How do you know nobody else wanted them?
- MJL

Well the fact that the teams ahead of the Flyers in the waiver process would be a strong indicator they didn't wan them no?

Does TB win to back cups without Kucherov and Point? Kucherov was drafted in the 2nd round and Point in the 3rd round.

Whenever this argument is brought up, I always wonder why the entire picture is ignored. If we look at the entire picture what we would find is that your conclusion would need to be changed. If you want to argue that the best way to get an elite player is to draft high in the first round, I don't think there is any doubt about that. However when we look at what teams win the Cup. We also have to look at teams that don't win the Cup that have elite players drafted high in the first round. Hell there are some teams that have more than one that haven't gotten it done. When we look at that, then we see what you have to strive for.

How do you propose the Flyers should execute your plan?
- MJL

When are you going to answer on who to execute a proper rebuild? Always critiquing others plan so please share the MJL proper rebuild book.

Real question. If Jake has 60 assists and Atkinson has 30 goals is that a win for the Flyers?
- mickel25

Jake can have 100 points and it is a win imo. He had to go. Addition by subtraction. IMO he was problem behind closed doors.

Cam will not hit 30 goals imo.

So what would you do to make them a cup winning team?
- bradster

Do you really expect an answer? You will get his generic draft and develop. Then sign free agents when the time is "right"

When are you going to answer on who to execute a proper rebuild? Always critiquing others plan so please share the MJL proper rebuild book.
- hello it's me 2050

The elephant in the room is the fact that the Flyers have drafted poorly for the last 10 years!! Many of Hextall's picks have been failures and Patrick was a bust. This team has no forward depth because they missed on way too many draft picks! I'm not ripping them about Patrick cause he was the #2 pick after Jersey took the other guy. Just ashame the way it worked out cause there were some studs chosen behind him in that draft. That being said, I hope Willman gets the start tonight cause at least he looked noticeable with his speed in the preseason games he played. THIS TEAM NEEDS FASTER FORWARDS!!

The elephant in the room is the fact that the Flyers have drafted poorly for the last 10 years!! Many of Hextall's picks have been failures and Patrick was a bust. This team has no forward depth because they missed on way too many draft picks! I'm not ripping them about Patrick cause he was the #2 pick after Jersey took the other guy. Just ashame the way it worked out cause there were some studs chosen behind him in that draft. That being said, I hope Willman gets the start tonight cause at least he looked noticeable with his speed in the preseason games he played. THIS TEAM NEEDS FASTER FORWARDS!!
- Phillywhiteout

It is completely false to state that the Flyers have drafted poorly for the last 10 years. Hextall added numerous quality players in 5 drafts including Sanheim, Provorov, Konecny, Lindblom, Hart, Farabee as well as the future potential for Allison and Frost who I think are both going to be good players. Stating that the team has no forward depth is also false. When healthy, they have strong forward depth to the point that players like Laughton and Allison could be playing on the 4th line.

Do you really expect an answer? You will get his generic draft and develop. Then sign free agents when the time is "right"
- hello it's me 2050

we've been drafting and developing for years already....... maybe that didnt quite work. The patrick miss really hurt us, even though we won the lottery at the time and didn't deserve #2, it doesn't feel like a win now.

Do you really expect an answer? You will get his generic draft and develop. Then sign free agents when the time is "right"
- hello it's me 2050

I don't expect an answer, he has all the critiques but not many answers. Draft and develop is his answer, which is exactly what we have been doing for years......and here we are.

we've been drafting and developing for years already....... maybe that didnt quite work. The patrick miss really hurt us, even though we won the lottery at the time and didn't deserve #2, it doesn't feel like a win now.
- bradster

Agreed on all points. My view has changed as this has progressed. I was happy with the rebuild as it was needed. We did well in they phase I believe snd the core is solid as long as we get back to 2020 performance and improve.

I’m ok with the moves as we needed to better support the core. I am in no way certain it will work and we’ll make the playoffs in this div but I’m willing to allow the team to play 20 or so games to see where we stand. I am not certain at all that the team is over the poor starts and I think it will take a while to build chemistry.

