Huh?
I make a comment about paying a decent defenseman around 3 million and you ramble on about someone making 6 million and another player providing total contributions.
- Reubenkincade

Your criticism of Hughes is that he “can’t play defense”, which I disagree with. I’m saying he gets paid what he does because of the total contribution, which is greater than what Whitecloud provides.

I used Myers, a guy you like for his defense, as a comparison because he is literally the worst defender in the history of the NHL.

I used Hamonic as an example because he makes a similar amount, and nobody criticized his contract because it’s short term. Both Vantel and I agreed we liked the player, I just thought it was a lot to commit to a 4-5-6 guy, not necessarily in $ but more so in the length of the deal. Maybe he gets better, plays more and provides more and the deal is a bargain.

Sorry if you couldn’t put 2 and 2 together, I thought you knew everything.

Your criticism of Hughes is that he “can’t play defense”, which I disagree with. I’m saying he gets paid what he does because of the total contribution, which is greater than what Whitecloud provides.

I used Myers, a guy you like for his defense, as a comparison because he is literally the worst defender in the history of the NHL.

I used Hamonic as an example because he makes a similar amount, and nobody criticized his contract because it’s short term. Both Vantel and I agreed we liked the player, I just thought it was a lot to commit to a 4-5-6 guy, not necessarily in $ but more so in the length of the deal. Maybe he gets better, plays more and provides more and the deal is a bargain.

Sorry if you couldn’t put 2 and 2 together, I thought you knew everything.
- 1970vintage

The problem is, his 'total contribution' happens to just be points when you'd like him to be able to be more well-rounded (like a much younger, much more dynamic OEL) that you can put out there in the last 10 minutes of the game triple shifting to protect a one goal lead with the knowledge that if you get scored on, it won't be because he turned over the puck in the neutral zone or offensive zone and give up a scoring chance the other way.

My only problem with his deal is that even if he scores like Bobby Orr, if he's playing defense like he's one of the Washington Generals of basketball fame, then the deal isn't worth it. 6 years at almost 8 mil is far too much when you factor in that other players that got similar deals were much more established and/or had far better defensive metrics/abilities than QH does. Reuby and I are likely of the same opinion that had he signed a bridge for say 2 years at 5 mil and then improved significantly on his defense or the team converted him to be a top 6 winger, then sure, give him the deal he got now or more.

Your criticism of Hughes is that he “can’t play defense”, which I disagree with. I’m saying he gets paid what he does because of the total contribution, which is greater than what Whitecloud provides.

I used Myers, a guy you like for his defense, as a comparison because he is literally the worst defender in the history of the NHL.

I used Hamonic as an example because he makes a similar amount, and nobody criticized his contract because it’s short term. Both Vantel and I agreed we liked the player, I just thought it was a lot to commit to a 4-5-6 guy, not necessarily in $ but more so in the length of the deal. Maybe he gets better, plays more and provides more and the deal is a bargain.

Sorry if you couldn’t put 2 and 2 together, I thought you knew everything.
- 1970vintage

I thought he was really good tonight.

I thought he was really good tonight.
- Load Management

He was at fault for the first goal. Horrible pinch. He was ok the rest of the night though I thought.

He was at fault for the first goal. Horrible pinch. He was ok the rest of the night though I thought.
- Codes1087

That was on the winger. Poor read.

That was on the winger. Poor read.
- Load Management

It's funny that after having depth at forward for the first time in ages, the off season concerns were mainly focused on the back end, especially with Hamonic out, questions about OEL and QH's struggles last year.

The D have been fine overall imo.
It's the lack of input from Pettersson and Boeser in particular, but the top 6 overall (outside of Horvat) that has been killing us.

The lines have been juggled in every iteration imagined by Nighthawk and others.

Time to start crossing fingers that the IR cavalry will be the fix...

It's funny that after having depth at forward for the first time in ages, the off season concerns were mainly focused on the back end, especially with Hamonic out, questions about OEL and QH's struggles last year.

The D have been fine overall imo.
It's the lack of input from Pettersson and Boeser in particular, but the top 6 overall (outside of Horvat) that has been killing us.

