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Gogol
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 05.16.2017

Nov 4 @ 4:53 PM ET
Is comparing a pro hockey player to a poster in any way logical? How do you know what a poster does for a living? Maybe a poster is a policeman, firefighter, or other first responder. Or how about a health care worker who worked through the pandemic. Those are people who lay it on the line. Not a hockey player.
- MJL

God bless everyone who puts it on the line. I don’t know what people on the board do for a living so I don’t know who’s putting it up. I’ve watched Risto put it up. People who sound like experts with no credentials whether they are a bookeeper or hostage negotiator aren’t putting anything up. Putting something up would be facing off with Chuck Fletcher in person or telling Risto to his face that his game is weak. It’s only a handful of people on this board who I consider blow hard know it all’s. But what do I know I’m illogical
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 4 @ 4:57 PM ET
Yes. Assistant is coaching
- Hextall271


Crazy…
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 4 @ 4:59 PM ET
do me a favor, tonight actually watch the game!!!
- jd250


It's already been proven that even if I don't watch the game I can discern what happened better than you can. Such as when you made the statement that it made no sense for Seeler to be on the PK.

You've reduced yourself to making statements of hyperbole with no facts to support your statements. You can't make a logical argument or support your premises so you've now turned to making posts like the above.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 4 @ 5:02 PM ET
God bless everyone who puts it on the line. I don’t know what people on the board do for a living so I don’t know who’s putting it up. I’ve watched Risto put it up. People who sound like experts with no credentials whether they are a bookeeper or hostage negotiator aren’t putting anything up. Putting something up would be facing off with Chuck Fletcher in person or telling Risto to his face that his game is weak. It’s only a handful of people on this board who I consider blow hard know it all’s. But what do I know I’m illogical
- Gogol


This is just doubling down with more ridiculousness. As if you get to decide who gets to offer an opinion and who doesn't. As if they have to meet some kind of standard that you have to offer an opinion. How about you "put it on the line" and if you disagree with someone, challenge their opinion.

Do you know what the definition of hot air is? Posts on a hockey discussion board that aren't about hockey but about posters.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Nov 4 @ 5:08 PM ET
Thats because this doesnt make any sense whatsoever
- THE BLACK HAND


If you use your first on a player you control them for up to 7 years. If you trade a first for a pending UFA you have the player for 1 year. You also get to develop the player you draft. BIG difference.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 4 @ 5:11 PM ET
If you use your first on a player you control them for up to 7 years. If you trade a first for a pending UFA you have the player for 1 year. You also get to develop the play you draft. BIG difference.
- mickel25


You also don't have multiple seasons of NHL play for a drafted play to rely on. To compare the two is really just silly.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Nov 4 @ 5:12 PM ET
You also don't have multiple seasons of NHL play for a drafted play to rely on. To compare the two is really just silly.
- MJL


Agreed.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 4 @ 5:20 PM ET
Agree with you. There might be holes in his game but some of the criticism is overly harsh and relentless. Risto is a big boy and very well paid and whatever he gets comes with the territory. He seems like a guy that lays it on the line every night and that makes him better than the know-it-all keyboard jockeys on this board who put up nothing but hot air.
- Gogol


very well said
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 4 @ 5:24 PM ET
If you use your first on a player you control them for up to 7 years. If you trade a first for a pending UFA you have the player for 1 year. You also get to develop the player you draft. BIG difference.
- mickel25


well its a good thing weve had rubstov under control for 7 years. And the difference with RR and Rubstov both giving up a first, we actually have got some nhl games from RR
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 4 @ 5:29 PM ET
You also don't have multiple seasons of NHL play for a drafted play to rely on. To compare the two is really just silly.
- MJL


coming from a guy that said a month ago that if chuck didnt resign RR it would be a fireable offense, and in this post says he shouldnt resign him....after hes played 5 games lol
Your credibility is totally shot
Gogol
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 05.16.2017

