I don't think they did that with Q, either. The timing caught us by surprise, as many of us had expected it to happen at season's end.
- 333inthe3rd

Right, the Q firing was kind of out of the blue. They were about .500 then.

Was thinking more of a long losing streak, you get the vote of confidence and then the firing soon after.

Still waiting for the official "vote of confidence" that starts the one week firing clock.

Team: "We stand behind (the coach/manager) 1000%"

One week later:

Team: "We've decided to go another direction. Thanks to (coach/manager) for all his hard work...."
- totem

Listening to Marek and Friedman’s podcast, they’re talking about potential replacements being Babcock, Boudreau, Tortorella, Tocchet, Julien, Montgomery, Quinn.

They also mentioned the great Brian Burke anecdote of ‘I didn’t think about firing my coach until the crowd starting chanting FIRE XYZ’. I’m going Wednesday and I’m more than happy to start a Fire Colliton chant, despite how trashy that is. What else can we do to get through to management? Ticket reps aren’t listening, Bowman is MIA, what else can we do?

Up till this year, I was a JC supporter. Now, I am 60/40 to fire him. If they are 0-13-1 (actually a legitimate possibility), and JC is still coach, I may take the rest of the year off.
- tvetter

Seems like a pretty fair approach to me.

I'm okay if they keep him, and okay if they let him go. If they keep him, management has to tell the players and the public that he's staying. Otherwise the circus will get even more out of hand.

For me there are two big areas of concern with the team. Few forwards play defense, and JC either doesn't care or can't get them to do so. And it may be that he has lost the team. I can't tell from the outside if that is the case, but JC must go if that's the case (even if it not his fault).

Listening to Marek and Friedman’s podcast, they’re talking about potential replacements being Babcock, Boudreau, Tortorella, Tocchet, Julien, Montgomery, Quinn.

They also mentioned the great Brian Burke anecdote of ‘I didn’t think about firing my coach until the crowd starting chanting FIRE XYZ’. I’m going Wednesday and I’m more than happy to start a Fire Colliton chant, despite how trashy that is. What else can we do to get through to management? Ticket reps aren’t listening, Bowman is MIA, what else can we do?
- ObeseOprah

Ticket reps aren't listening? They can listen all they want, they have absolutely zero voice in anything to do with the Hockey side. Talking to them has probably less effect than airing your displeasure on this or other boards.

Listening to Marek and Friedman’s podcast, they’re talking about potential replacements being Babcock, Boudreau, Tortorella, Tocchet, Julien, Montgomery, Quinn.

They also mentioned the great Brian Burke anecdote of ‘I didn’t think about firing my coach until the crowd starting chanting FIRE XYZ’. I’m going Wednesday and I’m more than happy to start a Fire Colliton chant, despite how trashy that is. What else can we do to get through to management? Ticket reps aren’t listening, Bowman is MIA, what else can we do?
- ObeseOprah

Some of those guys will be mean to the players, and then nobody will want to play for the Hawks ever again.

Listening to Marek and Friedman’s podcast, they’re talking about potential replacements being Babcock, Boudreau, Tortorella, Tocchet, Julien, Montgomery, Quinn.

They also mentioned the great Brian Burke anecdote of ‘I didn’t think about firing my coach until the crowd starting chanting FIRE XYZ’. I’m going Wednesday and I’m more than happy to start a Fire Colliton chant, despite how trashy that is. What else can we do to get through to management? Ticket reps aren’t listening, Bowman is MIA, what else can we do?
- ObeseOprah

No, No, No, No, No, borderline-Maybe, Maybe

Hardman is off concussion protocol.

Some of those guys will be mean to the players, and then nobody will want to play for the Hawks ever again.
- mohel

If only we had access to the coach who every year was voted as ‘coach I would most like to play for’. :/

Or we can promote Crawford, who’s mean AND not great. Although if he employs any actual coaching he’ll look like Mike Sullivan five years ago. 6 games in a row is bad but still less than 110% of the year, if they cut off the infected limb and start playing decently the season could be salvaged.

I remember when that all happened. Bob Verdi, Steve Rosenbloom or someone did a blurb in the Trib.

They could have signed both Hull and Gilmour but went for only one and I believe at the time said they were signing one or the other. Could be wrong about that.

On the day they signed Dougie, Wirtz's stock in First Chicago had a paper gain of $39mil which could have covered both their salary and term.

I've read before that Pully didn't want Brett in a Hawk uni with the idea that it would bring Bobby around the UC more.
- HawkintheD

Pully wasn't crazy about Bobby, but he absolutely hated Mikita and the feeling was mutual. Ron Caron, GM of the Blues at the time, knew Hull was leaving and told him to avoid Chicago. At the time I thought if you can't get both, don't sign either one.

