Yesterday, Terry Crisp announced his retirement from the Preds broadcast crew. I imagine the Flames might want to do a highlight thank you video during the game and he obliged them by making the announcement before he comes to the Saddledome for the last time. Might be a good dose of Cup winning nostalgia for older Flames fans. We'll see.

Yesterday, Terry Crisp announced his retirement from the Preds broadcast crew. I imagine the Flames might want to do a highlight thank you video during the game and he obliged them by making the announcement before he comes to the Saddledome for the last time. Might be a good dose of Cup winning nostalgia for older Flames fans. We'll see.

- itwasin

Even he doesn't want to be associated any more. announced his step away when it's too late to do much.

They may have to make Lucic disappear after this year. After July 1, he's only owed $1million. He shouldn't be hard to move to a team with cap space.
- tincup

Only to be paid 1M for the year, and still has his NMC while costing 5M on the cap . His NMC is still in effect. he was willing to waive it for the Seattle draft...no word if he completely waived it. Do you think he is willing to waive for a Buffalo or Arizona?

LMAO, you really need to do some homework...

Johnny and Chucky will cost around $20M. Lindholm is still here, so I'm not sure what you're even talking about...

the 3 defensemen you're talking about include Zadorov (overpaid), Gudbranson (cheap) and Stone/Kylington. We have Mackey signed for next year already, so he takes one of those spots and you have to fill 2 others with the other $9M.

The 4th line can be/should be super cheap anyways. Excuse me for not getting worried that we can't find another Pitlick/Ritchie/Lewis out there for a minimum deal IF our kids don't take those spots.
- rmull905

Flames have 52+M committed to next year. No Johnny, no Tkachuk, no mangiapane, and only 3 dmen. cap expected to be about the same. you expect them to fill about 10 holes for 30M in that time easily.... OK.

----Lindholm(4.85)----
--- Backlund(5.35) - Coleman (4.9)
Dube (2.73) - Monahan(6.375)- lucic(5.0)
--- - ---- - ---
Hanafin (4.95) - Tanev (4.5)
valimaki (1.55) - ---
--- - ---

So you will need 3 top 6 forwards, 2 top 4 d and a bottom 6 d. plus the extras just to fill your roster. But ok, easy to do with about 30M to do. Johnny won't want a raise. Nor Mangiapane. And Matthew will just take his qualifying offer until it's time to move on. None of them will want raises. Then include the bottom 6 and bottom 3 defensemen...should be easy to fill ? spots with just 30M.

Flames have 52+M committed to next year. No Johnny, no Tkachuk, no mangiapane, and only 3 dmen. cap expected to be about the same. you expect them to fill about 10 holes for 30M in that time easily.... OK.

----Lindholm(4.85)----
--- Backlund(5.35) - Coleman (4.9)
Dube (2.73) - Monahan(6.375)- lucic(5.0)
--- - ---- - ---
Hanafin (4.95) - Tanev (4.5)
valimaki (1.55) - ---
--- - ---

So you will need 3 top 6 forwards, 2 top 4 d and a bottom 6 d. plus the extras just to fill your roster. But ok, easy to do with about 30M to do. Johnny won't want a raise. Nor Mangiapane. Ant Matthew will just take his qualifying offer until it's Tim to move None of them will want raises. Then include the bottom 6 and bottom 3 defensemen...should be easy to fill 9 spots with just 30M.
- wreckage

Next you are gonna say someone will give up prime assets for Monny or Backlund. Decent players, but not worth prime assets unless you sucker Chiarelli. Lucic has a no trade clause so some work to be done there.

Next...????

most is a stretch...
I just miss the sheer moronic comments come from the old gang. Pure comedic relief.
- geta02it

Well you do still have Kman and Marky...

Next you are gonna say someone will give up prime assets for Monny or Backlund. Decent players, but not worth prime assets unless you sucker Chiarelli. Lucic has a no trade clause so some work to be done there.

Next...????
- wreckage

You're very passionate.

Well you do still have Kman and Marky...