It is completely false to state that the Flyers have drafted poorly for the last 10 years. Hextall added numerous quality players in 5 drafts including Sanheim, Provorov, Konecny, Lindblom, Hart, Farabee as well as the future potential for Allison and Frost who I think are both going to be good players. Stating that the team has no forward depth is also false. When healthy, they have strong forward depth to the point that players like Laughton and Allison could be playing on the 4th line.
- MJL

I completely disagree with you, but that isn't unusual. How can you say that they have drafted well? None of the players you have mentioned are game changers and many of them are still suspect as to what they are really going to be at the NHL level. Far too many misses at the draft table if you ask me, but by all means stay with your narrative.

Agreed on all points. My view has changed as this has progressed. I was happy with the rebuild as it was needed. We did well in they phase I believe snd the core is solid as long as we get back to 2020 performance and improve.

I’m ok with the moves as we needed to better support the core. I am in no way certain it will work and we’ll make the playoffs in this div but I’m willing to allow the team to play 20 or so games to see where we stand. I am not certain at all that the team is over the poor starts and I think it will take a while to build chemistry.
- Hextall271

the poor starts are infuriating.....hopefully that will be a thing of the past, but i'll believe it when i see it.

It is completely false to state that the Flyers have drafted poorly for the last 10 years. Hextall added numerous quality players in 5 drafts including Sanheim, Provorov, Konecny, Lindblom, Hart, Farabee as well as the future potential for Allison and Frost who I think are both going to be good players. Stating that the team has no forward depth is also false. When healthy, they have strong forward depth to the point that players like Laughton and Allison could be playing on the 4th line.
- MJL

Not a star elite level player in the bunch. Not one top 6 center. He did the same job that the high majority of other NHL do. He did an average job. Drafted some solid players. Nothing more nothing less. His track record outside from the 3-7th round isn't very good so far.

Their forward depth is average at best. No tem fears any forward on this roster. You act like Laughton on the 4th line is so outrageous. What he have 2 or 3 points his last 25+ games last season? Allison, while has potential hasn't proven poop yet. Except that he is always hurt.

the poor starts are infuriating.....hopefully that will be a thing of the past, but i'll believe it when i see it.
- bradster

Me too. I hope I’m wrong but don’t be shocked if we start the season inconsistently and hovering around .500 or below. We’re missing some key pieces and it may take to the new year for the chemistry to build. Key contributors are new and we’ll have to see how it goes. If I see hart being consistently solid, that’s a huge win. Get that team gaa down and we’re on our way.

I don't expect an answer, he has all the critiques but not many answers. Draft and develop is his answer, which is exactly what we have been doing for years......and here we are.
- bradster

The only exception may be the pens just due to trading picks. But they still have home grown players. What team doesn’t draft and develop.

The question I have that others pointed out.

With trading Myers and Patrick. I expect Myers to do well as he is now with Nashville. Imo they are great at developing d men for some reason. But why and how.

If Patrick turns it around there will always be questions to his career with us and our disappointment.

We’re some of these kids over hyped (all included). Is the team missing something in developing. I wouldn’t think so just due to some of our home grown kids. I don’t pay as much attention anymore to all prospects. (All teams).

Happy action or actual change happened this offseason. We will find out in time if it mattered at all.

Not a star elite level player in the bunch. Not one top 6 center. He did the same job that the high majority of other NHL do. He did an average job. Drafted some solid players. Nothing more nothing less. His track record outside from the 3-7th round isn't very good so far.

Their forward depth is average at best. No tem fears any forward on this roster. You act like Laughton on the 4th line is so outrageous. What he have 2 or 3 points his last 25+ games last season? Allison, while has potential hasn't proven poop yet. Except that he is always hurt.
- hello it's me 2050

This is the truth. I'm not here to bash the Flyers and maybe I was a bit harsh in saying that they have drafted poorly, but it's average at best. They have had bad luck with injuries to some of their prospects, but none of the players mentioned are anything special. I'm just a disgruntled fan that happens to think the last 10 years have been the worst in this franchise's history and I'm tired of it. They haven't been a Cup contender in any of those years and they aren't this year. Ok, I'm done.

I completely disagree with you, but that isn't unusual. How can you say that they have drafted well? None of the players you have mentioned are game changers and many of them are still suspect as to what they are really going to be at the NHL level. Far too many misses at the draft table if you ask me, but by all means stay with your narrative.
- Phillywhiteout

Well when you use a vague term like gamechangers.


How can you say they haven't? You aren't offering a single thing here.

Look at the players they added in the Hextall years. That simple really.

It's pretty clear based on your ridiculously weak reply here which is long on rhetoric and short on facts who has the narrative.

