I think part of it is anticipation of a guy like Frost, thinking he’d be ready at some point, you sign an insurance policy with a guy like Brass. I also think these moves were geared toward being a top team in the metro, time will tell. The team is playing decent, definitely some things to clean up but I like what I’m seeing from Hart outside of the 1 period in Vancouver.
- ClaudeFather

Lots of hockey to be played. Some good things going on and some bad things. It can turn on a dime. They play in an incredibly competitive division. They could have a solid season and miss the playoffs.

is it lack of luck or incompetence on the flyers end? Or both?
- hello it's me 2050

Probably a bit of both. If you think about the Nolan Patrick pick as an example, there was no real consensus among Hextall and his scouts so Hextall picked what he thought would be be a great center. Now maybe Makar or Heiskanen would have been better choices, but no one could project at the time that Patrick would be a complete bust! At a minimum you thought he would at least be as good as Hishier or Pettersson, but alas it did not work out. In this case there was clearly bad luck involved here in terms of a serious head injury.

No it started before that. They signed Hayes to a long term 7 year deal two seasons ago. Traded for Justin Braun. Whenever I read that it was just one off season I wonder if any thought is given to the future? If the Flyers fall short this season, what is going to be their response? Are they just going to stand pat or are they going to continue to be aggressive. What if they're in a playoff race this season? Are they going to trade more future assets at the deadline if they can? Move out more young players with impatience? I agree that Fletcher had to make moves but not strictly for hockey reasons. He was forced by upper management and mandated. Is that going to end after one off season? Such tunnel vision to think it's only one off season.
- MJL

Signing Hayes was a result of Nolan Patrick's situation. Signing Braun was to get some veteran depth at defense for short money, he was not a major signing. To what I highlighted, it really depends on how the season goes. If the Flyers have a good year and project players like York, Zamula, Frost and Foerster will be ready to make the jump next season, I expect Fletcher to focus on resigning G and RR versus looking for more big trades or FA signings. However if the season falls flat and these younger players don't work out, he is probably going to have to respond accordingly.

I also disagree that they wouldn't have been able to sign Couturier and Farabee to the same deals. That's absurd. Farabee was offered 5M a year after one 20 goal season. He's going to pass that up? To do what? Hold out? LOL. Couturier is a Flyer and wants to be a Flyers his whole career.
- MJL

Both players said when interviewed by Jason Myrtetus on his podcast, that the moves CF made this off season pointed to more urgency in the front office to win and that this heavily influenced their decision to commit to the Flyers. Both players would have had other options.

Maybe but again, have to make projections and look at the move they made. The Flyers are a cap team and will be again next year. You're assuming that the Flyers can move JVR without taking money back. You're also assuming that Giroux is going to take a cheap deal.
- MJL

G is going to take a team-friendly deal because he wants to stay in this area, his family is rooted here, and the franchise is clearly demonstrating more urgency to win. What that looks like is of course uncertain, but given his age and depending how this season goes for him, I can see somewhere in the $5-5.5M per range for 3 years. If G wants over $6M, I let him walk to Ottawa. Based on what happened this offseason, I can see JVR being moved with very little cap back, maybe adding a pick or prospect to sweeten the deal. If JVR scores 25+ goals this year, it will be easy.

So Frost, Foerster, Tuomaala, York, Zamula and Allison aren't potential main pieces? How about a player they draft first overall in the upcoming draft? Last season was an anomaly.
- MJL

So far, no, none are main pieces until they actually demonstrate that at the NHL level. Out of tis group, York has the highest potential IMO to be a top 4 D and maybe better.

Incorrect. With JVR, the Flyers are projected to have 13M of cap space. Needing to re-sign Giroux, Ristolainen and a backup goalie. Also have to decide about Braun and Yandle.
- MJL

I am typically pretty good with math so here it goes.

UFAs
G: 8.25M
Brassard: .825M
Thompson: .8M
RR: 5.4M
Braun: 1.8M
Yandle: .9M
Jones: 2M

Total: $20M
-JVR: $27M

Best case scenario, Frost in for Brassard, York and Zamula in for Yandle and Braun, and pick a young goalie in our system to backup Hart who by then will ahve 3 years under his belt. Resign G and RR on team-friendly deals and you have tons of cap space left over.

