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Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Cause y’know we’ll all be found | when I come around, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Oct 19 @ 12:47 PM ET
Bunting is a great surprise, but it's 3 games in, and when someone surprises you like that, your excitement can get the better of your, and you overthink/overstate things.

Bunting has been good, but no, Nylander (or Campbell really) has been the best Leaf. And while I would be ecstatic if Bunting keeps it up all year, I think it's highly unlikely.

If anyone deserves criticism right now, it's MArner. But it's 3 games in, so way premature anyway.

- prock

You guys don’t factor in his defensive woes, or lack of compete. You’re blinded by his offensive flare which is very impressive.

But he’s the same ole Willy on the other side of the puck. He leaves a lot to be desired.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 19 @ 12:47 PM ET
Willy just straight up doesn’t compete sometimes. He’ll coast to the bench when the play goes up the ice.

Yeah, he’s been in the league for six years, he’s not developing anymore, he is what he is. It’s obvious that Keefe is trying to make him a more complete player, and Willy is saying the right things in the media about wanting to be a better leader etc, but he still does the things that he’s always done.

No one is questioning his offence.

Idk what anyone’s point about Marner is supposed to be. What, you think he sucks? You think he won’t start getting points? What exactly are you trying to say? It’s a team game and Mitch is doing all the little things right, like he always does.

- Arctic_AARDVARK


uhh, not really, not the first 3 games he hasn't.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Oct 19 @ 12:48 PM ET
I do not disagree. Although I'm sure some would have been displeased with the penalty in a close game, I'd have advocated for it all the same. 🤷🏻‍♂️
- joel878



Ya I know, need to take someone with him…hopefully the guy he tuned up.

Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Cause y’know we’ll all be found | when I come around, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Oct 19 @ 12:49 PM ET
Dude, Nylander has easily been the Leafs best player so far and it's not even close. He's lapped the field.

Excluding Campbell, as he's a goalie, but he's also been fantastic so far.

- GreatGigInTheSky

Nah.

Watch the last 1:20 of the first game vs OTT. Watch him float to the bench last night in OT. Those are the type of things that cost games.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 19 @ 12:49 PM ET
You guys don’t factor in his defensive woes, or lack of compete. You’re blinded by his offensive flare which is very impressive.

But he’s the same ole Willy on the other side of the puck. He leaves a lot to be desired.

- Arctic_AARDVARK


that must be it Yep, must be. Thanks for enlightening us all.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Oct 19 @ 12:49 PM ET
Nylander is #1 so far this season.


Not even close, but I expect MM and AM to start turning it up.

- Garnie


Agreed
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Oct 19 @ 12:51 PM ET
All this talk about Ritchie when Marner has 1 assist, which is only one more than Ritchie and I think he was sitting on the bench while he got it.....is ridiculous.
- Barb34

Grrrrrr
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Oct 19 @ 12:52 PM ET
This is what I’m saying, there’s a massive blind spot with the fans. He’s put up some points, but he hasn’t been their best player at all, Bunting has. Matthews and Marner do a lot more.
- Arctic_AARDVARK




the irony
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Oct 19 @ 12:53 PM ET
Nylander is #1 so far this season.


Not even close, but I expect MM and AM to start turning it up.

- Garnie

In 4 games I would say Campbell and then Wilster for sure.
But Matthews hasnt been in the line up.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 19 @ 12:53 PM ET
Willy just straight up doesn’t compete sometimes. He’ll coast to the bench when the play goes up the ice.

Yeah, he’s been in the league for six years, he’s not developing anymore, he is what he is. It’s obvious that Keefe is trying to make him a more complete player, and Willy is saying the right things in the media about wanting to be a better leader etc, but he still does the things that he’s always done.

No one is questioning his offence.

Idk what anyone’s point about Marner is supposed to be. What, you think he sucks? You think he won’t start getting points? What exactly are you trying to say? It’s a team game and Mitch is doing all the little things right, like he always does.

- Arctic_AARDVARK


its wild you make the blind spot comment and then post this
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Oct 19 @ 12:53 PM ET
Nah.

Watch the last 1:20 of the first game vs OTT. Watch him float to the bench last night in OT. Those are the type of things that cost games.

- Arctic_AARDVARK


I suggest you pay more attention to Marner, then. 'Cause so far in this young season, a lot of your complaints about Nylander, factor more for Marner.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Cause y’know we’ll all be found | when I come around, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Oct 19 @ 12:54 PM ET
that must be it Yep, must be. Thanks for enlightening us all.
- prock

You’re welcome.

Bunting has been better. Averages 5 fewer minutes a game w/o pp time, more hits, same +/-, fewer PIMs.

And fwiw Campbell has been their best player by a country mile.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Oct 19 @ 12:54 PM ET
uhh, not really, not the first 3 games he hasn't.
- prock

Ya, he's made some good plays for sure so far.
But only one point in 4 games. No biggie, stars have ups and downs.
He'll turn it on.