The lines have been juggled in every iteration imagined by Nighthawk and others.

Time to start crossing fingers that the IR cavalry will be the fix...
- dbot

Fancy stats image from the Province about expected goals. Horvat leading the way, Boeser probably just a bit unlucky, but Petey is not good at all.

Getting a center back from IR will help, but the overall play of the team is still not good enough. Let's hope a new coach will be the fix...

Fancy stats image from the Province about expected goals. Horvat leading the way, Boeser probably just a bit unlucky, but Petey is not good at all.

Getting a center back from IR will help, but the overall play of the team is still not good enough. Let's hope a new coach will be the fix...
- NewYorkNuck

I can't read those fancy stats, (brings back traumatic memories of studying stats at SFU...shudder...), but yeah, it backs up what the eye test shows.

I'm actually ok with the overall team play, just feels like our top line is MIA.

As for Green being replaced...I'm not there yet myself.

Who would you want to see him replaced with?

Henrik for coach.
Daniel as GM.

I can't read those fancy stats, (brings back traumatic memories of studying stats at SFU...shudder...), but yeah, it backs up what the eye test shows.

I'm actually ok with the overall team play, just feels like our top line is MIA.

As for Green being replaced...I'm not there yet myself.

Who would you want to see him replaced with?

Henrik for coach.
Daniel as GM.


- dbot

I wonder what Shaw's impact has been so far – the team is better defensively (at least not giving up as many glaring odd man rushes), but has it come at a cost of some offense? Or is it just players not performing up front that's the main drop? Probably more the latter.

As for replacements, I don't have one person to champion. I posted this link the other day with available coaches/GMs, seems like there are some good candidates both inside and outside the box: https://www.espn.com/nhl/...didates-nhl-coach-gm-jobs

That pp is a joke. Relies on one play JTM leaving the zone coming back in and running straight into a defender where he either drop passes or to quinn or pounds one into some shin pads. Other than that, it’s just cross ice passes to guys standing still. The odd time it makes it through, guy is in no better scoring opportunity.
- Sayros

That's M on my list.

Brannstrom available? I think it’s solid pickup, read before you come at me
https://thehockeywriters....ackets-predators-canucks/

Moral victory.
- Marwood

Rewind back to the preseason when career AHLer's who were inevitably going to be sent down were still eating up spots on lines that needed a realistic combination to create chemistry.... but Green keeps forgetting which league he is in.

- boonerbuck

It's at a point now where it's getting embarrassing. Garland up and down the lines as is Pettersson. Pearson should be on the third line FFS. Keep Hogs and Garland with Bo and the lotto line together. Let them play out of it FFS. Pods is more than capable to handle 3-4 line minutes. Richardinson out sucks yes but injuries are going to happen. Good teams play around them. No reason this roster should be below .500 at this point. I hope FA is looking at Greens lines and being out-coached almost every game. Fu*ck FA could do a better job behind the bench. I sued to be in Greens corner but it's becoming clear he can't handle an NHL roster.

It's early in the season, I'll wait awhile longer before panicking.
- Nucker101

trouble.

lol

It's funny that after having depth at forward for the first time in ages, the off season concerns were mainly focused on the back end, especially with Hamonic out, questions about OEL and QH's struggles last year.

The D have been fine overall imo.
It's the lack of input from Pettersson and Boeser in particular, but the top 6 overall (outside of Horvat) that has been killing us.

The lines have been juggled in every iteration imagined by Nighthawk and others.

Time to start crossing fingers that the IR cavalry will be the fix...
- dbot

Boeser has been mis-used by Green since returning.

The problem is, his 'total contribution' happens to just be points when you'd like him to be able to be more well-rounded (like a much younger, much more dynamic OEL) that you can put out there in the last 10 minutes of the game triple shifting to protect a one goal lead with the knowledge that if you get scored on, it won't be because he turned over the puck in the neutral zone or offensive zone and give up a scoring chance the other way.