A lot of factors went into that team never being able to repeat. McMahon's injury was a reason, so was Buddy Ryan leaving for a HC position. Injuries to key defensive guys like Leslie Frazier, and guys being slowed by age and injury, and the biggest reason was probably Ditka becoming Ditka. His dedication to his persona and endorsements took precedence over his coaching.

Disagree on Flutie, never much of an NFL QB.
- TheTrob

Marshall leaving too didn't help.

I beg to differ.

Tell me which stats are from who.....no cheating and looking them up.
G Att Comp Pct YDS TD Int RTG
92 2151 1177 54.72 14715 86 68 76.3

177 3918 2305 58.83 26288 129 117 77.6

185 2337 1248 53.4 16079 88 106 68.9
- TheTrob

Don't really care about the stats I think Flutie would have been a winner with that defense. If you're looking at stats, Vince Tobin was better than Buddy Ryan.

Marshall leaving too didn't help.
- HawkintheD

Ditka hated Gault leaving he opened things up Ditka said he "warped" the field.

Wasn't Murphy's Jfresh stats purdy last year?
- LAHawk

Great question.......

ALso, can we address why DeHaan didn't just fire the puck around the boards on that ill fated negated icing instead of rushing a back hander that resulted in a turnover, and a 1on 1 for Detroit against Fleury=goal? I haven't seen a wider angle to know if another Wings player was/could have gotten it but......

Seems like a pretty fair approach to me.

I'm okay if they keep him, and okay if they let him go. If they keep him, management has to tell the players and the public that he's staying. Otherwise the circus will get even more out of hand.

For me there are two big areas of concern with the team. Few forwards play defense, and JC either doesn't care or can't get them to do so. And it may be that he has lost the team. I can't tell from the outside if that is the case, but JC must go if that's the case (even if it not his fault).
- mohel

Keep saying it but if anyone trusts the blue check marks and trusts their "sources" both Freidmann and Powers have people saying JC is fine unless it "gets really bad"....so this day to day assumption of him being terminated needs to end. Regardless of the national media openly questioning it.....As somehow else posted blogs ago, removal of JC puts the blame SOLELY on Bowman moving forward, and that's assuming upper management will allow Bowman to fire JC....

To your point, I think it's a combination of JC, lack of player leadership, and new players in that room. I don't know/care what the splits are but I would hope professional athletes would have some pride at some point and raise their games.....

Johnson at least scored a goal off want, and then tried to mix it up at the end of the period when Hawks were again flat.....seems each guy has a different breaking point and until they all finally snap and say "enough" i don't see this crap ending...regardless of bag skates, battle drills, delayed zoom/post game conferences because "team leaders" are holding meetings.....all talk until results show otherwise.

Marshall leaving too didn't help.
- HawkintheD

biggest loss on the team, they could of let anyone else go, and it wouldn't have hurt as much.

Absolute beast that doesn't get the credit he deserved.

Don't really care about the stats I think Flutie would have been a winner with that defense. If you're looking at stats, Vince Tobin was better than Buddy Ryan.
- rpeters01

Depends on what stats you are looking at. Bears were a +18 in turnover ratio in '85. They were only +6 in '86 and -11 in '87.

Right, the Q firing was kind of out of the blue. They were about .500 then.

Was thinking more of a long losing streak, you get the vote of confidence and then the firing soon after.
- totem

And I have yet to see any rumors that they are talking to coaching candidates to step in when that time comes. If they do make the change soon, my guess is they will hire a familiar name in house. Someone like Eddie Olczyk, Hossa, or Sharp. Not that I agree with that route, but it would be my first guess.

Keep saying it but if anyone trusts the blue check marks and trusts their "sources" both Freidmann and Powers have people saying JC is fine unless it "gets really bad"....so this day to day assumption of him being terminated needs to end. Regardless of the national media openly questioning it.....As somehow else posted blogs ago, removal of JC puts the blame SOLELY on Bowman moving forward, and that's assuming upper management will allow Bowman to fire JC....

To your point, I think it's a combination of JC, lack of player leadership, and new players in that room. I don't know/care what the splits are but I would hope professional athletes would have some pride at some point and raise their games.....

Johnson at least scored a goal off want, and then tried to mix it up at the end of the period when Hawks were again flat.....seems each guy has a different breaking point and until they all finally snap and say "enough" i don't see this crap ending...regardless of bag skates, battle drills, delayed zoom/post game conferences because "team leaders" are holding meetings.....all talk until results show otherwise.
- SteveRain

Not sure what there is to raise. I still lean towards this being about 70-30 on the coaching staff and system. Sure, there are mistakes made, but you are never going to completely eliminate them, even with the best players. A lot has to do with what kind of mistakes, where they are being made and how do they respond. Honestly speaking, I think that the effort is there from most of the players, give or take a couple. This is less a product of skill and effort than something else.

