Arctic_AARDVARK
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Location: Cause y’know we’ll all be found | when I come around, ON Joined: 07.24.2011
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Bunting is a great surprise, but it's 3 games in, and when someone surprises you like that, your excitement can get the better of your, and you overthink/overstate things.
Bunting has been good, but no, Nylander (or Campbell really) has been the best Leaf. And while I would be ecstatic if Bunting keeps it up all year, I think it's highly unlikely.
If anyone deserves criticism right now, it's MArner. But it's 3 games in, so way premature anyway. - prock
You guys don’t factor in his defensive woes, or lack of compete. You’re blinded by his offensive flare which is very impressive.
But he’s the same ole Willy on the other side of the puck. He leaves a lot to be desired.
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prock
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Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON Joined: 08.30.2007
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Willy just straight up doesn’t compete sometimes. He’ll coast to the bench when the play goes up the ice.
Yeah, he’s been in the league for six years, he’s not developing anymore, he is what he is. It’s obvious that Keefe is trying to make him a more complete player, and Willy is saying the right things in the media about wanting to be a better leader etc, but he still does the things that he’s always done.
No one is questioning his offence.
Idk what anyone’s point about Marner is supposed to be. What, you think he sucks? You think he won’t start getting points? What exactly are you trying to say? It’s a team game and Mitch is doing all the little things right, like he always does. - Arctic_AARDVARK
uhh, not really, not the first 3 games he hasn't.
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Garnie
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Location: ON Joined: 11.30.2009
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I do not disagree. Although I'm sure some would have been displeased with the penalty in a close game, I'd have advocated for it all the same. 🤷🏻♂️ - joel878
Ya I know, need to take someone with him…hopefully the guy he tuned up.
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Arctic_AARDVARK
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Location: Cause y’know we’ll all be found | when I come around, ON Joined: 07.24.2011
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Dude, Nylander has easily been the Leafs best player so far and it's not even close. He's lapped the field.
Excluding Campbell, as he's a goalie, but he's also been fantastic so far. - GreatGigInTheSky
Nah.
Watch the last 1:20 of the first game vs OTT. Watch him float to the bench last night in OT. Those are the type of things that cost games. |
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prock
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Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON Joined: 08.30.2007
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You guys don’t factor in his defensive woes, or lack of compete. You’re blinded by his offensive flare which is very impressive.
But he’s the same ole Willy on the other side of the puck. He leaves a lot to be desired. - Arctic_AARDVARK
that must be it Yep, must be. Thanks for enlightening us all.
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GreatGigInTheSky
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Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON Joined: 06.12.2017
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Nylander is #1 so far this season.
Not even close, but I expect MM and AM to start turning it up. - Garnie
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Fakepartofme
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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All this talk about Ritchie when Marner has 1 assist, which is only one more than Ritchie and I think he was sitting on the bench while he got it.....is ridiculous. - Barb34
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TheMussel
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 09.24.2013
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This is what I’m saying, there’s a massive blind spot with the fans. He’s put up some points, but he hasn’t been their best player at all, Bunting has. Matthews and Marner do a lot more. - Arctic_AARDVARK
the irony |
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Fakepartofme
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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Nylander is #1 so far this season.
Not even close, but I expect MM and AM to start turning it up. - Garnie
In 4 games I would say Campbell and then Wilster for sure.
But Matthews hasnt been in the line up. |
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senstroll
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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Willy just straight up doesn’t compete sometimes. He’ll coast to the bench when the play goes up the ice.
Yeah, he’s been in the league for six years, he’s not developing anymore, he is what he is. It’s obvious that Keefe is trying to make him a more complete player, and Willy is saying the right things in the media about wanting to be a better leader etc, but he still does the things that he’s always done.
No one is questioning his offence.
Idk what anyone’s point about Marner is supposed to be. What, you think he sucks? You think he won’t start getting points? What exactly are you trying to say? It’s a team game and Mitch is doing all the little things right, like he always does. - Arctic_AARDVARK
its wild you make the blind spot comment and then post this
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GreatGigInTheSky
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Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON Joined: 06.12.2017
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Nah.
Watch the last 1:20 of the first game vs OTT. Watch him float to the bench last night in OT. Those are the type of things that cost games. - Arctic_AARDVARK
I suggest you pay more attention to Marner, then. 'Cause so far in this young season, a lot of your complaints about Nylander, factor more for Marner. |
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Arctic_AARDVARK
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Location: Cause y’know we’ll all be found | when I come around, ON Joined: 07.24.2011
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that must be it Yep, must be. Thanks for enlightening us all. - prock
You’re welcome.
Bunting has been better. Averages 5 fewer minutes a game w/o pp time, more hits, same +/-, fewer PIMs.
And fwiw Campbell has been their best player by a country mile. |
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Fakepartofme
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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uhh, not really, not the first 3 games he hasn't. - prock
Ya, he's made some good plays for sure so far.
But only one point in 4 games. No biggie, stars have ups and downs.
He'll turn it on.