- LordHumungous

Shal we discuss the fine group on your thread?

Flames have 52+M committed to next year. No Johnny, no Tkachuk, no mangiapane, and only 3 dmen. cap expected to be about the same. you expect them to fill about 10 holes for 30M in that time easily.... OK.

----Lindholm(4.85)----
--- Backlund(5.35) - Coleman (4.9)
Dube (2.73) - Monahan(6.375)- lucic(5.0)
--- - ---- - ---
Hanafin (4.95) - Tanev (4.5)
valimaki (1.55) - ---
--- - ---

So you will need 3 top 6 forwards, 2 top 4 d and a bottom 6 d. plus the extras just to fill your roster. But ok, easy to do with about 30M to do. Johnny won't want a raise. Nor Mangiapane. And Matthew will just take his qualifying offer until it's time to move on. None of them will want raises. Then include the bottom 6 and bottom 3 defensemen...should be easy to fill ? spots with just 30M.
- wreckage

Here you go. You missed Andersson BTW,

Gaudreau (10) Lindholm(4.85) Tkachuk (10)
Mangiapane (4.5) Backlund(5.35) - Coleman (4.9)
Dube (2.73) - Monahan(6.375)- lucic(5.0)
Pelletier Ruzicka Ritchie/Lewis/League Min PLUG (combined $2.9M)

Hanafin (4.95) - Tanev (4.5)
valimaki (1.55) Andersson (4.5)
Kylington (1.25) Stone/Mackey (.9)

Marsktrom (6)
Vladar (.75)

= 81M leaving .5M in cap space next year. I basically split the $20M between Johnny and Chucky evenly. If Johnny goes to free agency, I don't see the Flames bringing him back, so this is really contingent on his deal getting done this season and setting the internal cap for Tkachuk's deal - which has to be qualified at $9M, but he's not getting Matthews/McDavid money at this point, so he'll likely settle on a bridge to get him to the next cap opening.

All of the guys you mentioned get raises (except maybe Chucky, we'll see how that plays out) and you fill out your roster with lower dollar deals like any decent team has to do...

Next you are gonna say someone will give up prime assets for Monny or Backlund. Decent players, but not worth prime assets unless you sucker Chiarelli. Lucic has a no trade clause so some work to be done there.

Next...????
- wreckage

Never said anything of the sorts. You can get something for any or all of those guys though... even if it's just cap space (ex. Lucic and a 2nd for a 4th or something like that) if you really had to divest yourself of an asset. Not suggesting we're moving Monahan for McJesus.

Shal we discuss the fine group on your thread?


- geta02it

lol nah 90% are all brainwashed vaxxers waiting for that 3rd 4th 5th 6th dose...

Well you do still have Kman and Marky...


- LordHumungous

You mean player of the week Marky? Shouldn't you be polishing McDavids Chrome?

You mean player of the week Marky? Shouldn't you be polishing McDavids Chrome?
- K-man25

Marky got some Vezina votes his last season with the Canucks. Placed 4th.

Marky got some Vezina votes his last season with the Canucks. Placed 4th.
- Load Management

Not expecting a Vez, just happy he's playing lights out right now. Good to see the NHL recognize him for allowing 1 goal in 4 games and that was a 5-1 win over your visiting Rangers.

Here you go. You missed Andersson BTW,

Gaudreau (10) Lindholm(4.85) Tkachuk (10)
Mangiapane (4.5) Backlund(5.35) - Coleman (4.9)
Dube (2.73) - Monahan(6.375)- lucic(5.0)
Pelletier Ruzicka Ritchie/Lewis/League Min PLUG (combined $2.9M)

Hanafin (4.95) - Tanev (4.5)
valimaki (1.55) Andersson (4.5)
Kylington (1.25) Stone/Mackey (.9)

Marsktrom (6)
Vladar (.75)

= 81M leaving .5M in cap space next year. I basically split the $20M between Johnny and Chucky evenly. If Johnny goes to free agency, I don't see the Flames bringing him back, so this is really contingent on his deal getting done this season and setting the internal cap for Tkachuk's deal - which has to be qualified at $9M, but he's not getting Matthews/McDavid money at this point, so he'll likely settle on a bridge to get him to the next cap opening.