What stands out to me is that on both ends of the ice the Hawks seem to be playing down a man. In the D zone there is so much chasing it is ridiculous. If they are truly playing a man-on-man with the D following guys way too high in the zone, why does it always seem like any pass to the weak side has no Hawk player close? Where is the high forward? Why are they constantly trying to close the gap from so far away. Same in the offensive zone, why when they are doubled down low or on the boards does there never seem to be an open man, when clearly there should be.

Depends on what stats you are looking at. Bears were a +18 in turnover ratio in '85. They were only +6 in '86 and -11 in '87.
- TheTrob

If you take away from the domination in January of 1986....."Bears Weather" is the biggest joke in Chicago sports history.

Playoff results

Redskins at home in 87=loss
Redskins at home in 88=loss
San Fran at home in 89=Loss
Cowboys at home in 91=loss
Eagles at home in 02=loss
Panthers at home in 06=loss
Packers at home in 11=Loss
Eagles at home in 19=Loss

Sprinkle in wins vs Eagles on 12/31/88, Saints in 91, seahawks and saints in 07 and the historically bad 7-9 Saints in 11 and you get

5-8

Anyone who says "bear weather" is a fool.

And I have yet to see any rumors that they are talking to coaching candidates to step in when that time comes. If they do make the change soon, my guess is they will hire a familiar name in house. Someone like Eddie Olczyk, Hossa, or Sharp. Not that I agree with that route, but it would be my first guess.
- 333inthe3rd

Why would any one of these names want to jump behind the bench of the Titanic?

Keith has an opportunity to win a 4th Cup

Oilers are for real.

Not sure what there is to raise. I still lean towards this being about 70-30 on the coaching staff and system. Sure, there are mistakes made, but you are never going to completely eliminate them, even with the best players. A lot has to do with what kind of mistakes, where they are being made and how do they respond. Honestly speaking, I think that the effort is there from most of the players, give or take a couple. This is less a product of skill and effort than something else.

What stands out to me is that on both ends of the ice the Hawks seem to be playing down a man. In the D zone there is so much chasing it is ridiculous. If they are truly playing a man-on-man with the D following guys way too high in the zone, why does it always seem like any pass to the weak side has no Hawk player close? Where is the high forward? Why are they constantly trying to close the gap from so far away. Same in the offensive zone, why when they are doubled down low or on the boards does there never seem to be an open man, when clearly there should be.
- TheTrob

Outside of Johnson goal...I have rarely seen them win a 50/50 battle most of the year. Starts there...win the battle, win the war. Each guy has to commit but too many are losing those right off the bat before we even talk about system/structure.

Not to mention moronic plays by veterans who should KNOW better but again....zero accountability. Strome offensive zone penalty should have led to at least missing a shift....same with DeHaan's idiotic turnover last night.

I am more upset with JC's unwillingness to hold this team accountable like Nagy, and assuming the relaxed "friend" approach will break this trend....meanwhile each night they find a new way to implode....either at the beginning of games, half way or to start a 3rd period. That's a pattern...and yes JC is too blame, but this group of players is getting far too easy with their half ass efforts....

Jones on that goal, think it was 5, let the guy get position on him below and he tapped it in.....crap like that.....just moronic.

Keith has an opportunity to win a 4th Cup

Oilers are for real.
- Colbyboy

They started off hot last year.....still seem like a 1 line team to me, and do they have goaltending and defense to beat Vegas or Colorado in a best of 7?

Listening to Marek and Friedman’s podcast, they’re talking about potential replacements being Babcock, Boudreau, Tortorella, Tocchet, Julien, Montgomery, Quinn.

They also mentioned the great Brian Burke anecdote of ‘I didn’t think about firing my coach until the crowd starting chanting FIRE XYZ’. I’m going Wednesday and I’m more than happy to start a Fire Colliton chant, despite how trashy that is. What else can we do to get through to management? Ticket reps aren’t listening, Bowman is MIA, what else can we do?
- ObeseOprah

make a Hugh poster sign saying rocky and Danny get your heads out of your asses and fire bowman and colinton already!!

And I have yet to see any rumors that they are talking to coaching candidates to step in when that time comes. If they do make the change soon, my guess is they will hire a familiar name in house. Someone like Eddie Olczyk, Hossa, or Sharp. Not that I agree with that route, but it would be my first guess.
- 333inthe3rd

I would guess King taking the interim title for 10 games or so while they decide who to hire permanently.