Worst case scenario: No young players are ready, Hart falters and G and RR play hardball, thus prompting another wild off season by CF.

what part of zero head coaching experience was misleading holmes?

No it doesn't qualify him if he was bad or incompetent at his job. How long did he last in the development role? Why was he taken out of it? What exactly was his role?

He has been moved around as an assistant. Never promoted to top assistant. Even demoted. Yep it was a great hire.
- hello it's me 2050

It’s been explained to you repeatedly today what his qualifications were. Every coach finds their way to their first head coaching job and Lappy has worked his way up through the ranks and now is in the minor leagues as a head coach. It’s very simple. Nobody is saying he’s awesome or we’re proud of him. It’s just a very dense person like yourself is having trouble Comprehending why he’s in the position that he’s in, even when it’s been basically explained.

Now if you were smart, you’d realize that him being a head coach for the Phantoms could very well be a good thing. This could be his last kick at the can at a major position and if he fails, he gets ushered out of the organization.

I am typically pretty good with math so here it goes.

UFAs
G: 8.25M
Brassard: .825M
Thompson: .8M
RR: 5.4M
Braun: 1.8M
Yandle: .9M
Jones: 2M

Total: $20M
-JVR: $27M

Best case scenario, Frost in for Brassard, York and Zamula in for Yandle and Braun, and pick a young goalie in our system to backup Hart who by then will ahve 3 years under his belt. Resign G and RR on team-friendly deals and you have tons of cap space left over.

Worst case scenario: No young players are ready, Hart falters and G and RR play hardball, thus prompting another wild off season by CF.
- jd250

Farabee and Coots got extensions that kick in. That's the part of the equation you're missing.

Season Opening Injured Reserve.
- MBFlyerfan

Is that a thing? I combed several websites looking for an asterisk type entry next to Allison's name, found nothing. It was not noted in the HockeyBuzz cap central roster. Also did a Google search, again nothing. I watch tons of sports, many years, never heard of it before.
We're going to have to agree to disagree on Lindblom and your assessment of mismatched roles on that 3rd line. I coached for many years, and one of the things expected from players is that they adjust their roles to those which they're teamed with. It is a reasonable request to make of players, as we are not robots.
I've watched all of the games and the number of times Lindblom has been mentioned as part of the play-by-play is very infrequent. He is not getting to many plays regardless of the role he thinks he is. I should note I don't think this is a serious problem at this stage of the season or with his own development post recovery, but if it doesn't change after a certain amount of time, will have to be addressed somehow.

It’s been explained to you repeatedly today what his qualifications were. Every coach finds their way to their first head coaching job and Lappy has worked his way up through the ranks and now is in the minor leagues as a head coach. It’s very simple. Nobody is saying he’s awesome or we’re proud of him. It’s just a very dense person like yourself is having trouble Comprehending why he’s in the position that he’s in, even when it’s been basically explained.

Now if you were smart, you’d realize that him being a head coach for the Phantoms could very well be a good thing. This could be his last kick at the can at a major position and if he fails, he gets ushered out of the organization.
- SuperSchennBros

I think what we would all like to see is the Flyers move more toward promoting guys who've paid their dues and have had a track record of success as a head coach at other levels. Like Cassidy, Cooper, Keefe, Bednar, DeBoer, Gallant, Trotz, etc before they were bumped up.

With that said, there are some pretty successful guys who were basically fast-tracked w/o much experience: Quenneville, Mike Sullivan, Craig Berube, etc.

So it's not like there's a single best path. It's up to the individual and circumstances.

I think most of us have a hard time understanding the org's fascination with Lappy. He obviously has a lot of rapport with players and management, but beyond that, his resume is a bit dubious.