Nov 4 @ 5:31 PM ET
This is just doubling down with more ridiculousness. As if you get to decide who gets to offer an opinion and who doesn't. As if they have to meet some kind of standard that you have to offer an opinion. How about you "put it on the line" and if you disagree with someone, challenge their opinion.
- MJL

Cliche-mania. How about me? I have no standing as to who offers an opinion. And there are no standards I require other than no attacks notwithstanding my keyboard jockey comment. I don’t have to put it on the line because I’m not savaging anyone and I’m not coming off as a subject matter expert. If I challenge someone I do it respectfully. I don’t challenge too much because the board is more in the loop than me. My 34 years as a season ticket holder are fast becoming a distant memory but I enjoy Bill. He’s a treasure and really good. My humble advice to all are these words from Alan Price “If knowledge hangs around your neck like pearls instead of chains you are a lucky man”.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 4 @ 5:42 PM ET
Cliche-mania. How about me? I have no standing as to who offers an opinion. And there are no standards I require other than no attacks notwithstanding my keyboard jockey comment. I don’t have to put it on the line because I’m not savaging anyone and I’m not coming off as a subject matter expert. If I challenge someone I do it respectfully. I don’t challenge too much because the board is more in the loop than me. My 34 years as a season ticket holder are fast becoming a distant memory but I enjoy Bill. He’s a treasure and really good. My humble advice to all are these words from Alan Price “If knowledge hangs around your neck like pearls instead of chains you are a lucky man”.
- Gogol


All that's just an opinion. I have an opinion on what you're coming off as. Apparently you do have standards because you said basically that someone who hasn't put it on the line like Ristolainen has, can't criticize him. You then stated that someone who is then has to say it to his face or Fletcher's face. How does that make any rational sense? Like I said, for me personally, if you don't like anything I post or disagree with anything I said, you have a forum to step up and have your say. Or you can take the approach you have here. What makes more sense on a discussion board?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 4 @ 5:42 PM ET
well its a good thing weve had rubstov under control for 7 years. And the difference with RR and Rubstov both giving up a first, we actually have got some nhl games from RR
- bradster



Or Like JOB….a few years of horrible growth in college and “b” division jr. Hockey and he doesn’t even have to sign here. At least Rubstov made it to pro hockey…JOB may not even accomplish that.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 4 @ 5:46 PM ET
Or Like JOB….a few years of horrible growth in college and “b” division jr. Hockey and he doesn’t even have to sign here. At least Rubstov made it to pro hockey…JOB may not even accomplish that.
- landros 2


its just an example yet again, that a mid 1st round doesnt guarantee anything...Sometimes taking a proven player is much better
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 4 @ 6:00 PM ET
its just an example yet again, that a mid 1st round doesnt guarantee anything...Sometimes taking a proven player is much better
- bradster



For sure.
Peter Richards
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Nov 4 @ 6:01 PM ET
its just an example yet again, that a mid 1st round doesnt guarantee anything...Sometimes taking a proven player is much better
- bradster


We have kept and acquired first round picks for years. I am fine with trading one to make a change. The team we had proved they weren’t going anywhere. No, don’t trade your first every year.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Nov 4 @ 6:08 PM ET
If you use your first on a player you control them for up to 7 years. If you trade a first for a pending UFA you have the player for 1 year. You also get to develop the player you draft. BIG difference.
- mickel25

And thats only part of it hahaha
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Nov 4 @ 6:14 PM ET
If that was actually true, the rate of shot attempts and scoring chances when he is on the ice wouldn't be what it is. For a player that is a physical monster, he is very weak on puck battles
- MJL


Is it that bad when he is on the ice? I know in the past others have made comments like this about players and you’ve pointed to it being a team game and have to account for all players on the ice. I haven’t seen every game or looked at the stats.

