Do they bounce him to the AHL for a few games, to get up to speed?
- leon neon

After the injury I would think at least a conditioning stint in the ahl. When the team is healthy I would give him the chance over Nate or NAK if he has trouble. He just needs to stay healthy.

Is Allison a 100% lock on making the team? He showed talent... But, he only played 14 NHL games last year. Injured for the preseason, etc. I hope he picks up where he left off last year. Do they bounce him to the AHL for a few games, to get up to speed?
- leon neon

In my opinion, he would have absolutely made the team had he not been injured. I believe that Allison is a top 9 winger in this league and is going to be a solid player barring any lasting physical issues. Injuries are a concern. He is a player that has absolutely been held back due to injuries.

They have to see how he does this year before cutting bait no doubt. He has to take some big strides imo.

Also to the shock of no one all Flyers players cleared waivers. Shocked Saint Ronnie didn't take a chance on the German....I kid.
- hello it's me 2050

Lol I had the same thought yesterday about German.

And we should’ve seen it coming when his focused change to trying to become a 4 th line player. If so the aggression needs to be there. Not as much finesse.

He can skate and has size. Historically skilled players like to play with a player like Ratcliff because he can create space for them to operate. I think it would be a nice combination.
- jd250

Have you seen him play? I have seen nothing of him creating space for anyone. Hopefully he shows something this year in the AHL, but hasnt shown anything in the last couple years. Time is starting to run out for some of these prospects.