Is that a thing? I combed several websites looking for an asterisk type entry next to Allison's name, found nothing. It was not noted in the HockeyBuzz cap central roster. Also did a Google search, again nothing. I watch tons of sports, many years, never heard of it before.
- BluehorseShoe64

Per CapFriendly:

What is the season opening injured reserve (SOIR)?
If a player who is on a two-way contract becomes disabled during training-camp or who reports to training-camp disabled as the result of a hockey related injury incurred during the off-season, they can be placed on season-opening injured reserve, to possibly obtain cap relief. It is notable that the SOIR equations are not the same as the daily rate equations in CBA 15.6, which is instead used to calculate the players daily salary (as opposed to cap hit).



Basically if a two-way guy played less than 50 NHL games the previous season, the team can get either partial or complete cap-savings while they're hurt w/o having to eat into LTIR/lose bankable cap space.

What are laperrieres qualifications for ruining an AHL team?
- Just5

FTFY

It’s been explained to you repeatedly today what his qualifications were. Every coach finds their way to their first head coaching job and Lappy has worked his way up through the ranks and now is in the minor leagues as a head coach. It’s very simple. Nobody is saying he’s awesome or we’re proud of him. It’s just a very dense person like yourself is having trouble Comprehending why he’s in the position that he’s in, even when it’s been basically explained.

Now if you were smart, you’d realize that him being a head coach for the Phantoms could very well be a good thing. This could be his last kick at the can at a major position and if he fails, he gets ushered out of the organization.
- SuperSchennBros

His qualifications suck and are very underwhelming. Him being the phantoms head coach is not a good thing seeing he is a failed assistant. Ushered out should have been done already.

I hope he is a complete and utter failure. Its what this organization deserves.

You calling me dense is funny holmes.

Per CapFriendly:

What is the season opening injured reserve (SOIR)?
If a player who is on a two-way contract becomes disabled during training-camp or who reports to training-camp disabled as the result of a hockey related injury incurred during the off-season, they can be placed on season-opening injured reserve, to possibly obtain cap relief. It is notable that the SOIR equations are not the same as the daily rate equations in CBA 15.6, which is instead used to calculate the players daily salary (as opposed to cap hit).



Basically if a two-way guy played less than 50 NHL games the previous season, the team can get either partial or complete cap-savings while they're hurt w/o having to eat into LTIR/lose bankable cap space.
- Tomahawk

Thank you for the info.

The point of my first post is that Farabee got promoted to the 2nd line, Patrick was moved and Allison is unavailable due to the injury, creating a backfill situation for the 3rd line. No wonder it has been pieced together.

I am typically pretty good with math so here it goes.

UFAs
G: 8.25M
Brassard: .825M
Thompson: .8M
RR: 5.4M
Braun: 1.8M
Yandle: .9M
Jones: 2M

Total: $20M
-JVR: $27M

Best case scenario, Frost in for Brassard, York and Zamula in for Yandle and Braun, and pick a young goalie in our system to backup Hart who by then will ahve 3 years under his belt. Resign G and RR on team-friendly deals and you have tons of cap space left over.

Worst case scenario: No young players are ready, Hart falters and G and RR play hardball, thus prompting another wild off season by CF.
- jd250

No way G gets even in the neighborhood of 8.25

I predict 5.25-6 at best.

Signing Hayes was a result of Nolan Patrick's situation. Signing Braun was to get some veteran depth at defense for short money, he was not a major signing. To what I highlighted, it really depends on how the season goes. If the Flyers have a good year and project players like York, Zamula, Frost and Foerster will be ready to make the jump next season, I expect Fletcher to focus on resigning G and RR versus looking for more big trades or FA signings. However if the season falls flat and these younger players don't work out, he is probably going to have to respond accordingly.


- jd250

This is another situation where you don't have your facts straight. Hayes was acquired and signed in June of 2019. Nolan Patrick had played back to back 70+ game seasons and did not start having his issues yet.
Braun was not signed. He was traded for with the Flyers giving up a 2nd and 3rd round pick for him. Let me guess, semantics right?
Fletcher felt the heat after relying on young players previously.

Both players said when interviewed by Jason Myrtetus on his podcast, that the moves CF made this off season pointed to more urgency in the front office to win and that this heavily influenced their decision to commit to the Flyers. Both players would have had other options.
- jd250

They had other options when they signed. It's speculation on your part and really doesn't add up at all. As if Farabee would've turned down a 6 year 5M a year deal if Fletcher hadn't made the moves he did.