Me too. I hope I’m wrong but don’t be shocked if we start the season inconsistently and hovering around .500 or below. We’re missing some key pieces and it may take to the new year for the chemistry to build. Key contributors are new and we’ll have to see how it goes. If I see hart being consistently solid, that’s a huge win. Get that team gaa down and we’re on our way.
- Hextall271

Missing Hayes is a tough blow. Every team would be effected by losing their 2C.

Well when you use a vague term like gamechangers.


How can you say they haven't? You aren't offering a single thing here.

Look at the players they added in the Hextall years. That simple really.

It's pretty clear based on your ridiculously weak reply here which is long on rhetoric and short on facts who has the narrative.
- MJL

Short on facts? Like you come here with lots of facts? Ok, let me splain. None of the players on the list that you mentioned are elite players at the NHL level(guess that's what I mean by game changers). I thought Provorov would be a candidate for the Norris some day, but I seriously have my doubts now. No one else on that list has really proven anything if you're honest. I mean, they all took steps backward last year with the exception of Farabee.

Short on facts? Like you come here with lots of facts? Ok, let me splain. None of the players on the list that you mentioned are elite players at the NHL level(guess that's what I mean by game changers). I thought Provorov would be a candidate for the Norris some day, but I seriously have my doubts now. No one else on that list has really proven anything if you're honest. I mean, they all took steps backward last year with the exception of Farabee.
- Phillywhiteout

Yes, I brought facts. The facts of the players that are quality NHL players that they have drafted lately. What facts did you bring?

Provorov is a legitimate top pairing NHL defenseman. Does he have to be a candidate to win the Norris to be a good draft pick?

This is just one example of how your premise falls short.

The entire team including the veteran players took steps back last year.

we've been drafting and developing for years already....... maybe that didnt quite work. The patrick miss really hurt us, even though we won the lottery at the time and didn't deserve #2, it doesn't feel like a win now.
- bradster

Drafting and developing should always be a priority. That should never stop. The problem with the Flyers is they let the prospect pipeline get as close to empty as possible before putting a renewed focus on it.

The GM is tasked with bringing in the right players to complete the puzzle. I applaud CF for picking a direction and making moves to take the team in that direction. I do not want him to trade multiple draft picks every year but for one season I am ok with it.

I do not think there is a perfect formula for winning. I will say drafting and developing successfully is a great start. Having a balanced team with players slotted appropriately is also important. Just my two cents.

The only exception may be the pens just due to trading picks. But they still have home grown players. What team doesn’t draft and develop.

The question I have that others pointed out.

With trading Myers and Patrick. I expect Myers to do well as he is now with Nashville. Imo they are great at developing d men for some reason. But why and how.

If Patrick turns it around there will always be questions to his career with us and our disappointment.

We’re some of these kids over hyped (all included). Is the team missing something in developing. I wouldn’t think so just due to some of our home grown kids. I don’t pay as much attention anymore to all prospects. (All teams).

Happy action or actual change happened this offseason. We will find out in time if it mattered at all.
- Peter Richards

Definately overhyped. 3-4 years ago people were talking about how Sandheim and Provy were untouchable. TK also, i dont understand all the love. He is a good player but so are others he couldve been traded for, Reinhart, bertuzzi. etc.

Well the fact that the teams ahead of the Flyers in the waiver process would be a strong indicator they didn't wan them no?
- hello it's me 2050

To be fair, only 12 teams before the Flyers.

To be fair, only 12 teams before the Flyers.
- Tomahawk

It's hysterical isn't it?

This is the truth. I'm not here to bash the Flyers and maybe I was a bit harsh in saying that they have drafted poorly, but it's average at best. They have had bad luck with injuries to some of their prospects, but none of the players mentioned are anything special. I'm just a disgruntled fan that happens to think the last 10 years have been the worst in this franchise's history and I'm tired of it. They haven't been a Cup contender in any of those years and they aren't this year. Ok, I'm done.
- Phillywhiteout

There lack of development is also an issue. Obviously they both go hand in hand. Always cracked me up having Gordon in Lehigh running a totally diff system than what the flyers were doing. Gordon was more or less playing to win. Do not think development was his main focus.

This is where I hope, not holding my breath, Ian can help bring some structure.

To be fair, only 12 teams before the Flyers.
- Tomahawk

Those teams were worse off than the flyers to boot!!!