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ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 14 @ 4:15 PM ET
I don’t spend day after day on an online web site looking for someone to bicker with. You must be the other guy.
- SuperSchennBros

Your comments are always so insightful
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 14 @ 4:16 PM ET
understand what you're saying. I feel last year was an outlier just due to the situation. Like McDavid. yes he is amazing...but 105 points in 56 games....are we in the 80's again. That canadian division was terrible. Those guys just feasted. We will see what he does this year, and if he finally breaks 50.
- Peter Richards


He almost hit 50 in just 70 games the prior year, so if he plays 70+ games, I think he'll get there.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Oct 14 @ 4:17 PM ET
Your comments are always so insightful
- ClaudeFather

Why thank you. Must be because I don’t leave 60 plus a day.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 14 @ 4:25 PM ET
He almost hit 50 in just 70 games the prior year, so if he plays 70+ games, I think he'll get there.
- Tomahawk

Part of it is being healthy, can’t be the best if you aren’t on the ice. He seems to miss time somewhat consistently, nothing major but. Zibenajad had a similar season a couple years ago, believe the Covid shortened
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 14 @ 4:34 PM ET
I’m not upset. I don’t know much about MacEwen, along with the person who made original post, which I just made clear. If I’m wrong by evaluation or MJL’s evaluation by all means educate us.
- SuperSchennBros


Nice hands in tight, will go to the net, can score a few greasy goals. Doesn't offer much else than that. Not a great skater. A drag on possession. Not a dependable defensive player, either.

He's a willing fighter but not gonna scare anybody off. Physical but not reckless, dumb and selfish like Carcillo/Rinaldo.

Poor man's Dale Weise.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 14 @ 4:36 PM ET
Nice hands in tight, will go to the net, can score a few greasy goals. Doesn't offer much else than that. Not a great skater. A drag on possession. Not a dependable defensive player, either.

He's a willing fighter but not gonna scare anybody off. Physical but not reckless, dumb and selfish like Carcillo/Rinaldo.

Poor man's Dale Weise.

- Tomahawk

Speaking of dumb, feel like Landeskog is always getting himself into an iffy situation
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 14 @ 4:38 PM ET
Speaking of dumb, feel like Landeskog is always getting himself into an iffy situation
- ClaudeFather


He's got quite a temper for a Swede. That entire shift was something out of Slap Shot.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 14 @ 4:39 PM ET
He's got quite a temper for a Swede. That entire shift was something out of Slap Shot.
- Tomahawk

Haha yea seriously
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 14 @ 4:44 PM ET
Haha yea seriously
- ClaudeFather


Goal, assist and hearing with DPOS. The new Gordie Howe Hat Trick.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 14 @ 4:46 PM ET
Goal, assist and hearing with DPOS. The new Gordie Howe Hat Trick.
- Tomahawk

DOPS just itching to get going and spin the wheel of suspension
BenderRodriguez
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Norristown, PA
Joined: 01.19.2011

Oct 14 @ 5:10 PM ET
Sighting
- mayorofangrytown


X2
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Oct 14 @ 5:15 PM ET
He almost hit 50 in just 70 games the prior year, so if he plays 70+ games, I think he'll get there.
- Tomahawk


Well he’s only played a full 82 once. And surprised someone who always looks at stats is selling an almost. But no worries.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 14 @ 5:53 PM ET
I wouldn't trade Nylander. He's really starting to come into his own. He's capable of hitting an even higher tier of production, and his all-around game is starting to come along.

They're a good team. I really wouldn't mess with too much. If the Flyers had their "problems" I would be over the (frank)ing moon.

- Tomahawk


My god. It’d be nice to have matthews and manner on the team but I’d pass on the rest of that mess. I’d take hart over what they have in goal. I’d take our current d any day of the week and I’m VERY happy we don’t have 40 mil tied up in 4 guys who have yet to get the team out of the first round in the last 5 years. Think about that. It’s half the cap. I’d take our mess any day.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 14 @ 5:57 PM ET
understand what you're saying. I feel last year was an outlier just due to the situation. Like McDavid. yes he is amazing...but 105 points in 56 games....are we in the 80's again. That canadian division was terrible. Those guys just feasted. We will see what he does this year, and if he finally breaks 50.
- Peter Richards


This is a very good point. That division skewed a lot of stats as it was so weak. I am still shocked that the leafs didn’t walk right through that slop snd into the semis. If they can’t win a playoff round in that scenario, I don’t see them ever doing it.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 14 @ 6:14 PM ET
So, the Flyers 2nd line center is a guy that they plucked off the street and their 3rd line center is Laughts(should be a 4th line center). Their 4th line center is another guy that they plucked off the street. Yippppppeeeeeeee......how long has it been that this organization has forwards playing higher up in the lineup than they should be? Seems like forever.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Oct 14 @ 6:42 PM ET
So, the Flyers 2nd line center is a guy that they plucked off the street and their 3rd line center is Laughts(should be a 4th line center). Their 4th line center is another guy that they plucked off the street. Yippppppeeeeeeee......how long has it been that this organization has forwards playing higher up in the lineup than they should be? Seems like forever.
- Phillywhiteout


The group of centers hasn’t been discussed at all yet. I’m glad you brought this up.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 14 @ 6:49 PM ET
So, the Flyers 2nd line center is a guy that they plucked off the street and their 3rd line center is Laughts(should be a 4th line center). Their 4th line center is another guy that they plucked off the street. Yippppppeeeeeeee......how long has it been that this organization has forwards playing higher up in the lineup than they should be? Seems like forever.
- Phillywhiteout


Laughton is too good of a player to be on the 4th line. What's the definition of a guy they plucked off of the street?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 14 @ 6:54 PM ET
My god. It’d be nice to have matthews and manner on the team but I’d pass on the rest of that mess. I’d take hart over what they have in goal. I’d take our current d any day of the week and I’m VERY happy we don’t have 40 mil tied up in 4 guys who have yet to get the team out of the first round in the last 5 years. Think about that. It’s half the cap. I’d take our mess any day.
- Hextall271


Hart, maybe. Although he is still coming off the worst single season performance we've seen here in a long long time.