My only problem with his deal is that even if he scores like Bobby Orr, if he's playing defense like he's one of the Washington Generals of basketball fame, then the deal isn't worth it. 6 years at almost 8 mil is far too much when you factor in that other players that got similar deals were much more established and/or had far better defensive metrics/abilities than QH does. Reuby and I are likely of the same opinion that had he signed a bridge for say 2 years at 5 mil and then improved significantly on his defense or the team converted him to be a top 6 winger, then sure, give him the deal he got now or more.
- DariusKnight

Hughes has been much better defensively so far this season than last. Kid is an all star defender.

I can't read those fancy stats, (brings back traumatic memories of studying stats at SFU...shudder...), but yeah, it backs up what the eye test shows.

I'm actually ok with the overall team play, just feels like our top line is MIA.

As for Green being replaced...I'm not there yet myself.

Who would you want to see him replaced with?

Henrik for coach.
Daniel as GM.


- dbot

Careful what you wish for. That may happen sooner than later...

Green was only re-signed a couple of months ago. JB firing him this quickly is unlikely as that would only intensify the pressure on JB and he knows it.

If JB fires Green, there'll be an interim coach and JB knows he'll be replaced at the end of the season.

The only hope is that it is an extended period of learning how to play with the new roster and new coaching system. Noone needs to tell us though that even with all the changes, a lot of the time the play looks the same which points to behind the bench.

I thought he was really good tonight.
- Load Management

It was obvious hyperbole, and a generalization. Sometimes he’s OK.

I actually quite liked Hughes and OEL together. I don’t care about sides.

The problem is, his 'total contribution' happens to just be points when you'd like him to be able to be more well-rounded (like a much younger, much more dynamic OEL) that you can put out there in the last 10 minutes of the game triple shifting to protect a one goal lead with the knowledge that if you get scored on, it won't be because he turned over the puck in the neutral zone or offensive zone and give up a scoring chance the other way.

My only problem with his deal is that even if he scores like Bobby Orr, if he's playing defense like he's one of the Washington Generals of basketball fame, then the deal isn't worth it. 6 years at almost 8 mil is far too much when you factor in that other players that got similar deals were much more established and/or had far better defensive metrics/abilities than QH does. Reuby and I are likely of the same opinion that had he signed a bridge for say 2 years at 5 mil and then improved significantly on his defense or the team converted him to be a top 6 winger, then sure, give him the deal he got now or more.
- DariusKnight

I disagree with pretty much everything here. His defensive game is much better then you give him credit. I’m not saying I love how much he earned on the deal, as a fan you always want players to get less, so that there is more to get better players. I’m just stoked that finally the organization is *mostly* paying it’s best players the most and have the support guys getting fair deals that could be easily moved if someone (like Podkolzin) comes in and earns a job.

I wonder what Shaw's impact has been so far – the team is better defensively (at least not giving up as many glaring odd man rushes), but has it come at a cost of some offense? Or is it just players not performing up front that's the main drop? Probably more the latter.

As for replacements, I don't have one person to champion. I posted this link the other day with available coaches/GMs, seems like there are some good candidates both inside and outside the box: https://www.espn.com/nhl/...didates-nhl-coach-gm-jobs
- NewYorkNuck

It’s probably a little of both. If you adjust your system to be less aggressive then naturally the number of chances you give up should drop, which they have, but you should also see a reduction in the number of chances for as well, which I think we’ve seen.

But the top offensive players, especially Pettersson haven’t been good enough early on.

Wasn't me proclaiming Oilers to the Stanley Cup final. Just pointing out my observation from the last game.
I don't do Calgary anymore, too many Albertans, we get enough here in K Town.
- K-man25

You and I young man are going to have a talk after school...

Careful what you wish for. That may happen sooner than later...


- LordHumungous

Alumni works well for organizations when they are placed in positions of power/influence.

Ask the Oilers...

8 games in and have played 1 playoff team from last season.

(Not sure if Wild made playoffs.)

8 games in and have played 1 playoff team from last season.

(Not sure if Wild made playoffs.)
- Reubenkincade

I think Wild took Vegas to 7 games last season (1st round)