Ok, lets get this done.

- Fakepartofme

Well if that tweet was real, might as well get it done sooner than later.

Or they could trade the little rat.
- bobbyisno1

They could have but didn’t want to.

This is the bloody point I’m trying to make, players don’t have much in the way of decisions when they’re RFAs… it’s either agree with the team or be willing to sit

Ottawa also doesnt give signing bonuses so probably had to add a little on top for that
- senstroll

He was openly going for a shorter deal. I’m sure that was the biggest issue.

Dont be ridiculous. They arent getting McDavid until his contract is up
- Archaic

And why would the Oilers not want a first team all star in return when they know he wants to be a Leaf?

Good thing I saved space for everyone on the Willy bandwagon for so long!

Pace means very little. Come back when he actually hits 25 goals. He wont be a perenial 30 goal scorer. I see him as 25ish goal scorer and 60ish point player.

8.25 is way overpaying for that type of production.
- Archaic

Leafs paid $7m to Willie after 20-22 goals and Tkachuk had no one near as good for linemates as Willie had.

They could have but didn’t want to.

This is the bloody point I’m trying to make, players don’t have much in the way of decisions when they’re RFAs… it’s either agree with the team or be willing to sit
- Dozzer

Development, marketing, team success, moral...its all just as important to the team as it is the player to get him playing.

This isnt a video game.

And you are wrong, if it were true RFA's would all get paid a million.

Well if that tweet was real, might as well get it done sooner than later.
- bobbyisno1

Edmonton wont trading McD unfornately.
Not unless the team becomes a tire fire his last two years of contract., which is when we....

Its a pretty awful deal. Hes never going to live up to that contract. Sensarmy from the Sens thread thinks Leafs/Habs fan are complaining about the AAV due to having to play Brady for so long
- Archaic

Come up with some comparables, it's not a good contract.

DIdn't Muzzin troll the crap out of him last year? Yep, I'm looking forward to more of that for years to come.

(or was that the other Tkachuk loser)

They could have but didn’t want to.

This is the bloody point I’m trying to make, players don’t have much in the way of decisions when they’re RFAs… it’s either agree with the team or be willing to sit
- Dozzer

You're conveniently ignoring the part where the team wants the player as well. This is a mutual process. If it were as simple and one-way as you suggest, every team would offer an RFA an 8 year x $1m deal and say "Take it or sit until you're 27."

The team has market value studies and production studies and proration dollars and so on - as does a player's agent. They may see things differently, but somewhere in-between is going to be a common area. Often times term is the sticking point because a 1-3 year deal would carry less market value than a deal that covers UFA years or gives you the ability to renegotiate when the cap is going up.

The pandemic screws with this in a lot of ways, but again every year there was a basic expectation that there would be about 3.5% of revenue growth, leading to expected contract increases. With new TV revenue and new teams coming into the fold, league revenues should have gone up considerably eclipsing that 3.5% average - but it's been stalled. Ignoring that this happened, when a player goes in for negotiations, all of those factors come into play if the agent is trying to help them maximize their career earnings.

The team holds the cards, but the player doesn't have to play the game if the team decides to stack the deck.

Tkachuk is a rare player. There aren't many gritty, skilled guys in the league. So he gets a premium for that.

He needs to turn into a 70ish point player for this deal to work out for the Sens I think.
- Leafs43

Skilled enough to score...... 50 points?

Well if that tweet was real, might as well get it done sooner than later.
- bobbyisno1

It wasn't. McDavid doesn't refer to himself as McJesus.

He's really not that skilled. Id say he is closer to Tom Wilson then what I would consider a skilled forward
- Archaic

Tom Wilson actually had a higher point per game last year......

And he's also tougher. By a wide margin.

Development, marketing, team success, moral...its all just as important to the team as it is the player to get him playing.

This isnt a video game.

And you are wrong, if it were true RFA's would all get paid a million.
- Santo_44

You are wrong. All the RFA has to do is understand how effective they are for the team and be willing to sit unless they get what they want. If the sens insisted on paying him less fora long term contract he was willing to sit. So they had to either shorten the deal or pay him more.

Skilled enough to score...... 50 points?
- prock

Scores 50 with not much help, imagine him playing with Matthews.

1000 point seasons

You are wrong. All the RFA has to do is understand how effective they are for the team and be willing to sit unless they get what they want. If the sens insisted on paying him less fora long term contract he was willing to sit. So they had to either shorten the deal or pay him more.
- Dozzer

Ottawa does not want him to sit.

I disagree. I dont think he has that in him.
- Archaic

70 points is pretty unlikely.

It wasn't. McDavid doesn't refer to himself as McJesus.
- Monkeypunk

Didn't see that McJesus part, but since day one everyone has known he wants to be a Leaf.

He was openly going for a shorter deal. I’m sure that was the biggest issue.
- Dozzer

Matthews signed a 5 year deal which lead some to believe he’s leaving ASAP.
Brady signed a 7 year deal which lead some to believe the same thing.

You're conveniently ignoring the part where the team wants the player as well. This is a mutual process. If it were as simple and one-way as you suggest, every team would offer an RFA an 8 year x $1m deal and say "Take it or sit until you're 27."

The team has market value studies and production studies and proration dollars and so on - as does a player's agent. They may see things differently, but somewhere in-between is going to be a common area. Often times term is the sticking point because a 1-3 year deal would carry less market value than a deal that covers UFA years or gives you the ability to renegotiate when the cap is going up.

The pandemic screws with this in a lot of ways, but again every year there was a basic expectation that there would be about 3.5% of revenue growth, leading to expected contract increases. With new TV revenue and new teams coming into the fold, league revenues should have gone up considerably eclipsing that 3.5% average - but it's been stalled. Ignoring that this happened, when a player goes in for negotiations, all of those factors come into play if the agent is trying to help them maximize their career earnings.

The team holds the cards, but the player doesn't have to play the game if the team decides to stack the deck.
- Monkeypunk

The bolded is precisely what I’m saying. Holy poop do you read my posts?

Pay him more if you want the long term or make the contract shorter if you want to pay him less.

Skilled enough to score...... 50 points?
- prock

Well, 55ish point pace last year. On a bad Sens team. His point totals will likely increase just from the Sens as a team getting better.

I really don't know how to explain to some of you guys that 22 year old players tend to get better - which is what Ottawa is betting on.

They are overpaying (quite significantly) now in the hopes the contract is a good deal in years 3-7 or so. It's a gamble.

Didn't see that McJesus part, but since day one everyone has known he wants to be a Leaf.
- bobbyisno1

Bet he had Leafy jams too

Matthews signed a 5 year deal which lead some to believe he’s leaving ASAP.
Brady signed a 7 year deal which lead some to believe the same thing.
- Canada Cup

Pretty safe to say Matthews is a better player so he could demand more and get it.

And yes he’s leaving Toronto I’m sure of it.

Laughing at the sens, you would think it would have gotten boring by now.

But it really hasnt.



I do think they will be a feisty pain in the butt team to play against this year and next as they improve.
- Fakepartofme

yeah, the Leafs will be really annoyed by the Sens, I'm sure, but still walk away with a win by a 5 goal margin.