And if not.....then we've got problems
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Cause y’know we’ll all be found | when I come around, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Oct 19 @ 12:55 PM ET
I suggest you pay more attention to Marner, then. 'Cause so far in this young season, a lot of your complaints about Nylander, factor more for Marner.
- GreatGigInTheSky

So you’re not going to go re-watch the ending of that game? It was gutless.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 19 @ 12:56 PM ET
I suggest you pay more attention to Marner, then. 'Cause so far in this young season, a lot of your complaints about Nylander, factor more for Marner.
- GreatGigInTheSky



Marner is obviously awesome. Top 3 or 4 winger in the game.

But he's just been bad to start the season.
Barb34
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.29.2017

Oct 19 @ 12:57 PM ET
Willy just straight up doesn’t compete sometimes. He’ll coast to the bench when the play goes up the ice.

Yeah, he’s been in the league for six years, he’s not developing anymore, he is what he is. It’s obvious that Keefe is trying to make him a more complete player, and Willy is saying the right things in the media about wanting to be a better leader etc, but he still does the things that he’s always done.

No one is questioning his offence.

Idk what anyone’s point about Marner is supposed to be. What, you think he sucks? You think he won’t start getting points? What exactly are you trying to say? It’s a team game and Mitch is doing all the little things right, like he always does.

- Arctic_AARDVARK


For you to say this on the back of what you say about Willie is very telling.

You're straight up wrong about Willie. Period. It's an obvious hate for a certain player regardless...I get it, I do it with Marner and Engvall. I did it with Gardner and Marincin. We all do it. But some admit it.

PS, I watched Engvall, Marner and few others slow skate back to the bench last night. They all do it at times but you are apparently only watching one player do it.

I admit my hatred for Marner and Engvall isn't warranted at times. And realize their value in the line up. But I have to direct my anger and dry sense of humor some where when the Leafs lose. You do it with Willie but don't ever admit to doing it which makes it even more ridiculous.

Just sayin AA....you've been off on this one for a long time.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 19 @ 12:57 PM ET
Ya, he's made some good plays for sure so far.
But only one point in 4 games. No biggie, stars have ups and downs.
He'll turn it on.

And if not.....then we've got problems

- Fakepartofme



Oh, I have no doubt he'll score 90 plus points this year, but its a slow start to be sure. He's just looked a little lost out there.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 19 @ 12:58 PM ET
For you to say this on the back of what you say about Willie is very telling.

You're straight up wrong about Willie. Period. It's an obvious hate for a certain player regardless...I get it, I do it with Marner and Engvall. I did it with Gardner and Marincin. We all do it. But some admit it.

PS, I watched Engvall, Marner and few others slow skate back to the bench last night. They all do it at times but you are apparently only watching one player do it.

I admit my hatred for Marner and Engvall isn't warranted at times. And realize their value in the line up. But I have to direct my anger and dry sense of humor some where when the Leafs lose. You do it with Willie but don't ever admit to doing it which makes it even more ridiculous.

Just sayin AA....you've been off on this one for a long time.

- Barb34


once their replacement has left the bench, almost every player coasts in and hops over.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Oct 19 @ 12:59 PM ET
Oh, I have no doubt he'll score 90 plus points this year, but its a slow start to be sure. He's just looked a little lost out there.
- prock

It is a slow start for him....seems to be trying to do different things, he needs to get back to his game.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Oct 19 @ 12:59 PM ET
So you’re not going to go re-watch the ending of that game? It was gutless.
- Arctic_AARDVARK


I watched it live. I saw what happened.

I won't and don't hide Nylanders faults and mistakes, like you are doing with Marners.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Cause y’know we’ll all be found | when I come around, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Oct 19 @ 1:00 PM ET
Marner is obviously awesome. Top 3 or 4 winger in the game.

But he's just been bad to start the season.

- prock

He’s played well. The points will come.

Barb34
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.29.2017

Oct 19 @ 1:00 PM ET
Bunting is a great surprise, but it's 3 games in, and when someone surprises you like that, your excitement can get the better of your, and you overthink/overstate things.

Bunting has been good, but no, Nylander (or Campbell really) has been the best Leaf. And while I would be ecstatic if Bunting keeps it up all year, I think it's highly unlikely.

If anyone deserves criticism right now, it's MArner. But it's 3 games in, so way premature anyway.

- prock

For Bunting it will be consistency.

For Ritchie it will be finding the patterns in AM and MM's cycle and finding his groove with them. It will take a few more games but once he gets it, I think we're all going to be loving it.

GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Oct 19 @ 1:01 PM ET
Marner is obviously awesome. Top 3 or 4 winger in the game.

But he's just been bad to start the season.

- prock


Absolutely. I fully expect Marner to get his poop together and start playing like the player he can be.
Barb34
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.29.2017

Oct 19 @ 1:01 PM ET
once their replacement has left the bench, almost every player coasts in and hops over.
- prock

yep
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Cause y’know we’ll all be found | when I come around, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Oct 19 @ 1:01 PM ET
I watched it live. I saw what happened.

I won't and don't hide Nylanders faults and mistakes, like you are doing with Marners.

- GreatGigInTheSky

Marner doesn’t pull poop like that.

Those are the types of things that cost games.
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