The gap in the d-corps isn't that big. I really don't see a big discrepancy either way:

Rielly > Prov
Brodie < Ellis
Muzzin = Sanheim
Holl > Risto
Sandin < Yandle
Dermott > Braun


Not really sure that anybody would say the Leafs aren't (a lot) better than the Flyers today.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 14 @ 7:04 PM ET
Hart, maybe. Although he is still coming off the worst single season performance we've seen here in a long long time.

The gap in the d-corps isn't that big. I really don't see a big discrepancy either way:

Rielly > Prov
Brodie < Ellis
Muzzin = Sanheim
Holl > Risto
Sandin < Yandle
Dermott > Braun


Not really sure that anybody would say the Leafs aren't (a lot) better than the Flyers today.

- Tomahawk


Like I’ve said many times, look at harts whole body of work from junior to now. He’s 23 and there will be ups and downs. I’m pretty sure most teams would take him in a heartbeat. Including the leafs.

I don’t see Reilly being better than provy. Muzzin is an aging vet and I’d take sanheim over him looking at age etc. The leafs are not a lot better than the flyers. The flyers have actually won one playoff series in the last few years while the leafs haven’t. Even with last years squad, I’m pretty sure they’d have don’t better than the first round loss in that division of ahl teams. I still can’t believe they lost but they are a team built solely for regular season success.

Ill agree that leafs fans would say that the leafs are better. They believe they are better than pretty much any team but Tampa.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 14 @ 7:08 PM ET
The group of centers hasn’t been discussed at all yet. I’m glad you brought this up.
- Ftown19125




Yeah its good he was here to remind us of all that.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Oct 14 @ 7:12 PM ET
I’m not upset. I don’t know much about MacEwen, along with the person who made the original post, which I just made clear. If I’m wrong by my evaluation or MJL’s evaluation by all means educate us.
- SuperSchennBros


Mjl said he didn’t know much about the guy and quoted bill. Him being Undrafted and playing out west I don’t think many of us know his game.

But with others I don’t mind what I heard so far. And as someone else mentioned the fan base was not happy about it. So gives me a little hope. He did have some good ahl numbers and has improved. Over his last 55 games I think he potted more goals than Nate. And the film I saw he was usually battling in front of the net. Not a heavyweight by definition but will throw with anyone.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 14 @ 7:17 PM ET
Hart, maybe. Although he is still coming off the worst single season performance we've seen here in a long long time.

The gap in the d-corps isn't that big. I really don't see a big discrepancy either way:

Rielly > Prov
Brodie < Ellis
Muzzin = Sanheim
Holl > Risto
Sandin < Yandle
Dermott > Braun


Not really sure that anybody would say the Leafs aren't (a lot) better than the Flyers today.

- Tomahawk


I would disagree that Rielly is better than Provorov.
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

Oct 14 @ 7:21 PM ET
For those that advocate against a true tear down to the studs, to maximize chances at elite level talent infusion.

I am slightly curious as to how long that will hold true?

If they struggle again this season, this process of adding some secondary pieces in FA and drafting 14th needs to come to a quick end. It's not good enough, and the foundation of this team isn't good enough when compared to top NHL clubs.

We are repeating the same trend every season, and at some point one has to look at reality. Hextall's tenure did not gather enough, and/or was not developed properly.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 14 @ 7:25 PM ET
Like I’ve said many times, look at harts whole body of work from junior to now. He’s 23 and there will be ups and downs. I’m pretty sure most teams would take him in a heartbeat. Including the leafs.

I don’t see Reilly being better than provy. Muzzin is an aging vet and I’d take sanheim over him looking at age etc. The leafs are not a lot better than the flyers. The flyers have actually won one playoff series in the last few years while the leafs haven’t. Even with last years squad, I’m pretty sure they’d have don’t better than the first round loss in that division of ahl teams. I still can’t believe they lost but they are a team built solely for regular season success.

Ill agree that leafs fans would say that the leafs are better. They believe they are better than pretty much any team but Tampa.

- Hextall271


Provy is way too inconsistent to pass on Rielly.

And yeah... not sure too many people outside of Philly would say the Flyers are better than the Leafs.
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

Oct 14 @ 7:26 PM ET
Hart, maybe. Although he is still coming off the worst single season performance we've seen here in a long long time.

The gap in the d-corps isn't that big. I really don't see a big discrepancy either way:

Rielly > Prov
Brodie < Ellis
Muzzin = Sanheim
Holl > Risto
Sandin < Yandle
Dermott > Braun


Not really sure that anybody would say the Leafs aren't (a lot) better than the Flyers today.

- Tomahawk


Just because some GM's struggle to do it, doesn't mean all do. The Leafs have struggled to insulate their elite core with a strong secondary cast.

The Flyers have been doubling down on trying to upgrade a secondary cast ignoring that the studs of this foundation are lacking.

It so strange to me, even when we look back at recent times that a fanbase that saw Richards/Carter/Giroux/Briere up front thinks the current crop can get it done. It's nowhere near good enough, and the key figures are where this thing lacks.

To continue this path of hoping to find the appropriate pieces in the middle of the first round is folly. Pride is such a weakness.
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