I am typically pretty good with math so here it goes.

UFAs
G: 8.25M
Brassard: .825M
Thompson: .8M
RR: 5.4M
Braun: 1.8M
Yandle: .9M
Jones: 2M

Total: $20M
-JVR: $27M

Best case scenario, Frost in for Brassard, York and Zamula in for Yandle and Braun, and pick a young goalie in our system to backup Hart who by then will ahve 3 years under his belt. Resign G and RR on team-friendly deals and you have tons of cap space left over.

Worst case scenario: No young players are ready, Hart falters and G and RR play hardball, thus prompting another wild off season by CF.
- jd250

Maybe with math but not with the cap. Try going to cap friendly. They do all the work for you!

G is going to take a team-friendly deal because he wants to stay in this area, his family is rooted here, and the franchise is clearly demonstrating more urgency to win. What that looks like is of course uncertain, but given his age and depending how this season goes for him, I can see somewhere in the $5-5.5M per range for 3 years. If G wants over $6M, I let him walk to Ottawa. Based on what happened this offseason, I can see JVR being moved with very little cap back, maybe adding a pick or prospect to sweeten the deal. If JVR scores 25+ goals this year, it will be easy.
- jd250

6M for Giroux and 6M for Ristolainen. That's 12M of the 13M right there. Sure maybe they can move JVR without taking cap back but at what cost? They had to give up a 2nd and a 7th to move Gostisbehere. Hey, what's another 2nd round pick. Then you and others can complain that the Flyers don't hit on picks after the first round.

I think what we would all like to see is the Flyers move more toward promoting guys who've paid their dues and have had a track record of success as a head coach at other levels. Like Cassidy, Cooper, Keefe, Bednar, DeBoer, Gallant, Trotz, etc before they were bumped up.

With that said, there are some pretty successful guys who were basically fast-tracked w/o much experience: Quenneville, Mike Sullivan, Craig Berube, etc.

So it's not like there's a single best path. It's up to the individual and circumstances.

I think most of us have a hard time understanding the org's fascination with Lappy. He obviously has a lot of rapport with players and management, but beyond that, his resume is a bit dubious.
- Tomahawk

100%...well said in regards to Lappy

100%...well said in regards to Lappy
- Flyerfan2868

Coaching is results oriented. So any criticism of the results with a coach is fair and valid criticism. I just don't buy that they hired him and continue to employ him because he played for the Flyers and took a puck to the face.

As a kid, I met Tim Kerr at Marconi Plaza during a Mummer's parade one New Years in the 80s. He was with his family, but still was gracious enough to be kind and friendly with me and a bunch of my friends. He was all smiles and genuinely seemed to enjoy talking to us. Hockey players have always just been a different breed when it comes to the fans. Some day I'll mention how nice Jason Werth and Pat Burrell were when I met them with my 1 year old son in my arms

This is another situation where you don't have your facts straight. Hayes was acquired and signed in June of 2019. Nolan Patrick had played back to back 70+ game seasons and did not start having his issues yet.
Braun was not signed. He was traded for with the Flyers giving up a 2nd and 3rd round pick for him. Let me guess, semantics right?
Fletcher felt the heat after relying on young players previously.



They had other options when they signed. It's speculation on your part and really doesn't add up at all. As if Farabee would've turned down a 6 year 5M a year deal if Fletcher hadn't made the moves he did.

- MJL

they knew patrick wasnt going to play, and thats why they signed hayes

No way G gets even in the neighborhood of 8.25

I predict 5.25-6 at best.
- MBFlyerfan

I think he was subtracting G’s current cap hit

I foresee a 6ish deal for him somewhere. probably here? Maybe not.

Any idea who could replace NAK in the lineup? Or just hope he gets better?
- therabbi

The Zamboni driver, his name is Lefty and has a wicked wrister for a 1 armed dude

they knew patrick wasnt going to play, and thats why they signed hayes
- bradster

with hindsight, thats the way I see it