This is a serious question I’m not calling you out, nor do I have a strong opinion on him yet since I haven’t been able to watch all of the games to date. I have seen many polarizing opinions about his game so far and I find that interesting.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 4 @ 6:25 PM ET
Is it that bad when he is on the ice? I know in the past others have made comments like this about players and you’ve pointed to it being a team game and have to account for all players on the ice. I haven’t seen every game or looked at the stats.

This is a serious question I’m not calling you out, nor do I have a strong opinion on him yet since I haven’t been able to watch all of the games to date. I have seen many polarizing opinions about his game so far and I find that interesting.

- funmaster18


Well when he is on the ice at 5 on 5, the Flyers score 33% of the goals. He is the only Flyer defenseman who is under 50% in that metric. Sanheim is at 53%. When he is on the ice, the Flyers have recorded 33 scoring chances to 66 for the opposition. The Flyers are also on the wrong end of shot attempts, CF% is 42%. Shot share is 43%. So you tell me? To be fair, this is not all on Ristolainen. His partner hasn't been great and neither has the line he's been matched up with a lot. It's also a small sample of 97 minutes of 5 on 5 hockey. However when looking at his history, he seems to be the same mediocre player he was in Buffalo.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 4 @ 6:27 PM ET
Is it that bad when he is on the ice? I know in the past others have made comments like this about players and you’ve pointed to it being a team game and have to account for all players on the ice. I haven’t seen every game or looked at the stats.

This is a serious question I’m not calling you out, nor do I have a strong opinion on him yet since I haven’t been able to watch all of the games to date. I have seen many polarizing opinions about his game so far and I find that interesting.

- funmaster18


he might have bad advanced stats but he makes the team better...5-2-1
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Nov 4 @ 6:53 PM ET
Sullivan can’t coach as he has covid. The pens are a bio hazard right now. I guarantee it’ll get passed to the flyers. Ffs.
- Hextall271


Built-in excuse for management and coaches when the team implodes, as they are known to do
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Nov 4 @ 6:54 PM ET
Well when he is on the ice at 5 on 5, the Flyers score 33% of the goals. He is the only Flyer defenseman who is under 50% in that metric. Sanheim is at 53%. When he is on the ice, the Flyers have recorded 33 scoring chances to 66 for the opposition. The Flyers are also on the wrong end of shot attempts, CF% is 42%. Shot share is 43%. So you tell me? To be fair, this is not all on Ristolainen. His partner hasn't been great and neither has the line he's been matched up with a lot. It's also a small sample of 97 minutes of 5 on 5 hockey. However when looking at his history, he seems to be the same mediocre player he was in Buffalo.
- MJL


I guess we will need to check in at the midway point of the season and see where he’s at. He played on a bad team for many years and many have used last years flyers team as an example of how any player would look bad on that team. Granted it’s one season vs many on buffalo so not exactly apples to apples, but I have to hope he’s going to be a good player for us otherwise we wasted quality assets for one season of a mediocre player. I get to catch the game tonight so im happy about that and I’ll keep an eye on him.
Piano Man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ashburn, VA
Joined: 06.28.2019

Nov 4 @ 6:54 PM ET
I purchased ESPN+ to watch Flyers games in th DC area. The last two were blacked out. They are not on any local channel. Are they on a separate subscription service? Have I wasted my money? Its the only reason I bought this service.

Sorry if I am missing something. I am ill and frustrated with this.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Nov 4 @ 6:55 PM ET
Maybe I’m just a sucker but I don’t know how in the world the books are giving the flyers plus money whatsoever in this one. Putting a chunk down on you guys that I would love to lose
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Nov 4 @ 6:56 PM ET
he might have bad advanced stats but he makes the team better...5-2-1
- bradster

There have been more changes to the roster aside from him so I won’t attribute any improvement to just him or any other player. I think they had a bad mix last year. Regardless I hope he plays well and is a contributing factor to why the team is better when we look back on the season as a whole. I havent been able to watch enough games but I am tuning in tonight 👍🏻
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