And if not.....then we've got problems |
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Arctic_AARDVARK
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Location: Cause y’know we’ll all be found | when I come around, ON Joined: 07.24.2011
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I suggest you pay more attention to Marner, then. 'Cause so far in this young season, a lot of your complaints about Nylander, factor more for Marner. - GreatGigInTheSky
So you’re not going to go re-watch the ending of that game? It was gutless. |
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prock
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Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON Joined: 08.30.2007
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I suggest you pay more attention to Marner, then. 'Cause so far in this young season, a lot of your complaints about Nylander, factor more for Marner. - GreatGigInTheSky
Marner is obviously awesome. Top 3 or 4 winger in the game.
But he's just been bad to start the season. |
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Barb34
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Joined: 07.29.2017
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Willy just straight up doesn’t compete sometimes. He’ll coast to the bench when the play goes up the ice.
Yeah, he’s been in the league for six years, he’s not developing anymore, he is what he is. It’s obvious that Keefe is trying to make him a more complete player, and Willy is saying the right things in the media about wanting to be a better leader etc, but he still does the things that he’s always done.
No one is questioning his offence.
Idk what anyone’s point about Marner is supposed to be. What, you think he sucks? You think he won’t start getting points? What exactly are you trying to say? It’s a team game and Mitch is doing all the little things right, like he always does. - Arctic_AARDVARK
For you to say this on the back of what you say about Willie is very telling.
You're straight up wrong about Willie. Period. It's an obvious hate for a certain player regardless...I get it, I do it with Marner and Engvall. I did it with Gardner and Marincin. We all do it. But some admit it.
PS, I watched Engvall, Marner and few others slow skate back to the bench last night. They all do it at times but you are apparently only watching one player do it.
I admit my hatred for Marner and Engvall isn't warranted at times. And realize their value in the line up. But I have to direct my anger and dry sense of humor some where when the Leafs lose. You do it with Willie but don't ever admit to doing it which makes it even more ridiculous.
Just sayin AA....you've been off on this one for a long time. |
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prock
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Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON Joined: 08.30.2007
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Ya, he's made some good plays for sure so far.
But only one point in 4 games. No biggie, stars have ups and downs.
He'll turn it on.
And if not.....then we've got problems - Fakepartofme
Oh, I have no doubt he'll score 90 plus points this year, but its a slow start to be sure. He's just looked a little lost out there. |
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prock
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Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON Joined: 08.30.2007
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For you to say this on the back of what you say about Willie is very telling.
You're straight up wrong about Willie. Period. It's an obvious hate for a certain player regardless...I get it, I do it with Marner and Engvall. I did it with Gardner and Marincin. We all do it. But some admit it.
PS, I watched Engvall, Marner and few others slow skate back to the bench last night. They all do it at times but you are apparently only watching one player do it.
I admit my hatred for Marner and Engvall isn't warranted at times. And realize their value in the line up. But I have to direct my anger and dry sense of humor some where when the Leafs lose. You do it with Willie but don't ever admit to doing it which makes it even more ridiculous.
Just sayin AA....you've been off on this one for a long time. - Barb34
once their replacement has left the bench, almost every player coasts in and hops over.
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Fakepartofme
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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Oh, I have no doubt he'll score 90 plus points this year, but its a slow start to be sure. He's just looked a little lost out there. - prock
It is a slow start for him....seems to be trying to do different things, he needs to get back to his game. |
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GreatGigInTheSky
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Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON Joined: 06.12.2017
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So you’re not going to go re-watch the ending of that game? It was gutless. - Arctic_AARDVARK
I watched it live. I saw what happened.
I won't and don't hide Nylanders faults and mistakes, like you are doing with Marners. |
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Arctic_AARDVARK
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Location: Cause y’know we’ll all be found | when I come around, ON Joined: 07.24.2011
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Marner is obviously awesome. Top 3 or 4 winger in the game.
But he's just been bad to start the season. - prock
He’s played well. The points will come.
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Barb34
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Joined: 07.29.2017
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Bunting is a great surprise, but it's 3 games in, and when someone surprises you like that, your excitement can get the better of your, and you overthink/overstate things.
Bunting has been good, but no, Nylander (or Campbell really) has been the best Leaf. And while I would be ecstatic if Bunting keeps it up all year, I think it's highly unlikely.
If anyone deserves criticism right now, it's MArner. But it's 3 games in, so way premature anyway. - prock
For Bunting it will be consistency.
For Ritchie it will be finding the patterns in AM and MM's cycle and finding his groove with them. It will take a few more games but once he gets it, I think we're all going to be loving it.
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GreatGigInTheSky
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Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON Joined: 06.12.2017
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Marner is obviously awesome. Top 3 or 4 winger in the game.
But he's just been bad to start the season. - prock
Absolutely. I fully expect Marner to get his poop together and start playing like the player he can be. |
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Barb34
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once their replacement has left the bench, almost every player coasts in and hops over. - prock
yep |
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Arctic_AARDVARK
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Location: Cause y’know we’ll all be found | when I come around, ON Joined: 07.24.2011
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I watched it live. I saw what happened.
I won't and don't hide Nylanders faults and mistakes, like you are doing with Marners. - GreatGigInTheSky
Marner doesn’t pull poop like that.
Those are the types of things that cost games. |
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