All of the guys you mentioned get raises (except maybe Chucky, we'll see how that plays out) and you fill out your roster with lower dollar deals like any decent team has to do...
- rmull905

If it takes 20 million to keep Gaudreau and Tkachuk, it’s time to move on. Neither of them is worth more than 8. Don’t forget that Gaudreau will be 29 when his next contract starts. If the Flames are willing to give him 8 more years, they can probably keep his cap hit under 8. It’s the same reason Marchand is so underpaid right now and why the Nuge is only making just over 5.

quote=Squeaky]If it takes 20 million to keep Gaudreau and Tkachuk, it’s time to move on. Neither of them is worth more than 8. Don’t forget that Gaudreau will be 29 when his next contract starts. If the Flames are willing to give him 8 more years, they can probably keep his cap hit under 8. It’s the same reason Marchand is so underpaid right now and why the Nuge is only making just over 5.

Tkachuk should be given a contract similar to Brady a little over 8 M per year, if he is expecting 10 M per then hell no.

If it takes 20 million to keep Gaudreau and Tkachuk, it’s time to move on. Neither of them is worth more than 8. Don’t forget that Gaudreau will be 29 when his next contract starts. If the Flames are willing to give him 8 more years, they can probably keep his cap hit under 8. It’s the same reason Marchand is so underpaid right now and why the Nuge is only making just over 5.
- Squeaky

Gaudreau wants to be in Philly. No chance he remains a Flame.

Tkachuk should be given a contract similar to Brady a little over 8 M per year, if he is expecting 10 M per then hell no.
- FlamesFan1230

Tkachuk is going to be a problem. I don't think he's worth what Brady got, but if they gave it to him, I'd be fine with it. He won't sign that contact though. He's not going to take less than 9 million since he can just take 9 next year and become a UFA. I also worry that his career is following the same trajectory as Phaneuf's. Still a great player, but overrated and overpaid for his entire career because of a couple of amazing early years that he could never match. Tkachuk widely exceeded expectations for his first three years. The past few years have looked more like what he was expected to be when he was drafted.

That's why they should trade him for Eichel.

Tkachuk is going to be a problem. I don't think he's worth what Brady got, but if they gave it to him, I'd be fine with it. He won't sign that contact though. He's not going to take less than 9 million since he can just take 9 next year and become a UFA. I also worry that his career is following the same trajectory as Phaneuf's. Still a great player, but overrated and overpaid for his entire career because of a couple of amazing early years that he could never match. Tkachuk widely exceeded expectations for his first three years. The past few years have looked more like what he was expected to be when he was drafted.

That's why they should trade him for Eichel.
- Squeaky

I think Tkachuk is a great player, around Brady numbers seems fair to me- but I've heard Keith is not a fan of Sutter and I fear he may walk at UFA. At least the team is playing awesome now so maybe he will want to stay- but I agree- i think I'd be cool with him in a deal for Eichel. Would much prefer monny, valimaki, zary and a pick though.

Flames gonna make it 7 tonight?! 🔥🔥🤘🍻

If it takes 20 million to keep Gaudreau and Tkachuk, it’s time to move on. Neither of them is worth more than 8. Don’t forget that Gaudreau will be 29 when his next contract starts. If the Flames are willing to give him 8 more years, they can probably keep his cap hit under 8. It’s the same reason Marchand is so underpaid right now and why the Nuge is only making just over 5.
- Squeaky

Well, if you're thinking Tkachuk comes out of the negotiation this offseason making less than he is today, I'd say you're nuts. If I'm his agent, I'd say you meet the qualifying minimum as AAV or he'll play on a 1 year QO and negotiate again after next season when there's less cap pressure on the Flames.

With you on the term thing, but we also know that term is a killer. Marchand's deal was signed the year before Tavares signed his $11M AAV deal. Landscapes change, so that bit of context is important too and UFA's have all the leverage even in a flat cap world.

Tkachuk is going to be a problem. I don't think he's worth what Brady got, but if they gave it to him, I'd be fine with it. He won't sign that contact though. He's not going to take less than 9 million since he can just take 9 next year and become a UFA. I also worry that his career is following the same trajectory as Phaneuf's. Still a great player, but overrated and overpaid for his entire career because of a couple of amazing early years that he could never match. Tkachuk widely exceeded expectations for his first three years. The past few years have looked more like what he was expected to be when he was drafted.

That's why they should trade him for Eichel.
- Squeaky

Huh? I mean, yeah, year 3 was his best year, but his last 2 seasons have outpaced his first 2 in terms of points per game. He's still absolutely reliable defensively and doesn't generally rely on the power play to drive his production...Tkachuk has never had a robust set of physical skills, but he's smart on the ice, plays on the edge and is arguably better than Brady in most facets of the game. He's outproduced him at any rate and it's not even close at this point.

I think last year was tough following the player's only meeting, but you're looking at a top 10% point producer who doesn't play 1st line minutes generally speaking.

Well, if you're thinking Tkachuk comes out of the negotiation this offseason making less than he is today, I'd say you're nuts. If I'm his agent, I'd say you meet the qualifying minimum as AAV or he'll play on a 1 year QO and negotiate again after next season when there's less cap pressure on the Flames.

With you on the term thing, but we also know that term is a killer. Marchand's deal was signed the year before Tavares signed his $11M AAV deal. Landscapes change, so that bit of context is important too and UFA's have all the leverage even in a flat cap world.
- rmull905

Like I said, that's why you trade Tkachuk. He's not taking less than 9 million, and he's not worth 9 million. The Marchand deal has nothing to do with Tavares. It has to do with the fact that he was 29 when he signed it, they were willing to give him max term, and he wanted to stay in Boston. There's a decent chance all three of those things happen again with Gaudreau. The Nuge is the same age and would probably have similar value as Gaudreau as a UFA, and he wasn't getting anywhere close to 10 million just because the Leafs gave Tavares way too much money.

The Leafs' contracts aren't really relevant since they're so far out of whack with what other players are making.

Huh? I mean, yeah, year 3 was his best year, but his last 2 seasons have outpaced his first 2 in terms of points per game. He's still absolutely reliable defensively and doesn't generally rely on the power play to drive his production...Tkachuk has never had a robust set of physical skills, but he's smart on the ice, plays on the edge and is arguably better than Brady in most facets of the game. He's outproduced him at any rate and it's not even close at this point.

I think last year was tough following the player's only meeting, but you're looking at a top 10% point producer who doesn't play 1st line minutes generally speaking.
- rmull905

He's a good player. He's not a 10 million-plus player. He's scored more than 25 goals once, he never got to a point per game, and he's disappeared in the playoffs every time they've made it. Most people also still think Brady has more upside than Matthew.

He was a superstar three years ago, a little worse two years ago, a little worse than that last year, and a little bit worse again to start this year. That's not the trend you want to see. If he gets to 40 goals and 90 points this year, sure give him 10 million, but do you really think that's going to happen?

Like I said, that's why you trade Tkachuk. He's not taking less than 9 million, and he's not worth 9 million. The Marchand deal has nothing to do with Tavares. It has to do with the fact that he was 29 when he signed it, they were willing to give him max term, and he wanted to stay in Boston. There's a decent chance all three of those things happen again with Gaudreau. The Nuge is the same age and would probably have similar value as Gaudreau as a UFA, and he wasn't getting anywhere close to 10 million just because the Leafs gave Tavares way too much money.

The Leafs' contracts aren't really relevant since they're so far out of whack with what other players are making.
- Squeaky

Trade JG. If he has no intention of resigning here, he might be willing to go to Buffalo at the TDL to be closer to his family.

Should be a good game. Won't be easy.

Go FLAMES!!!